>> Killing babies (abortion) is a horrific sin that must stop.

 

>> Killing babies (abortion) is a horrific sin that must stop.

whenever I read such pretentious hypocritical statements being made by any professing Christian now I am clearly reminded that often the same persons tend not to object or preach against marital divorce that God equally hates… 30 percent of professing evangelicals practice divorce.. such real unacceptable hypocrisy too.

 

the witchhunt against the Pentecostals backfired

 

 

 

Sarah Palin mostly dominates the national conversation by her self-identification as primarily as a REPUBLICAN,politician, a  woman, a working mom, and as a Christian. So  One wonders: WHILE SHE IS A HUMAN LIKE ALL OF US and far from perfect like the rest of us now what did Sarah Palin ever do to inspire the media, public rage and bile that exploded upon  on her selection by John McCain? What is there either in this woman’s record or resume to elicit such ferocity? Her now being a real Christian!  In History the crowd deliberately  also chose  Barabbas a known felon over Jesus Christ. “The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.” (Mat 27:21 KJV)   

 

The Devil now had missed. It all backfired. he thought that by killing Jesus Christ he had won. Instead the devil was all still  part of God’s plan for Jesus to die for the sins of mankind.. the Devil never had counted on the resurrection of Jesus Christ..

  

The Liberal media bashing of the Pentecostals has increased the Citizen’s support for Sarah Palin  and the Republicans…

  

Besides Jesus Christ many persons  have in real life  falsely, wrongfully been rejected by others, even for their personal religious beliefs. Joseph in the Bible was one of them, so was King David, the Apostles, God’s  many Prophets too.. but God alone  next was the one that placed them on a place of honor too

 

“Doug Wead The Blog    Has Sarah Palin Spoken in Tongues?  http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/has-sarah-palin-spoken-in-tongues/
 
Last night a CNN reporter asked that question of Palin’s former pastor.  The media is on the hunt and they smell a kill.  Didn’t Obama’s pastor seriously damage his cause?  Won’t Palin’s Pentecostalism hurt her?  So why does Barack Obama still seem to be in a stupor over John McCain’s pick for Vice President?  And what is the source of John McCain’s cocky smile?  Because Obama and McCain are politicians and not just your average politicians, they are among the best. The American people are getting their money’s worth in this contest.  And as politicians, they know the numbers, the numbers that the media in their supreme arrogance over anything religious, always seems to disbelieve.  John McCain .. why he is still in a race that the Democrats should have already won.  And it is why Obama is looking stunned.  According to Barna, 36% of the American public are charismatic or Pentecostal Christians.  We are talking about huge numbers, probably 80 million adults.   Consider that 24% of the American public are Catholic. 13% are African American… to be counted in this 36% you had to say that you had been “filled with the Holy Spirit” and that you believe that “the charismatic gifts, gifts such as tongues and healing, are still valid and active today.”  So the 36% Penteocstal-Charismatics are hot.  They are adult and active.   Now, here’s where it gets even more ironic.  It turns out that 33% of all Catholics are charismatic..  Most of the 33% are adults, and active.
 
 Some in the media are falling all over themselves to show that Palin is out of step with the nation, that she is a fanatic or, at least, her church is fanatical…What percentage of Americans would agree with “God Damn America” as opposed to “the charismatic gifts, gifts such as tongues and healing, are still valid and active today”? Obama was specifically attempting to peel off the Pentecostal-Charismatics from the rest of the evangelical herd.  Democrats had several meetings set up with Pentecostal leaders.  McCain had misstepped with endorsements from John Hagee and Rod Parsley, both Pentecostals.  Republican, Chuck Grassley, a Baptist, had awakened the Baptist – Pentecostal doctrinal rift by specifically targeting Pentecostal ministries in an “investigation” but exempting any Baptists.  If the Baptist-Pentecostal fracture had endured, it would have rent the last remaining base of the beleaguered presidency of George W. Bush and the melting iceberg from which the McCain team had to launch their campaign.   Now, with one decision, a VP pick, John McCain has turned it all on a dime.
 
The media rushes greedily on, thinking they have something of interest that will break McCain.  But Obama and McCain know the truth.  The more the media confidently ridicules and attacks the Pentecostal-Charismatics, the more they unite what had been a fractured Republican base and drive this massive constituency into the Republican fold.  In their ignorance, or innocence, the media will use a shotgun approach, (now here’s where their failure to do any homework on religion really hurts them) and they will end up hitting all evangelicals, not just Pentecostals.  When they attack the idea of healing for example, they make Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists and even many New Agers nervous.  Oh, yeah, there is that 33% of Catholics who will wince when media pundits laugh at Palin’s doctrines.  And when they ridicule the born again experience they blow out Baptists and fundamentalist Lutherans.
 
Thus the media will do the work that a clumsy, liberal Democrat nominee usually did in the past.  In forty years, only two Democratic nominees have won, Carter and Clinton, and both hailed from the South and understood and appealed to evangelicals.   (42% of all Americans claim to be born again Christians, which includes the Pentecostals and Charismatics.)  Barack Obama had this all figured out.  He needed the Pentecostals to balance his liberal voting record in the Senate, to make him something more than a Dukakis or Kerry.  Indeed, the head of his religious outreach is a young Assemblies of God political operator.  (Maybe the media will ask him if he has ever spoken in tongues?)
 
Sarah Palin is not qualified to be vice president because she was raised in such a church and exposed to such doctrines?  Maybe Pentecostals and Charismatics should not able allowed to operate heavy machinery or be doctors or lawyers.  Maybe 36% of the American public should be exempted from public life.
 
