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June 30, 2013

THE SPIRIT OF STUPOR ,

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THE SPIRIT, OF  STUPOR , IMPAIRMENT, DRUNKENNESS,
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Definition-  state of near-unconsciousness or insensibility mental numbness, a condition of greatly dulled or completely suspended sense or sensibility; A person in a stupor is considered barely conscious or stunned; or dazed and confused.;
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One has to be blind not to notice that spirit of drunkenness has taken over even north America, Asia, Europe,  amongst the young, old, male and females and is sadly also now falsely found in the Churches. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/alcohol-consumptiom-is-still-one-of-canadas-biggest-problem/
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Most Evangelical Christians believe real Christians do not drink Alcohol.. In reality too many  professing Christians, Christian leaders still do  FALSELY  drink alcohol.  Too many professing  believers are being overcome EVEN by wine or numbness, sleep.and they thus falsely are no longer effective, useful for God.
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Don’t be misled  even drunkenness is not a sin that God takes any more lighter than the sins of idolatry, prostitution adultery, fornication, lying, cheating, stealing, abusing others etc. 
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16    This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17    For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.  18    But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20    Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.  22    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,  23    Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24    And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25    If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26    Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.  (Gal. 5:19-26).
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9    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10    Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  . (1 Cor. 6:9-10, );
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1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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(Hab 2:15 KJV)  Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! 16  Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory.17  For the violence of Lebanon shall cover thee, and the spoil of beasts, which made them afraid, because of men’s blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.
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Apostle Paul was ALSO SERIOUSLY cone rend about  drunkenness: SO he also issued a clear warning against drunkenness. 
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(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21  Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
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Be filled with the Holy Spirit instead of the evil spirits..  http://kambulow.blogspot.ca/2013/06/the-possession.html
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(1 Sam 25:36 KJV)  And Abigail came to Nabal; and, behold, he held a feast in his house, like the feast of a king; and Nabal’s heart was merry within him, for he was very drunken: wherefore she told him nothing, less or more, until the morning light. 37   But it came to pass in the morning, when the wine was gone out of Nabal, and his wife had told him these things, that his heart died within him, and he became as a stone.
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(Dan 5:23 KJV)  But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified: 24  Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. 25  And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26  This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27  TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. 28  PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians. 29  Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom. 30  In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. 
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Note  drunkenness leads to  either a literal or  a real spiritual sleep next too.. “Of course natural drunkenness is also intended to be a picture of the spiritual condition that concerned Paul. A man who is drunk is robbed of all self-control. His judgment is perverted. His behavior is embarrassing and inappropriate to those around who are sober. Though awake, he cannot properly assess or relate to the realities of life around him. He becomes useless in any meaningful undertaking. He may even become a source of danger to others. His influence for good is gone. Not only may his condition be thus described, but the instrument of his stupor is powerfully addicting ehere cannot live without it. Psychologically as well he comes to need the fantasy world that alcohol helps him create. “
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(Isa 28:1 KJV)  Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine! 2  Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand. 3  The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet: 4  And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.
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Drunkenness of the spirit is like all of this but  far worse. Isaiah 28 gives us a clear picture. Verses 1-4 graphically portray the delusion of a religion without God: proud  leaders in religious trappings   presiding over the   drunken multitudes all blissfully unaware of their impending doom. This is a perfect picture of most many professing Christians too it seems. Where too many professed followers of Christ even have a form of godliness but there is no power. II Tim. 3-5. Not only is there a lack of power, but if God’s power were suddenly to be manifested, no effort would be spared to suppress it. Consider the reaction of the good orthodox, bible-believing religious folk of Jesus’ day. That is what is meant by “denying the power thereof.” ” There are sadly believers and Christian Churches today who are self satisfied, drunk with their own false self appraisal self worth, they see no reasons for themselves to repent, as  they rather falsely consider themselves as having already reached a spiritual pinnacle, they falsely do think that are clearly spiritual even above all of the other believers.. their false pride here too comes before their fall.
