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May 23, 2008

Bell, BCE, Sympatico

 
 
You can get out of the Sympatcio Internet contract by cancelling your land line phone service? Or by telling the truth about Bell on the net. http://thenonconformer.tripod.com/index.html
 
  
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/buyer-beware-beware/
 
Bell Sympatico complaints
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
Bell, BCE shares plunge 12% after court ruling still needs to see how it’s customers do see Bell too…
 
Why is it that even so many managers and their subordinates too  falsely believe they will not reap what they sow now, the bad things they do included?
 
Bell is well over its glory days, and comparing to other operators around the world, it is a mediocre buy at that price. they have been caught sleeping at the wheel too often and not being fair to its customers too often too. They should do their homework first, build on solid ‘sound’ principles first and then see if somebody is willing to put money into it. For now it is simply a purchase of a skeleton out of tune with the industry and a history of burning up good Canadian talent at the expense of the shareholders, and at contempt for the bona fide user. Bell go back to your core business and do a good job and then its time will come. I am glad I own no teachers fund equity.”
 
“I see Bell Canada as an out-of-date behemoth. I recently paid my last ever bill to Bell Canada something I vowed to do in 1999 after realizing just how bad my Bell Canada abuse their land line customers. Recently, at long last, my internet provide, a cable co. began to offer phone over cable in my area. ‘
 
Bell have two very odd charges that add up to a lot of money. And at that, they are of course taxed making it worse:1) Network Access Fee. What is this? Why do we have to pay a fee to access the service that is offered as the landline. This is simply a naked cash grab.2) Touch Tone fee of $2.80. Bell Canada’s switches have been “modernized” for over 20 years where the switch circuit can equally take pulse (rotary dial) and tone dialing. Whether you operate a touchtone phone or a rotary dial, it makes absolutely no cost difference to Bell Canada. However, where about 13 M Canadian lines are paying touch-tone service, this amounts to a naked cash grab of $500M per year for Bell Canada.My Bell Canada landline was $28.69 with Bell Canada.
My Videotron cable phone is $16.95 for identical level of service.That works out to a hair under $160/year with taxes.  
 
Over 2M Canadians now have cable based phone. Most of those were former Bell Canada customers.

I will not miss Bell Canada at all. The Ontario Teachers’ Pension Fund should look very carefully at what it is that they are buying.”
 
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/05/22/bce.html?ref=rss#articlecomments
  
Undeniably  a lot of people hate do Bell, many past dissatisfied customers who also do undeniably also vent their anger at the government’s, CRTC past poor inactions here too.
  
These comments above by others even do confirm what I have openly said before too that Bell has not only abused their past land line customers, and their internet customers because Bell still has much too many unacceptable poor executives, managers who do falsely abuse their customers, and Bell does try to make any false cash grabs from the customers, or rather plain  old fashion thefts from the customers, that they can and much too often? I have also clearly said before too that Bell cannot be trusted. Bell  needs to be fully regulated. And I have also rightly said someone should tell the Ontario school teachers’ what a bad deal  buying Bell is and that is now being done too.
  
BCE now looking to the Supreme Court for help instead of looking at itself, it’s poor mangers  is another absurdity or Bell threatening to sue me, cutting of my Sympatico internet  for telling the truth about Bell to others too is another unacceptable absurdity now too!!
 
Bell has only itself to blame for all of this, not anyone else, especially not the users, customers.
 
Just a reminder. There are many basic reasons for a Corporation’s downfall. Besides having selected bad, over paid or underpaid executives, managers, employees firstly there is the management style itself., which can include  theft and/or abusing the customers too, over pricing too. Now I am not alone, just one of many in these observations too. A firms starts to abuse the customers. so it’s sales volume and profitability reduces, so to compensate they often do a false survey, generally false cause they have no intention of facing up to their own negative contributions, basic truths, and/or  the blame it on others, unions, interest rates, banks, courts even.. sound recently familiar? So what do they generally do, well they tighter their belts, get rid of some of the employees, the fish begins to rots from the head, but they tend to cut of the tail first, and it still really does not help. So the bad Corporation managers they  tighten the belt some more, they now offer less services to the customers, and increase the pricing too? Sound familiar? Look at how Bell Sympatico had responded to their competitors, their internet services this year and the significant negative feedback, reaction they got too from their customers. The fact that Bell Sympatico, and Rogers too now in the last year have been the most hated, the most negatively discussed topic, corporations on Canada’s internet is undeniable too. Just also look at Bell’s higher pricing over the competition, and it now still also explains why Bell is at war also with it’s competitors and not just the customers too, and why Bell has undeniably so many dissatisfied customers now too. So the Corporations common solution of jacking up the prices, cutting back on the customer services of course predictably next it even leads to a more dramatic economic loss, loss of their customers,  and do you really think they amongst many others executive managers would learn from any of this? Management still had to cut off it’s own head, the bad exemplary  executive managers? The Corporation next had kept on   on tightening the belt so much that they next choked themselves to death, have come to an irreversible place. All simple too. I have seen the same thing been done by computer resellers, and also by large grocery corporations, such as Super C, Provigo, some managers still never do learn from their mistakes and the whole firm  suffers for it, especially next the shareholders.
  