Obama can only pine as he watches all of his brilliant, nuanced work slip away.  It will take the most informed in the media a few days to figure this out and add a measure of balance to their reporting, to at least offer Pentecostals as much respect as they do Muslims fundamentalists but some won’t ever know what they have done. Mahatma Gandhi, once said, “He who says that religion and politics don’t mix, understands neither one.”

Do see also http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/betrayers-of-jesus-christ/

National Journal Contributer Does No Longer Trust ‘Elite Media’

* In Sarah Palin’s first big media interview, on September 11, Charlie Gibson of ABC News asked: “You said recently, in your old church, ‘Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.’ Are we fighting a holy war?” Palin responded: “You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.” Gibson pressed: “Exact words.”

Viewers had no way of knowing that, in fact, Gibson was distorting Palin’s meaning by leaving out critical context and thus making an unremarkable exhortation to prayer sound like a declaration of holy war. Palin had not said that the war was a task from God. She had urged her listeners to “pray” that it was a task from God. A September 3 Associated Press report by Gene Johnson distorted Palin’s meaning in exactly the same way.

* A front-page story in the September 12 Washington Post, by Anne Kornblut, was headlined: “Palin Links Iraq to Sept. 11 in Talk to Troops in Alaska.” This was misleading, as were the first two paragraphs. They implied that Palin had advanced the long-discredited “idea that the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein helped Al Qaeda plan the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.” In fact, Palin’s reasonably clear meaning was not that Saddam had a role in the 9/11 attacks but that (as the article backhandedly acknowledged) the troops would be fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq, which is related to the group that launched the 9/11 attacks.

* The New York Times did a huge (3,120-word) front-page story on February 21 implying that McCain had had a sexual affair with a female lobbyist while doing her political favors. But the article lacked strong evidence either that there had been a sexual affair or that McCain had crossed legal or ethical lines to do favors. Would The Times have printed the same story had the senator been Barack Obama or John Kerry? I doubt it.

I am also deeply skeptical when I see front-page headlines like “As Mayor of Wasilla, Palin Cut Own Duties, Left Trail of Bad Blood” (Washington Post, September 14), or “Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes” (New York Times, same day). Such loaded language is a badge not of a newsroom committed to impartial investigation but of an ideological echo chamber.

http://poligazette.com/2008/09/19/national-journal-contributer-does-no-longer-trust-elite-media/

 

Political Map Shows Huge Turn Toward McCain
NewsMax.com, FL – 19 Sep 2008
There was a gigantic turn toward John McCain in the two weeks immediately after the GOP convention. In large part this was due to the Sarah Palin nomination …

 

Palin attacked because she represents real change
Cumberland Times-News, MD – 19 Sep 2008
The true agents of change in this election are John McCain and Sarah Palin. There is a reason that the Democrats are attacking her viciously with lies.

 

Letter: Palin the right choice The Grand Rapids Press – MLive.com, MI –  by Wes Dekker | Wyoming My wife and I are excited about John McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin for the vice presidency. The reason? Gov. …

 

A lot has been said in recent days about what foreigners think about the campaign for president in the U.S. The general message is that all foreigners hate John McCain and especially Sarah Palin, and want Barack Obama to win. Elsevier, one of the best political magazines in the Netherlands, decided to ask female politicians – members of Parliament and cabinet ministers – what they think of Palin. The answers may surprise you.  http://poligazette.com/2008/09/19/dutch-female-politicians-on-sarah-palin/

 

Readers’ Forum: Sept. 20, 2008 Terre Haute Tribune Star, IN – 19 Sep 2008 I have to give the Republican Party credit. They’ve come up with a bullet-proof pair of candidates. John McCain is a war hero (he never misses an …

 

But it seems too often that the immoral, liberal media  persons wrongfully like to bash the persons who clearly have better values than them still too.  

(Psa 37:23 KJV)  The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

(Psa 37:24 KJV)  Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

(Rev 12:10 KJV)  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

(Rev 12:11 KJV)  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12    Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

(Rev 12:13 KJV)  And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Jesus, the Apostles themselves now were falsey often bashed too but it did not stop the Christian movement, it also  rather grew under persecutions.

 

(Psa 118:22 KJV)  The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. 23 This is the LORD’S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

  

 Because a person is not accepted by some it does not mean that God has abandoned them too..

 (2 Cor 4:9 KJV)  Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 10   Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11    For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

(2 Cor 7:6 KJV)  Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;

(Psa 35:7 KJV)  For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.

(Psa 37:14 KJV)  The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

(Psa 42:5 KJV)  Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance

 

see also

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/on-how-i-see-the-too-often-pretentious-christians/
http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/wells-still-without-water/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/as-many-as-are-led-by-the-spirit-of-god/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/as-to-why-some-have-left-their-church/  
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/the-holy-spirit/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/the-consistent-ongoing-symbols-of-the-holy-spirit-in-the-bible/
http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html
http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome
http://pbulow.tripod.com/

 

 It is a complete farcical concept that the majority of the news media are fair, balanced, honest for it seems they all do have their religious, political bias, open or hidden agendas… Liberal or conservative ones as well.. Some are  openly, “blatantly abandoning their neutrality.” and they claim to be neutral reporters of the news, facts.. http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/

even Canadian employees fired for inappropriate blogging

“Canadian employees fired for inappropriate blogging

September 2nd, 2008  by Karen Sargeant

We have all read a lot about employers monitoring employees’ computer use and whether employees can be fired for inappropriate computer use at work. What about inappropriate computer use at home? Can employees in Canada be fired for that? Two recent decisions say yes.