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Reality: The (spiritual) wine that keeps man in such a stupified condition is still the spirit of Satan expressed in their false religious doctrines and ideas. Demons have learned their craft over thousands of years of leading men astray. Thus does Babylon become “the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” Rev. 18:2.This wine fixes him up with a delusion that all is well when it is not. The delusion exists in the minds of men who embrace religious falsehoods.The outwardly Religious man does not merely lack the true  light; he also now still will hate  and despise the true light of theFull  Gopsel of Jesus Christ  light and seek at all costs to suppress and destroy it.  And not only do they drink in the devil’s falsehood itself – that would be bad enough – but the authors of that the falsehood do now also come in to live in them as well – demon spirits long schooled in the art of deception.
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(Rev 3:17   KJV)   Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.   )
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How does this drunkenness, A stupor,  religious delusion gain such a stranglehold on the these bad professing Christians now too  as a whole? The answer is simple — it is man’s rejection of the whole truth. II Thess. 2:11-12 says, “and for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” So (Rom 1:18 KJV)  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  (Rom 1:21 KJV)  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Rom 1:22 KJV)  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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Rom. 1:18-32 now fully shows the connection between the wrath of God and the state of drunkness, delusion. “Wrath” involves turning man over to the darkness he loves to reap its fearful consequences.
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Jeremiah 51 is a remarkable parallel to Rev. 17 and 18. In verse 7 we read, “Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord’s hand that made all the earth drunken.” We clearly see that although the devil brings this delusive wine, BUT the Lord sends it as the first step in judgment and destruction.
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“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but they are full of extortion and excess.” Matt. 23:25.
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Isaiah 29:9-13 ALSO NOW presents a clear picture of spiritual drunkenness: “Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:”
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This condition of drunkenness that prevails OVER SO MANY NOW prevails in many real Christians in varying degrees as well as the lost. That was why Apostle Paul exhorts believers to “be sober”?
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Isaiah 28:  portrays vividly the effect that this wine has wherever it prevails. Verses 7-8 read, “But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink,they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.”
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Not every one gives in to these demonic wines..or the spirit of sleep..
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(Jer 35:5 KJV)  And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine. 6  But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever: 7  Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers. 8  Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters; 9  Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed: 10  But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.
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(Jer 35:13 KJV)  Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD. 14  The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father’s commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me. 15  I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me. 16  Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me: 17  Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered. 18  And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you: 19  Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.
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Romans 1311 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
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So ((Col 2:8 KJV)  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  10  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:  ).
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Yes  there have been many real believers who have been confused, abused, scattered and who could certainly be characterized as having now  been lost, backslidden, out of the way. Like Lot who pitched his tent toward Sodom and barely escaped with his life they are in no position to be profitable to God in his Kingdom.
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“Out of the way.”?. Only through a steady diet of God’s anointed truth can we escape the stupor and vomit brought on by the wine. And God’s anointed truth itself will have no effect on one who refuses to  see his need and desire it from the heart. (2 Th 2:15 KJV)  Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
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For  escaping the wine always involves leaving the company, places and even the churches  where it prevails. The word is clear: “Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev. 18:4.
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If God’s real Holy Spirit power and life are not there, God is not there. Those false churches that  exist to bind up bundles of tares for the fire (Matthew 13:40). It is no place for a true born-again believer –where the Blind lead the Blind rather.. amd make them more fit for hell
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Too many even Christians are  asleep, or drunk, or both but the true Christians  are not.  . Consider the warning in Matt. 24:48-51 against carelessness and even the warnings of  Christ’s impending coming. yet Half of the sleeping virgins had no oil. They even were unaware of their lack until it was too late.
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As Paul said in I Thess. 5:5-11, “Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
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And DON’T FORGET There is still also the great final judgment even for all including the  unforgiven, unrepentant wicked persons who continued to  refuse  God’s way, even Christ’s Salvation.
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“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Rev. 21:1-8.
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June 11, 2013