In both cases, one from Alberta and one from Ontario, employees were fired for blogging about their workplaces. Although the blogs were the employees’ personal blogs, the content in the blogs justified their terminations for cause.

The most recent case (Alberta Union of Provincial Employees v. Alberta) involved an administrative employee in the Alberta Public Service. Because of the nature of the material in the employee’s blog, the arbitration board hearing the employee’s grievance did not name the employee. So we’ll just refer to the blogger as the Grievor.

The Grievor started her blog when her therapist suggested that she write things down as a way to vent anger and helplessness following her father’s death. The Grievor’s three blog posts identified her by name, indicated that she lived in Edmonton, and that she worked for the Alberta provincial government. Interspersed with personal, nonwork postings were blog postings about the Grievor’s workplace, her supervisors, and coworkers.

In one of her blog entries, “Aliens Around the Coffee Table,” the Grievor made comments about the people at work. She devoted a paragraph to six of her coworkers who regularly met for coffee in a specific location. While the Grievor used aliases, the individuals were all identifiable. About a menopausal coworker, the Grievor indicated that if she “had to choose a planet that she came from, I’d say it was some dark planet, with very little oxygen . . .” About a “polite and very well dressed” male coworker, the Grievor said “I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say he’s from a planet in our solar system – Uranus.” About a new employee, the Grievor said “she’s clearly from the planet – Liar, liar pants on fire.” After making comments about three other colleagues, the Grievor said, “to any of my coworkers who didn’t appear in this accounting, be warned your turn may be coming.”

Sometime later, the Grievor posted a blog entry in which she was critical of management. She referred to her workplace as a “lunatic asylum”, her supervisor as “Nurse Ratched,” and the management as “a world like mine with imbeciles and idiot savants  . . .  running the ship.” On another occasion, she referred to her supervisor as the “Power Hungry Wench in Charge.” She repeatedly posted confidential internal memoranda and criticized the contents of the memoranda.

When confronted about her blogging, the Grievor was unapologetic and defiant, demonstrating little awareness of the hurt she had caused others. She defended her freedom of expression, refused to remove the blog posts, and threatened more postings after she was told that she had been fired. This was quite different from the conduct of another employee who had participated in the blogging (who was not fired). That employee had individually apologized to each coworker she had written about.

The arbitration board decided that the province was justified in firing her for cause.  Although it indicated that the “Grievor has a right to create personal blogs and is entitled to her opinions about the people with whom she works,” the arbitration board said that “publicly displaying those opinions may have consequences within an employment relationship.” In the Grievor’s case, the board said that “in expressing contempt for her managers, ridiculing her coworkers and denigrating administrative processes, [the Grievor] engaged in serious misconduct that irreparably severed the employment relationship, justifying discharge.”

The content of the Grievor’s blog, the public nature of the blog, and the Grievor’s unapologetic and defiant behavior outweighed her clean work record, her issues following her father’s death, and her lack of intent to insult her coworkers.

The same result occurred in Chatham-Kent (Municipality) v. National Automobile, Aerospace, Transportation and General Workers Union of Canada (CAW-Canada), Local 127 in which an employee of a nursing home was fired for the contents of her blog.  Although much of the blog site was devoted to personal matters unrelated to work, some of the posted material was insubordinate to management, derogatory and abusive toward coworkers, demeaning and disrespectful of patients, and disclosed confidential information about patients, including a photograph.

Like the Alberta case, the employee’s clean service record, family-related difficulties, and apology did not outweigh the content of the blog. The arbitrator concluded that the municipality was justified in firing the employee for cause.

So whether your employees are using work computers or home computers, if they post information in the public domain that undermines the employment relationship beyond repair, you may be justified in firing them for cause.” http://www.hrheroblogs.com/northernexposure/ 

PS: and if you like it or not and if  legal or not when you post, say, write anything about someone else and they do not like what you do many people go after you by contacting your friends, relatives employer, associates, including the bad pastors, bad  political aides, bad  police for there is no such thing as free, un-oppressed  speech in reality.. as most reformers, whistle blowers find out too  but still public exposure and exemplary prosecution of the bad guys serves everyone’s best interest

 

Too many Bad Canadian politicians, including a Mayor, Premier, a Prime Minister  already had objected to my letters to news editors with copies to them, others and have wrongfully sent the police already 6 times to my home to try to obstruct justice, to hinder my right of free speech but I am still writing..
http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/

  

 

Sins, temptations offences.. the proper attitude

 

Luke 17:1 AND [Jesus] said to His disciples, Temptations (snares, traps set to entice to sin) are sure to come, but woe to him by {or} through whom they come! 2 It would be more profitable for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were hurled into the sea than that he should cause to sin {or} be a snare to one of these little ones [lowly in rank or influence].        

Luke 17:3 Pay attention {and} always be on your guard [looking out for one another]. If your brother sins (misses the mark), solemnly tell him so {and} reprove him, and if he repents (feels sorry for having sinned), forgive him. 4 And even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and turns to you seven times and says, I repent [I am sorry], you must forgive him (give up resentment and consider the offense as recalled and annulled).

 

 Luke 17:7 Will any man of you who has a servant plowing or tending sheep say to him when he has come in from the field, Come at once and take your place at the table? 8 Will he not instead tell him, Get my supper ready and gird yourself and serve me while I eat and 9 Is he grateful {and} does he praise the servant because he did what he was ordered to do? 10 Even so on your part, when you have done everything that was assigned {and} commanded you, say, We are unworthy servants [possessing no merit, for we have not gone beyond our obligation]; we have [merely] done what was our duty to do.