For by fire and by His sword

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(Jer 9:23 KJV)  Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD. 25  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;

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Let’s be clear,  false Pride in Self still does cause many people to do wrong, sinful things, even professing Christian persons .. and it even makes them wrongfully think they are doing God’s will, serving God but in reality they are serving the devil.

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(Jer 12:6 KJV)  For even thy brethren, and the house of thy father, even they have dealt treacherously with thee; yea, they have called a multitude after thee: believe them not, though they speak fair words unto thee.

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Sadly there is a lot of  religious confusion these days even by those who now are deluded into thinking they have a direct line to the King Jesus and don’t even need The Holy Spirit to help them know, understand the truth still. . They gather such information as is available from books and personal contacts and experiences and throw it into a pot with their own ideas and desires and cook up their own private brand of religion and even falsely still do want to call it Christianity too..  They falsely draw up their own spiritual laws  in accordance with what they falsely still do believe are the King’s own instructions and desires. It is rather their deluded souls, carnal flesh, and the devil speaking through them. as in reality our world is filled with wicked spirits whose job it is to impersonate the King, present a false Jesus  and delude souls who do not from their hearts desire to submit to the authority of the King and do things His way.

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 I Cor. 13:9 Paul said, “… we prophesy in part.” There are two reasons for this. One is expressed in Prov. 4:18, “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” In other words, the revelation of truth is progressive and needs to be checked out, confirmed  by the Holy Spirit, the Bile, even others..

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Just because we have the Bible doesn’t mean we have all the truth at our disposal. The truth contained in the written word must be “opened” or revealed by Christ if we are to understand it and benefit. All the study in the world will not take the place of Christ opening the book and ministering living anointed truth suited to the time and need.

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Daniel, as great a man of God and yet  he was, was still even  told to shut up the words and seal the book till the time of the end. Daniel 12:4. The end times was the begging of Christ Ministry on earth and the the related New Testament development  and it’s Pentecost.. As only Christ has the authority to “open the book” (Rev. 5:1-5)

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(Phil 3:7 KJV)  But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8   Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9   And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10   That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

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Why is it that so many persons who preach it to others do not practice it firstly themselves?  Personal repentance included? So why is it they cannot change themselves? They are evidently are unwilling to do so. I  too have also often wondered why so many Christians, even pastors  that I have met do not continue with the Lord, and they clearly also do not love other persons.. for  sadly too many even professing Christians have still even now made their the acquisition, pursuit of money, the false love for all of the things that money can buy,  as their false idol, and one of their false goal in life, and as a result they now personally  do not really have love for God, love for his people or love for others… and this is still really unacceptable to God.
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(1 Tim 6:10 KJV)  For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
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Do you really think there is such a thing as a little bit pregnant, a little bit sin being allowed now especially for pastors? when you see even  their sins of abuses of others you clearly are still just seeing  the tip of the iceberg. It is an indication of idols in their own life that they are unwilling to give up.
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(Rom 12:1 KJV)  I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3   For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
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(Isa 1:13 KJV)  Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14  Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15  And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. 16  Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17  Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18  Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
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(Psa 119:69 KJV)  The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
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(James 4:1 KJV)  From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?2  Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4   Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5   Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
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(Micah 7:6 KJV)  For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house. 7   Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me. 8  Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the LORD shall be a light unto me.9  I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against him, until he plead my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness.10  Then she that is mine enemy shall see it, and shame shall cover her which said unto me, Where is the LORD thy God? mine eyes shall behold her: now shall she be trodden down as the mire of the streets. 36  And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. 37  He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.38  And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40  He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. 42  And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
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(Luke 12:15 KJV)  And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
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(Prov 29:23 KJV)  A man’s pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
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(Isa 66:1 KJV)  Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2  For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
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(Isa 66:4 KJV)  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
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(John 16:2 KJV)  They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3   And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
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(Mat 10:22 KJV)  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
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(Mat 24:9 KJV)  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
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(Mat 26:31 KJV)  Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
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(Mat 10:17 KJV)  But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
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(Mark 13:9 KJV)  But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
(Mark 13:13 KJV)  And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
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(John 3:20 KJV)  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
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(John 15:19 KJV)  If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
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(John 15:20 KJV)  Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.21  But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. 23  He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
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(1 John 2:9 KJV)  He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10   He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11  But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
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(1 John 4:20 KJV)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21  And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
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(Isa 66:5 KJV)  Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
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(Isa 66:6 KJV)  A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompense to his enemies.
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(Isa 66:14 KJV)  And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
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(Isa 66:15 KJV)  For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
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(Isa 66:16 KJV)  For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
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(Rom 3:12 KJV)  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.13   Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15  Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16  Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17  And the way of peace have they not known: 18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.
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(Isa 10:1 KJV)  Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed; 2  To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless! 3   And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory? 4  Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
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(Jer 5:10 KJV)  Go ye up upon her walls, and destroy; but make not a full end: take away her battlements; for they are not the LORD’S. 11 For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD. 12  They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine: 13 And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them.
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(Isa 66:17 KJV)  They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
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(Ezek 23:29 KJV)  And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms. 30  I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.
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(Zep 3:11 KJV)  In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD. 13  The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
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(Isa 66:24 KJV)  And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
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(Prov 25:4 KJV)  Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer.
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(Prov 25:5 KJV)  Take away the wicked from before the king, and his throne shall be established in righteousness.
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(Amos 5:10 KJV)  They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
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Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
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I remember once telling God how some professing Christians, people tried to physically kill me, and God replied.. but I did not let that happen, I spared your life, I protected you.. anyway you did not shed any blood.. (Heb 12:4 KJV)  Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 
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June 7, 2013

Baptized with the Holy Spirit and even filled with the Holy Spirit yet?

Filed under: Christianity — Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , — thenonconformer @ 5:49 pm
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I have been a Christian for about 50 years and I too have learned that you can not choose just the parts of the Bible, the New Testament included that you like and neglect the rest as next you will walk in darkness, led  to do so even by the Holy Spirit.
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Being filled  and also being Baptized with the Holy Spirit in the  New Testament both are not   a gradual process of the professing Christian believer solely yielding to the Holy Spirit, merely having more of the fruit of the Holy Spirit,  so that the Holy Spirit has more of the believer rather it is undeniably and clearly in the New testament an instantaneous, immediate filling and Baptism of the Holy Spirit experience. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a term used to describe a movement of the Spirit upon and/or within a believer usually   after the person is saved. While “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” We Christians have certainly not all have been empowered by the Holy Spirit yet. There are those who are “nominal ” Christians and there those who are “experienced  ” Christians ,those who have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
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Many professing Christians are still not real Christians now, these days too, because most people have never even firstly had studied, read what the Bible actually says nor have they been taught by the Holy Spirit  firstly, not even many preachers.
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The  baptism of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Holy spirit, the Anointing , Tongues, Prophets, Apostles, Miracle workers, tithing now too, the promised land, the prosperity gospel have become unarguably the most overused, overworked, misunderstood, misinterpreted, contentious terms in the news media, in the non Pentecostal and in the Non Charismatic arenas, especially in the extreme fundamental religious circles and now all even because many of these people are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God.   They do not have God’s understanding of the subject cause they do not have the Holy Spirit.. so they are none of His 
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The testimony of John the Baptist shows us that when the Lord Jesus baptizes anyone after their Salvation  with the Holy Spirit, it also next takes place at a moment in time. This was what happened even on the day of Pentecost.

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Acts 2:2-4 2 And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

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It was not a gradual process; it was not a question of yielding to the Holy Spirit already dwelling within them. It was the Holy Spirit coming upon them and filling them. This becomes clearer as we look at other passages in the Book of Acts that describe how believers were filled with the Holy Spirit. For example, when Peter preached to Cornelius and those who were with him, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message and they received the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:44-45).

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Peter recounted this event in Acts 11:15-16:

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Acts 11:15-16 15 “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning.” 16 “And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

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Peter explained that what took place was the baptism with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit fell upon them and they spoke in tongues instantaneously now as well.

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We can see this also in Acts 8:15-17. In verse 15, the apostles prayed for the Samaritan believers that they might receive the Holy Spirit. Then we read in verses 16 and 17:

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Acts 8:16-17 16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

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These persons they  were already believers, they already have had the Holy Spirit within them, but the Holy Spirit was now coming upon them to empower them.  

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Or are you one who still falsely tries to explain away these New Testament Bible truths? and really why is that now?