 

 Luke 17:11 As He went on His way to Jerusalem, it occurred that [Jesus] was passing [along the border] between Samaria and Galilee. 12 And as He was going into one village, He was met by ten lepers, who stood at a distance. 13 And they raised up their voices and called, Jesus, Master, take pity {and} have mercy on us! 14 And when He saw them, He said to them, Go [at once] and show yourselves to the priests. And as they went, they were cured {and} made clean.  15 Then one of them, upon seeing that he was cured, turned back, recognizing {and} thanking {and} praising God with a loud voice; 16 And he fell prostrate at   17 Then Jesus asked, Were not [all] ten cleansed? Where are the nine? 18 Was there no one found to return and to recognize {and} give thanks {and} praise to God except this alien?  
   

(James 1:21 KJV)  Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23  For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24  For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

(James 1:26 KJV)  If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. 27    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. 

 

(1 Chr 16:22 KJV)  Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

 

(Prov 3:30 KJV)  Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

 

Favorite Christian based reading, resources

 

I have covered a lot of topics, but here is the links for what you the readers have now this Summer read the most on my sites..

The Bible also teaches us to avoid two extremes in the world of religious experience: Liberalism and Legalism.

 

Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin already has energized ….

 

Todd Bentley

Can anything good be spiritually …

As to the revival going on in Lakeland

Healing Evangelist Todd Bentley

Healing, Todd Bentley, Florida, Lakeland

Todd Bentley

Todd Bentley, someone has to say it to you

 

Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church

“Why Is Toronto Airport Christian …..

Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship ……

 

The Christian Missionary & Alliance Church

Christian and Missionary Alliance ….

CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE

 

Great Links Christian Literature

Great links, great Christian Literature …..

Free Bible versed wallpapers , original

God can speak to us today in many ways?

http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/hello-world/

 

Bell Sympatico

Class action suit against Bell Sympatico

My past internet download and service …

Bell, BCE, Sympatico

Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico

Basic Contract law

Justifiable Uproar

Bell’s unacceptable acts

Bell Sympatico

This next was so predictable even by me

 

Tithe

The Tithe

 

Alcoholism, Abuse, Family

Alcoholism the unacceptable sin

The too common abusive silent treatment

Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too.

Deliberate unforgiveness

Control freaks

More about Control freaks. Fears

Can a person change?

there still can be a good life after divorce

Changing yourself first, positively

my teenager smokes, does not listen……

Abstainers

ADULTERY

“Why Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper …

 

Bad Pastors, Bad others

about the False Teachers & Disobedient Christians

Bad Pastors, bad deacons, bad elders = bad

Selling the gospel for money too

Exemplary

Am I therefore become your enemy

Pastors, Elders, Shepherds, Christian

unChristian

Disturbing Trend, Sensationalized …

Parrots

You know the commandments

The false comforters

Bad Churches

hard to tell the difference

The Spin Game – Evangelicals  play.

and more false cover ups

Misled Christianity

Just by me merely observing

The ungodly, unholy wars now amongst

 

Pentecostalism

Laying of hands, Impartation, Breathe of the Spirit 

What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism 

Leaning to listen to the voice of the Lord

How to Pray for healing

Sickness & healings, Revivals

Assemblies of God Pentecostals

Assemblies of God Pentecostals

 

How many Rich People in Alberta

How many rich people in Calgary,

a 36 per cent increase

 

Israel, Jews, Messianic Jews

Israel and Palestine

Messianic Judaism today

WHO RULES YOUR RULERS ? God himself?

Messianic Jews In Israel today

 

Meditations, Devotional

Fret not!

The night watch even in time of Sorrow

Lord, if You are willing,

 

My other favorites..

The Real Thing

The danger of excessive

The false divorce incentives

Sikhism is an independent religion

An Important Truth the devil tries to keep

Shit disease

Shit disease cure, a C. diff system that

Libel on the net

Libel 2

Equality & Liberty

Rage

 

I have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are deceitful..

The Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church, Oneness Pentecostal Christianity

so who can we Judge?

 

The betrayers of Jesus Christ,

 

What does it really mean to follow Jesus Christ?

Barack Obama’s undeniable slide in the recent US election polls

 

The Top Searches

Bell BCE-SYMPATICO, Stephen Harper,  Christian and Missionary Alliance,  Sarah Palin, Full Gospel Church, Assemblies of God,  “Toronto Airport Christian fellowship” and Kambulow,  Steve Winter  ,  Pentecostal,  healing spiritually after divorce with verbally abusive ex-husband catholic,  Focus on the Family ,  Liberals are ungodly,  Who is a committed Christian?,  Revival Florida history

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/  https://anyonecare.wordpress.com   http://postedat.wordpress.com/  http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/  http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/

 

see also http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/religious-topics-of-interest/

 

He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
PSALM 91
 
The secret place is not a cave, physical fortress, or city of refuge somewhere that the Lord has set apart for us as some caring ruler may dedicate for that purpose. It is not even His palace but the secret place is none other than His Own Presence. He God, Jesus Christ, Himself is my refuge and fortress!

 

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 More great Links -View on line or download also these Christian books in PDF format
http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/a_christianity.htm                   A CHRISTIANITY THAT  REALLY WORKS
http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/freed.htm                                I am free, slave of no man or women
http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/freely.htm                               Should Christian teachings be free of charge
http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/from_tent_to_temple_.htm     FROM TENT TO TEMPLE
http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/godsword.html                       The importance of God’s word,
http://canada.today.tripod.com/d/the_bible.htm                           The Bible -Introduction               
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Equipped- Power, authority over demons, the gift of healing, and a Salvation Message…

 

Luke 9:1 THEN JESUS called together the Twelve [apostles] and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases, 2  And He sent them out to announce {and} preach the kingdom of God and to bring healing.Luke 9:6 And departing, they went about from village to village, preaching the Gospel and restoring the afflicted to health everywhere. Luke 9:11 But when the crowds learned of it, [they] followed Him; and He welcomed them and talked to them about the kingdom of God, and healed those who needed restoration to health.