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While in the old Testament  isolated occurrences involved people whom the Lord specially called and empowered  by the Holy Spurt for specific roles and responsibilities But in in the  New Testament God is willing to empower all Christians who have received the lord Jesus Christ as their savior to all have the Holy Sprit’s empowerment.  I can see why some of the preacher differentiates the baptism with the Holy Spirit from being filled with the Holy Spirit  as being  supported from the Scriptures as they are very different experiences even, It is important to recognize that it is still now  God’s will for all believers to be baptized with the Spirit and also to to be continually  filled with the Holy Spirit.
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Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
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8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
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Acts 4:7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
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33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
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I still find it really now absurd that so many people are experts to speak on the Baptism, filling of the Holy Sprit when they clearly have never had such an experience it.. as Jesus had said you can tell them what they are  by their fruits, rather even  their clear  ignorance of the Holy Spirit still. 
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There sadly and not unexpectedly is much controversy and debate about the baptism with the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit especially since the devil opposes it and falsely stirs people to oppose it. .
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 Imagine this also some clearly ignorant people falsely would  try to say that because any subject is controversial, it is wrong, should be ignored, avoided, etc. especially the Baptism of the Holy Spirit where it  it seems  to be mostly opposed falsely by  the dispensationalist and the  the Baptist denominations which  still also  falsely believe  that all Christians they do receive the Holy Spirit upon conversion and they now do not need the evidence of speaking in other tongues, but yet they clearly do mostly  not manifest any empowerment of the Holy Spirit still.. . 
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Yes the Baptism of  The Holy Spirit  as per John 3:1-18  is a very controversial subject or some in the modern day church nevertheless one that keeps popping up because it is ordained by God to do so. A Christian has initially the Holy Spirit of GOD within them by faith upon conversion  if they have specially asked for it firstly, nut most have not and do not even know anything about the subject of the Holy Spirit even.. But still all Christian believer must experience an outward manifestation of the Holy Spirit ‘s empowerment   at some other point in their walk with GOD in Christ hopefully but most falsely still do not.. For we don’t know what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit market intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth the mind of the Spirit because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will Of GOD, Jude: 20 & Romans 8:26-27. , Isaiah 28:11-12 & 33:19. It  Whatever it may be we must  pray to the the Holy Spirit teach us the whole truth here too, as we are commanded to do so,  
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Yes under the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit filling scenario is different.from the Old Testament. Of course, submission to God, yielding to the working and guidance of the Holy Spirit are important issues in our lives, but being baptized with the Spirit or having the fullness of the Spirit is not merely yielding to the Holy Spirit already dwelling in the heart of the believer. It is the Holy Spirit coming upon the believer and filling him, empowering him, changing him
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 It is God’s intention for all His children to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit, continually filled with the Holy Spirit, and be led, taught and empowered by the Spirit in every aspect of their lives. Sadly, many of God’s children are not filled with the Holy Spirit. This has significant implications on their spiritual growth and their contribution to the advancement of God’s kingdom. If you have it you would know for sure, it would have changed your own personal Christian life dramatically.
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There are much too many professing Christian believers who do not pay due attention to the role and ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives. As a result, they experience almost none   the life and power of the Spirit. This significantly hinders their spiritual growth and service. This is so even   they are incapable to  participate in any Christian programs and activities.
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There are various reasons for their neglect of the ministry of the Holy Spirit, such as being ignorant of this area of truth and being over-reliant on personal capabilities, unrepentant sins,  and effort to work out their faith  and the excesses of those who over-emphasize of their inflated egos still.
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As with any position in doctrines, those who oppose  that baptism with the Holy Spirit is accompanied by tongues really do need to substantiate such a position clearly from the Scriptures but they rightfully have not been able to do so. They would rather confuse the issue deliberately it seems still proving the devil is controlling them rather still.
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To be a Christian is based on the Greek word anointed one, Christos, a person in whom  we can see the anointing of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.. do we see yours easily? or do you like bullying others too much still? doing your own thing?
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(Acts 10:38 KJV)  How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
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(1 John 3:21 KJV) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 2 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.The word “Christ” is a transliteration of the Greek word christos, meaning “the Anointed One,    Jesus was the anointed one. Jesus is the Messiah and  the transliteration of the Old Testament Hebrew word pronounced maw-shakh, meaning Anointed One, which when translated into the New Testament Greek is Christos. Matt. 3:11, “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”
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Peter told his convicted hearers, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit”

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Beyond the show of a doubt the devil himself firstly really hates any references to the Holy Spirit, the anointed ones, the idea that Christians do have now empowering to overcome the devil too…
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 and so now the devil uses any of his followers, those many still  in the fundamental religious circles too now, to now lie, twist, distort the truths.
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It’s the frequent and methodical strategy of those people not Holy spirit filled, those carnal people walking in the flesh that they do bash, recite against anyone who has evidenced the Holy Spirit anointing still too, but we all can see these false professors own false, unscriptural doctrine and practice. It’s now a charge of their “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” and their disobedience of “touch not the Lord’s anointed.”
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The New Testament scriptural presentation is that there two events, the baptism with the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit. Those who are baptised with the Holy Spirit experience being empowered, equipped by the Holy Spirit. .  Thus the “Baptism with the Holy Spirit”  is a reference to the experience when Christ baptizes us with the Holy Spirit whereas “being filled with the Spirit” describes  the holy Spirit’s prescience in our lives.. And so, when we are baptized with the Spirit, we are also filled with the Spirit but we also do have to be refilled but this is not so  with the baptism with the Holy Spirit .
This understanding of the two expressions is consistent with the scriptural presentation of the experience of the fullness of the Spirit when one is baptised with the Spirit and Paul’s injunction in Ephesians 5:18 to be filled and continue to be filled with the Holy Spirit. The injunction implies that a believer may or may not have experienced the gifts, empowerment, equipping  of the Spirit and there are those who have must take care that they continue to be filled. The original text of Ephesians 5:18 has the sense “be filled and continue to be filled”. It is meant to be a continuing reality, not just an experience at a moment in time.The fullness of the Spirit is a reality that we need to maintain if we have already been Baptized personality by the Holy Spirit. 