 

(Isa 61:1 KJV)  The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2  To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3  To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. 4  And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

 

(Luke 4:18 KJV)  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19  To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

 

The goals, and the equipment  of our personal Ministry now in the world have not changed.

 

Most of us are familiar of a picture of an determined, persistent  explorer making his way through the jungle, equip with a water canteen, and a Machete, cutting the thick underbrush, so he can continue on the way though the jungle to reach the desired destination. Now all spirit filled Christian believers are also equipped to handle their roles, and life. Including the Knowledge of their personal forgiveness, salvation and the weapons of prayer and the refreshment of praise. The same equipment TO OVERCOME ALL OBSTACLES IN LIFE still needs to be used now too.

 

(Luke 18:1 KJV)  And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; 2  Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: 3  And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. 4  And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; 5  Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me. 6  And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith. 7  And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8  I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? 9  And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

 

(Eph 5:1 KJV)  Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2  And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3  But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4  Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5  For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6  Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7  Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8  For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9  (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10  Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12  For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

 

(1 Tim 2:1 KJV)  I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

 

(1 Tim 5:5 KJV)  Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

 

(Heb 5:7 KJV)  Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

 

and so do we continues in this teaching, guidance, instructions ourselves daily? why not? otherwise…

 

note why some have gone stray, failed in their tasks, have lost their light, savor.. why some have gone stray, (Mat 5:13 KJV)  Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14   Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15  Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

 

(2 Pet 2:1 KJV)  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.  2  And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4  For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5  And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6  And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7  And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8  (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9  The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10  But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11  Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12  But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13  And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14  Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15  Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16  But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17  These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18  For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.  19  While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22  But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

Sadly too many professing Christians have now gone astray, lost their light, savor,

 

 Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If any person wills to come after Me, let him deny himself [disown himself, forget, lose sight of himself and his own interests, refuse and give up himself] and take up his cross daily and follow Me [cleave steadfastly to Me, conform wholly to My example in living and, if need be, in dying also]. Luke 9:24 For whoever would preserve his life {and} save it will lose {and} destroy it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he will preserve {and} save it [from the penalty of eternal death]. Luke 9:25 For what does it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and ruins or forfeits (loses) himself? Luke 9:26 Because whoever is ashamed of Me and of My teachings, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when He comes in the [threefold] glory (the splendor and majesty) of Himself and of the Father and of the holy angels.

   

Luke 9:60 But Jesus said to him, Allow the dead to bury their own dead; but as for you, go {and} publish abroad throughout all regions the kingdom of God. Luke 9:62 Jesus said to him, No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back [to the things behind] is fit for the kingdom of God.

 

Luke 9:48 And told them, Whoever receives {and} accepts {and} welcomes this child in My name {and} for My sake receives {and} accepts {and} welcomes Me; and whoever so receives Me so also receives Him Who sent Me. For he who is least {and} lowliest among you all–he is [the one who is truly] great.

 

Luke 9:35 Then there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is My Son, My Chosen One {or} {My Beloved}; listen to {and} yield to {and} obey Him!

 

 

Do see also Money the root of all evil, and Selling the Gospel.

 

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/money-the-root-of-all-evil/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/selling-the-gospel-for-money-too/    

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing

 Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me,

the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder.

 
Secondly it is amazing how many so called Christian Internet Discussions sites are still control freaks, ostriches with hidden agendas and they do not post the Responses that show them truly in an unfavorable light..

 
(1Pe 1:22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
(1Pe 1:23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
(1Pe 1:24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
(1Pe 1:25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

Karl said 1 hour ago:  Looks like I cannot post anything here anymore. The owner of this blog prefers only people who share his views.  http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/to-oneness-heretics-the-meaning-of-colossians-29/

 

Mind you there is a difference between unfair censorships and regulating appropriately the inadequate spews, comments..  but never the less let the prophets speak and let the other’s judge..

 

(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

 

And those we love we talk to them, but those we do not love we tend to talk about them..

 

>>The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance yet we see comments get deleted just because the owner of this blog can’t bear the truth. Should one, then, suppose that the rest are telling the truth seeing that their comments are not deleted ?

The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance and yes you can add to that lying, twisting the Bible, truths too.. but so does the non catholic churches do thaT now too..

There is still a difference between censorship and rightfully regulating inappropriate comments.

Since the net first came out now I too have had my comments deleted on many sites, Christian – evangelical, non evangelical, catholic ones and non Christian ones – Jewish’s, Muslims, and even the general, political ones as well.. for some people are ostriches who do not want to face the negative truths, and/ or have a hidden agenda and they do not like anything that distrust their agendas. So to solve it I just same make the posts on my own sites, and someone still tried to censor some of them, including the bad cops..

No even the Catholic or the evangelical church these days is far from perfect.

I am really having a hard time trying to understand what part  Mary the mother of Jesus and others, whose husband was Joseph, has in a discussion of the trinity.. The trinity trio of the god head, new testament clearly excludes her and always has. She Mary was not present at man and earth’s creation or present during the period of old testament now too  and according to the Bible undeniably too! The catholic expounded definition of virgin Mary is clearly a false  add on to the Bible, New testament.

 

 The real truth is that the even evangelicals do now have many major faults of their own they need to deal still to do as well, and not just solely pick on the Abortionists, Catholics, Cults, gays, etc., Even the evangelicals fight amongst themselves and we see this in the common ungodly war between Pentecostals and non Pentecostals too.

Sadly Bashing others, uplifting one group or self over others is very popular on the net, in churches too and is known as bullying, done even by the Pastors, priests, Christian and non Christian persons but it is still unacceptable. I expect to the people do it in false pride to make themselves feel better, but very shortly they next again become depressed still because after all it is still an immoral act that needs to be repented off.

(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As for “It is only in this world that we can find a created being who has power to forgive the sinner, who can free him from the chains of sin and hell; and that extraordinary being is the priest, the Catholic priest. “Who can forgive sins except God? Was the question, which the Pharisees harshly asked. “Who can forgive sins?” is the question that the Pharisees of the present day also ask: and the answer is, There is a man on earth that can forgive sins, and that man is the Catholic priest. This because the priest is the ambassador of God (1 Cor 3:9).”

Now there is no way I can believe that at all too.. or that Virgin Mary is a deity, part of the trinity, speaks to people today.. Believe it or not I too have met many Mary worshippers in the Catholic church myself lately who were sexually immoral, even a lesbian cult too. Their forgiveness for me rightfully does not mean much when they basically cannot even change themselves.

Me I am not a catholic, or a protestant, but a true Believer in Jesus Christ, a Christian.

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/am-i-therefore-become-your-enemy/

>>You are not alone, I too, came dangerously close to switching faiths ; I almost threw in my lot with one of them countless born-again churches that daily seem to spring up everywhere. But there was something utterly detestable and repulsive about these sects that kept me away. Today, am glad that I stayed away because they are like a cancer. I also fail to understand how anyone can believe the so-called “speaking in tongues.” I once asked someone whether he really understood a thing when people “speak in tongues”. He answered in the negative but said that those filled with the Holy Spirit do. I then asked him, who these holy spirit-filled people are. He said that he did not know.

There was a day when I was a child and I too could not understand it

Me I speak in tongues when led by the Holy Spirit and I need too and I am one of these holy spirit filled persons.

After I pray or speak in tongues I pray for the English discernment as well so I can understand it as the Bible commands we should and I do get it as well. It is often revealing, surprising as to what I have prayed, said too. I was in a church when the pastor had finished his sermon, and I had next given a tongue prophecy.. ” My servant has preached my message and has rightfully called you to repentance, BUT you have refused to come, shall I here announce your sins to all” next dozens of people rush to the church alter for repentance..

(Eph 5:19 KJV) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

(Eph 5:20 KJV) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

(Eph 5:21 KJV) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

  http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

>Does anyone here know how the JW cultists get around the Greek here in order to maintain their blasphemous belief that Jesus Christ was an incarnation of the archangel Michael?

 

They lie, they add to the word of God, and to the  GREEK, and they claim they have used a translator’s privilege to actually reinterpret the Bible passages to get the point of view they want..

 

and it seems ACTUALLY many other people do that too anyway, they also even do pick and chose the Bible passages to suit their own point of view in many cults, sects, Christian denominations…

 

so they lie to themselves basically firstly and if you do that you are headed in a really bad direction cause you often start to believe your own lies next too.

   

2: I found these comments really appropriate on a site that discussed our need to daily read the Bible.

 

“A true conversation, of course, involves both talking and listening. Most of us do better with the talking part. I used to be so occupied doing the Lord’s work that I had no time to pay close attention to God’s voice. I preached six times a week, taped two television programs, traveled across the nation, wrote books, pastored the church, and administrated a large church staff and broadcast ministry (among other daily duties). I spent time talking to God, very often about the needs of my personal life and ministry—but not much time listening to God. I ended up in the hospital for a week and out of circulation for three months. If we don’t learn how to listen to God, we can make unwise and very costly mistakes.” 

(Col 2:9 KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

(Col 2:10 KJV) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

You are complete only in Him too.

All of our souls are in great danger of being swallowed by this formidable tide of apostasy and corruption, which is devastating the Church, churches and never mind the world because many people have submitted to the lusts of their carnal flesh, as well to the call of the devil and the world undeniably.

Two of my continual shocks in life the last 5 decades amongst many others now too now are as to how many evangelical pastors now basically are still ungodly and how come they wrongfully do not repent of this?

Secondly in the last 5 decades 50 percent of once loudly professing evangelical Christians undeniably depart by their own choice from the faith even admittedly

I am of the opinion that many people look at past Christian History to overcome the God shaped vacuum they presently do have in their life too.. and there are many reasons now even for this – them specifically not being led today by the Holy Spirit.. even that they are rather doing their own thing, or they are in deliberate willful sins, or they are pride, or they are abusing others or their spouse even by cheating, lying to and stealing from them, amongst many other reasons. I like what I had read years ago.. God has not moved! Did you?

I admit I was in shock, in anger about 3 decades ago when for the first time some one said God can talk directly to you personally, I found that initially unbelievable, even as to why I had not heard him before.. too busy talking and not quietly listening to him firstly too.

Ever notice how so many professing Christians do a lot of talking, but rarely quote any Bible verses in reality, seems they too still want to still hear themselves do all the talking and not God rather.