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The Scriptures still clearly exhorts all believers to be Baptized now and to be personally  filled with the Holy Spirit.  Ephesians 5:18: “Be filled with the Spirit”. Why would there even be a need to be filled if you had it already now?  Jesus promises us that he will Baptize us with the Holy Spirit and Paul’s exhortation in Ephesians 5:18 makes it clear that even though it is also still God’s intention for all to be filled with the Spirit, not all are filled nor Baptized, and Paul’s exhortation implies that we can do  now something about it.
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So have you personally now you been Baptized with the Holy Spirit and even filled with the Holy Spirit again?
 
see also https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed/

June 4, 2013

A true Christian, True Christianity

Filed under: Christianity — Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , , , — thenonconformer @ 7:25 am

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For a lot of people these days their too often false version of mere Christianity seems to consists of Having a blog with the word Christian and their name on it, or  going to church 3 times a years and  for some others it is going Sunday morning.. but not to any of the prayer meetings, or the Sunday night services..  and that is all it is it  seems to be for many.. then others seem to wonder why these people have gone astray and are so much in error  now too.
But my own version of true Christianity is significantly deeper, and broader as well.
 
Firstly I accepted the personally need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal savior from all of our sins as well nut I also believe in the need of Sanctification, the Baptism of the Holy spirit where one next is equipped  for God’s service, God will and plan for their life, including all of the charismatic’s gifts now too.
 
I also do believe in the need of all Christians to have daily devotionals, Bible and prayer time with God preferably  both morning and evenings, starting and ending the day with God, and where God can personally speak to us,   teach, direct us some more. Just as I believe in daily repentances, confessions to God the admission of our sins now too
I belief when the bible says the just shall live by  faith now that includes each and every person, they are to trust God to supply their needs, wants, desires, to live their life based on God words, his instructions to them, not based on falsely following after other men or women, or one’ supposed personal inclination, supposed talents.
 
I rightfully do believe the same equal rights now of all persons, of all ages too, and in voluntarily, unenforceable, mutal submissions to any Christian persons, pastors, elders.. and I do not believe in any enslavements. hierarchy pecking order etc.,,
 
I also do believe in the personal need of appropriate evangelism in love firstly, our being able to share, to explain , to teach to others the biblical the reasons for one’s Christian based faith, beliefs.
 
I also do believe in the  need of all Christians participating in both social actions and political action now too. We all do need to be really concerned, involved  personally and as a church in  helping the poor and needy people starting in our own church, neighborhood  too. I clearly believe in guiding, directing, instructing the political leaders to make the right choices, decisions, laws now too and insuring that we elect the best persons available for the job, not necessity Christian ones even.
 
Having a good time, being self centered, selfish, acquiring all the material goods, pleasure one can have is certainly not what being a true Christian now is all about too.
 
Yes I also believe that Christians can only marry another really Christians and that all Christians cannot divorce, while they temporarily can get a separation, for proper Biblical counseling mostly.
 
I rightfully and clearly now still do not believe in having the wife as the boss, head of the home, thus her having all of the say, the sole run of all things now too…
(Eph 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:27 KJV) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
I also do not believe in taking any ostrich approach when we personally eye unacceptable wrong doings towards ourselves and others, and I do believe in asking all of the bad persons to repent, to even next openly expose, rebuke them now even too for their wrong doings and repentances, even if they think they are somebody, a pastor , cop or politician , professional included.. God himself does not accept personal or human rights abuses, sins, unrepentances  quietly.
Nor do I  I automatically assume that all persons even any professing Christians now too  now are are decent, honest, the real purveyors of justices too.
Jesus said by their own fruits not their mere words you can tell what a tree is like for a good tree brings forth good fruit, and a bad tree bad fruit..
 
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 12 L33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
So I too do have a right or the duty  to be a fruit inspector 
Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
 
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Mark 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
(Mat 18:17 KJV) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
 
(Rev 2:5 KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
 
(Rev 3:1 KJV) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Christian Lies, Divorce And/or  Christian Divorce  Remarriage, (as well as adultery, fornication , Alcoholism, drugs, smoking, gays)  In the Christian Church are ALL still unacceptable. All of these mostly immoral,  lying now persons, pastors who practice, counsel divorce, even the preachers, spouses, lawyers, judges tend to first need decent, real, pastoral counseling themselves.
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Live peaceably with all men

 

 

possibleRomans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Romans 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

The Christian Zionists  are those who  are  the professing Christian Jewish Lovers, persons who clearly even deny the Gospel and the name of Jesus Christ by their false and “absolute and unconditional support” of all Jewish actions, behaviors, in their still false belief that the tribe of Judah is still Gods chosen people among all humanity, even over the Christians, the church of Jesus Christ.

“It’s a strange thing that Southern Baptists have such a ‘great love for the Jewish people.’ And stranger still that Baptist preacher John Hagee can whip up more love for Jews than he can for Jesus “  Brother Nathanael

 Christian Zionism is a bad cult movement in that its absolute and unconditional idolatry of all of “the Jews” and it falsely does not offer an excuse for its racism and discrimination among people of the world as it’s sole focus of life is to aid the Jews only, and is not supported by the New Testament. You falsely do see  no protest from any of them when Israeli’s openly kill innocent Palestinians, Arabs,   or  Christians. “Christian Zionism is a theology that supports a political regime based on apartheid and discrimination – yet millions of people in the US express their support for it” Stephen Sizer

“Only one nation, Israel, stands between … terrorist aggression and the complete decline of the United States as a democratic world power… If Israel falls, the United States can no longer remain a democracy. …Arab money is being used to control and influence major U.S. Corporations, making it economically more and more difficult for the United States to stand against world terrorism.” Mike Evans ,  ‘Israel – America’s Key to Survival’

”It must be emphasized at the outset that Christian Zionism is viewed by Middle Eastern churches as a new heresy and dangerous intrusion into the life of the people of the region. In fact, it supports political agendas which often thwart efforts of unity, justice and peace and undermines their witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the region.”  Also for thousands of years the established, traditional Christian Churches rightfully has not preacher, or supported Christian Zionism.. Nor has the New testament or the Apostles as well.

The majority of American Christian Zionists reside in the Southern United States. The majority of these Christian Zionists are at or below poverty level and uneducated in public schools and the higher educational interests of religion and are generally totally Bible ignorant, do not keno Jesus Christ personally, or the New Testament, God or the Holy Spirit still. Always at the top of the list as enemies of these “Judeo/Christians” in their hatred, death cult movement are the Arabs and Islamic peoples still.

You will often hear their hatefully remark of “the Palestinians should go live with the Arabs because God gave the land of Israel to the Jews forever”. Nothing could be farther from the truth but to investigate the truth of tribal possession is flatly snubbed by the Christian Zionists in their zeal to empower the Jews, Ungodly  false wars against the Palestinians and Arabs.

The Christian Zionists are and have been taught  to hate all those  whom the Jews hate and to help to kill who the Jews want killed.  In this false Zionistic  zeal  its can be seen how too willingly the Christian Zionists are in their readiness to help now physically kill all Arabs and Muslim people and anyone else who stands in Israel’s false attempt to reconquering now all of the promise land, to falsely rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as well. Even the Messianic Jews tend to falsely go along with this and their false aim also is  aim  to conform itself to the body of Judaism so much so that the Christian Zionist movement will become a totally acceptable form of Judaism. Their false   completeness of God is seen as the combination of “Judeo/Christian”.

The Christian Zionist Movement  today is also clearly more concerned with himself being accepted and approved by the hexarchy of Jewish traditionalists over that of Jesus Christ. Will the Christian Zionists be accepted by the hexarchy of Judaism? Never.  Can a Christian be an accepted Jew? Never.

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see also http://postedat.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/god-desires-still-peace-on-earth/

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