(Rom 6:6 KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

(1 Cor 1:23 KJV) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

(1 Cor 2:8 KJV) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

(2 Cor 13:4 KJV) For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

(Gal 2:20 KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

(Gal 5:24 KJV) And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

(Gal 6:14 KJV) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 

http://withoutwax.tv/2008/06/16/continue-the-conversation-sync-part-3/    “Responses to “Continue The Conversation (SYNC-Part 3)”  This is something that I struggle with…being a Pastor and growing up in a Pastor’s home, at times I have found myself coasting on the knowledge I have gained throughout the years. I have made a more then conscious effort as of late to make reading the Word “the” priority of my day. It is unreal what God is revealing to me….

  

It has to be for me to stay on track. I know it sounds like an over-simplification but Dwight L. Moody said it best. “The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible.”

  

 I love “and I ‘rested’ in the Lord rather then ‘doing’ quiet time. I’m trying to get my quiet time out of the homework category. I don’t want to view it as something I just need to check off my list. I’m hoping to get some time this week to just absorb the Scriptures instead of just reading them!

 

(Phi 2:5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
(Phi 2:6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(Phi 2:7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(Phi 2:8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Phi 2:9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
(Phi 2:10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(Phi 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I read in a book one time that we should pray that God would make His Word a delight to us. I prayed that for a long time. It is a delight to me now. 

 

God’s words are truly life to me right now. I have always been one to journal (and I still love it) but things are different now. because of my life circumstances I need god more than ever before. and because of that it is an ongoing “meeting” we have throughout the day instead of a set “quiet time”. I really want my health and marriage restored but without these circumstances I wouldn’t know god the way I do. I NEED to know what HE is saying to me through his word and I love it.

 

If I were honest with you, I would tell you that I cannot remember the last time I had a quiet time.
Honestly.
And if I continued to be honest with you, I would tell you that I also have not been to church in like the past month.
Are the two related. Probably.

 

I don’t have profound revelation usually when I read the Bible. But I still do it daily. Some days I don’t want to take a shower or get out of bed, but I do it because I need to. Same with the Bible. If I don’t do it I might miss out. I hate to be out of the loop. Even when I don’t get chills or cry or feel all good inside I know that the Lord is dropping wisdom right into my heart. That is why I read the Bible daily. My prayer life is much stronger in my quiet time than my Bible references. But I can tell you the stuff I read gets stuck inside and when I need it it’s there. I usually cannot tell you what book, chapter, or verse. How much does that matter? It’s the wisdom and knowledge that God imparts upon my being that matters. Even if it feels like a chore, my advice is to do it anyway. You don’t have to read a whole chapter. Just pick a psalm or a proverb. Start small and work your way up. You’ll be blessed for your efforts.
  

This is a GREAT topic of conversation!  I have only been a Christian for about 7 years and over these past 7 years, I have found that my walk with Christ has been filled with peaks and valleys. If I wasn’t at a peak, I was at a valley. It was never constant. Then I realized something.when I was reading His Word daily, I was peaking and when I wasn’t..down to the valley I would go. Now, I’m at a constant. I am in His Word every day! I have to be. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are still peaks and valleys, but they are not extreme. I am no longer on the roller coaster ride. I have fallen deeper in love with Christ and yearn, daily, to know more of God’s character. I am surprised and amazed every day by what He is showing me. Little nooks and cranny’s that I have never seen before. It’s truly incredible. It’s like the first time you realize you’re in love with someone, but better.

  

If a plant does not get water, or enough of it, it first wilts, dries up and then dies. This is so true of us! We NEED the water of His word to THRIVE and GROW.:-)

  

It is. If I’m not in the Word and dedicated time for spending time with the Lord in the morning, my day is awful. Well, I should say I am awful. I’m out of sorts, quick to find fault, easily annoyed, the list goes on. It is amazing to me how totally different I am when I am walking in the Spirit instead of racing along in my flesh. And I am so thankful that those “awful” days are far and few between. Praise Him!

  

It amazes me how comforting God’s word can be in facing life’s problems. I am facing a financial problem that will, without doubt, affect my life for many years to come. While “trying to figure it all out” yet again this morning, I started reading the Psalms and ran across a scripture that said ” My times are in God’s hands.” The worry melted away immediately! This is not a coincidence for me. God’s word has given me comfort when I needed comfort, strength when I felt weak, courage when I felt defeated, hope when all appeared lost, and joy when hurt turned into tears. God’s word reveals promises that I can count on, and wisdom when all seems confusing. The truth is that I can’t think of a reason not to spend time in God’s word! It is nourishment for my soul!”

 

>> Unfortunately, the Word is a struggle for me. I have had months where I have faced very similar things.. Firstly we al still have to eat, I still just merely read daily the Bible and have my quiet time, by faith trusting God is working on the oppressions too. Secondly I admit that I am a slave servant of Jesus Christ and most conflicts firstly tend to be caused by me trying to take my own charge, control of my life, wanting to do my own thing.. and upon surrender this to God  I continue to follow his will rather. God generally replies to me and says there will be days when you cannot seem to feel me, see me, just trust me I love you and I am still there holding your hand.     

LIke I have said often” Too many even professing Christian persons are still parrots, they have not really read the Bible for themselves, they really do not know the Bible or God for that matter still too.. they are repeating what others have told them, and too often often it is distorted truths, lies.. 

(James 1:19 KJV) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(James 1:21 KJV) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(James 1:22 KJV) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

   
5 percent of Christians only read their Bible daily, 25 percent of church Christians at the most are really born again too, 70 percent of evangelical pastors are unchristian.. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians next give up or sell their faith too. reality, (had they stayed in God’s word they would have been great saints, but it was the devil who discouraged them away..) and it is not what you know that counts but how much of the Bible that you actually practice in love too now that counts. 

 

 

Exemplary

 

 

Funny how some immoral persons, even if they call themselves Christians , have to resort to personal attacks on the writer, me, , when they cannot dispute the biblical truths, facts presented.. it is their own false alternative to avoid facing the truth about themselves firstly, the really big beam in their own eye.. and they are foolish enough to think I have to put up with it too.. if you lie to me, abuse me, I rightfully no longer talk to you for a start.. as simple as that… no matter who you think you are now, my mother, father, brother, sister, wife, my children , pastor, elder, etc..

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

 

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

NOW DUE TO MY POSTS I HAVE RECEIVED   BASHING EMAILS FROM MANY PASTORS NOW TOO IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. HEY I HAVE SEEN ALL KIND OF ABUSES IN THE GOVERNMENTS, CHURCHES, CIVIL AND PUBLIC SERVANTS,   BY THE POLICE, RCMP, ON THE NET, IN FAMILIES AS WELL THE LAST 4 DECADES TOO, but public exposure and prosecution of the abusers,   the really bad persons serves everyone’s best interest still too.

 

No! I rightfully do not accept personally any abuses quietly, and neither does God, especially not from any Pastor!

 

and I have often rightfully said how can I now expect the government leaders to be exemplary?  when the many evangelical pastors I have encountered to date were not, not even the evangelical ones..

  

(1 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop ( a ruling elder) , he desireth a good work. 2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3  Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6  Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7  Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

 

(1 Tim 3:11 KJV)  Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

 

(Gen 6:9 KJV)  These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

 

(Rom 5:12 KJV)  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 3:23 KJV)  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

 

And why am I so rightfully hard on the evangelical pastors you say? Well firstly they should know more and even behave better than the rest, and not rather be more unacceptable religious hypocrites. I have mentioned recently how  one Pastor had lied on the net, he rewrote what I had posted to him.. and next did not post my subsequent responses to him too? Did that stop me, dream on, I just posted the truth on my own many popular sites for everyone to know what he did, is like too,   but at least the same pastor showed me how immorally he really was now too by what he did. Was I disappointed yet? Yes. Was I really surprised? No? ” For there still is nothing good in man! It is not just the lay persons who need to daily repent of their sins but all pastors now as well, preaching the gospel is never an acceptable alternative to living it too. I too would rightfully rather see a sermon first lived than one merely hypocritically preached to me. The Word of God is also like a two edged sword, it applies to the preacher as well as the one being preached to.

 

(1 Tim 5:24 KJV)  Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.

 

(1 Tim 5:25 KJV)  Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

 

(Prov 9:9 KJV)  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

 

(Prov 20:7 KJV)  The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.

 

(Prov 24:16 KJV)  For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

 

(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

 

(Mark 6:20 KJV)  For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

 

(Acts 10:22 KJV)  And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

 

(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

 

(1 Tim 5:21 KJV)  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

 

(1 Pet 5:1 KJV)  The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

 

(1 Pet 5:2 KJV)  Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4  And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

 

(1 Pet 5:5 KJV)  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another (Mutual submission), and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6   Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

(1 Pet 5:7 KJV)  Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

 

(1 Pet 5:8 KJV)  Be sober ( Don’t get drunk now too) , be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9  Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

 

(1 Tim 5:22 KJV)  Lay hands suddenly on no man,

neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.

  

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly (Not drunk) , righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

(Eph 5:19 KJV)  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

(Eph 5:20 KJV)  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

(Eph 5:21 KJV)  Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

(Eph 5:22 KJV)  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

(Eph 5:23 KJV)  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

(Eph 5:24 KJV)  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

(Eph 5:25 KJV)  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

religious abuse

Churches should be sanctuaries .. not prisons

Faith should be the ultimate freedom .. not the ultimate trap

And  why should I still  be so surprised that so many Chuuch Ministers too now are objectionably alcoholics and adulterers as well?

  Just cause 70 percent of pastors admitted to having done adultery  or counselling divorce, or 30 percent evangelicals commit   divorce does still not  mean any of them are getting away with any of it next too

as I have said many times before, even since the Garden of Eden, the devil still lies about the truth and he still says to you that you will not die if you disobey God’s law.. and he does that about lusts, stealing, alcohol, adultery, divorce or whatever.. to keep the people in bondage in their wrongful sins.. but Adam and Eve still paid a price for their sins next, so do we all..

(John 4:37 KJV) And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. (Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 

 

 

http://www.spiritwatch.org/relabuse.htm

 

http://theredreader.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/intro/

http://theredreader.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/i-can-say/

The Top ten posts read by many in the last Quarter.

 Me I am a straight forward shooter, and I do  try to be transperently honest in all of my posts too, which also causes me to lose the bad friends, and to make some enemies too.

 

Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,

 

Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

The Top ten posts read by many in the last Quarter on this site https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

 

Can anything good be spiritually imparted
Why Is Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship
alcoholism the unacceptable sin
Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination
CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE
What is the general Christian sentiment
The Tithe
Trinity
Sickness & healings, Revivals
God’s triune nature

WordPress.com for sure has great religious interests, topics

(John 20:30 KJV)  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

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The top ten posts now in this site  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/ are..

  

Bell Sympatico
Basic Contract law
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church
Bell
Bell Sympatico Canada
CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE
The war against Bell
Bell Lied
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I was surprised in a comparison of my two wordpress.com  sites

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/

 

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/

 

that the religious topics still tend to be at least 2 to 5 times as Popular,

 

and clearly one of the most popular discussion topic is the ungodly religious wars between the protestant, catholics, pentecostals and Bagiptists, bretheren, etc., and the topic of bad pastors.

 

 

 

 

 

and I was surprised as to how popular the Bell Sympatico posts are too  on boith sites too.