Bell Sympatico next as per the last letter to me, contrary to my rightful objection is falsely going to disconnect my internet services with them as of May 31, 2008 to try to shut me up, they are going to breach my contract with me, and Jim Prentice, Consumer Affairs,  did, do not help in these matters to date. I got a useless reply from the federal consumer’s office too before , even from  Dussault.Madeleine@cb-bc.gc.ca,  like I had said  they  did  not do much good in these matters too to date. How many more citizens will have to wrongfully suffer because of the detail, witnessed  Bell’s immoral management before the federal consumer affairs department and CRTC deals with it all adequately and fully now too?
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/are-you-having-problems-with-your-isp-too/
 
Capping: The Criminal Code of Canada’s section 184.2.c.i-ii DOES NOT warrant them to do packet sniffing. It allows them to ONLY ‘sample’ traffic for quality reasons. You need to remember that these rules were drafted to stop people making their own wire taps on phone technology. What the statement is saying is that: If I am a phone tech I am allowed to connect to the line to check for hums/crackels/dead-service and then do my job to fix it. With Internet traffic you may not capture a person’s traffic unless a court order is issued to do so. The subject of traffic shaping is very different…They are looking into packet headers and making changes that are not a privacy issue…
 “If you were half as good at running a company as you were at lobbying, maybe you’d have a better network,”  Quebecor executive vice-president Luc Lavoie who took a shot at the quality of Bell Canada’s cellphone service: . http://news.aol.ca/article/telecom-summit/258999/
   
 The future is wireless, some would say  and the  past way they have mismanaged their past land line, ISP services too,  clearly indicates they will do it also next with the wireless services too at the users, customers expenses…
  
Recent discussions by both Bell and Rogers on their Corporate need  to get more and more money, with even any excuse, still out of consumers, and to throttle the downloads,  only all clearly confirms the reality as to how poorly managed these same companies in reality are still.. They too now have been wrongfully over subsidized by the CRTC, the Canadian  federal governments now too… now it is rather time the citizens got the break, protection.
    
Reality- Dirty Dirty Bell Sympatico …the most abusive Corporation, firm I have dealt in Canada in my lifetime. Paul Kambulow
 
 Not acceptable, and Comments are not  needed  FOR THERE IS NO WAY TO DISPROVE THE TRUTH..

 

 

 

 

 
What you can do : Complain  for a start to CRTC »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/welcome.htm ,
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»www.premier.gouv.qc.ca/premier-m···en.shtml
Honourable Jim Prentice CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca

 

   
>From: “Prime Minister/Premier ministre” <pm@pm.gc.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:45 AM
To: “paul kambulow” 
Cc: “Jim Prentice, P.C., M.P.” <Minister.Industry@ic.gc.ca>
Subject:  Office of the Prime Minister / Cabinet du Premier ministre> Dear Mr. Kambulow:
>
> On behalf of the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, I would like to thank you for your e-mail, in which you raised an issue which falls within the portfolio of the Honourable Jim Prentice, Minister of Industry. The Prime Minister always appreciates receiving correspondence on subjects of importance to Canadians.
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> Please be assured that the statements you made have been carefully reviewed. I have taken the liberty of forwarding your e-mail to Minister Prentice, so that he too may be made aware of your comments. I am certain that the Minister will give your views every consideration. For more information on the Government’s initiatives, you may wish to visit the Prime Minister’s Web site, at www.pm.gc.ca.
>
> L.A. Lavell
> Executive Correspondence Officer
> for the Prime Minister’s Office
       
Because even many managers in Canada, the government too  are not honest, do not tell the truth, they often also do lie as to the actual reasons their product prices are going up, and/or the quality of their services are going down, thus they are still helping to put themselves out of work, out of business eventually and to be rightfully dismissed too.
 
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/this-next-was-so-predictable-even-by-me-too/
 
Clearly you cannot trust too often crooked Bell or the CRTC . Why is Bell allowed to control stuff that isn’t theirs?  ” However I do have a problem with wholesalers, customers not being able to use the full speed of a network. After all, they pay for the full speed when getting it from the phone companies. They should get the full speed.  ”  Bell’s known poor acts, actions deserve all kinds of vilification.  What a completely asinine company Bell is. I will never, ever deal with them again. Worst company I’ve ever encountered, what stupid business practices. ” Bell’s actions too often are still motivated by a desire to undermine competition  and increase their customer base seems too often as well to lose more customers.. “Bell and Rogers caused a lot of the problem themselves, with selling so called “unlimited” packages, only to find new applications use more bandwidth than they have available ot had deployed. “
 
“It is not just about the price too,   Bell can be real jerks to its customers. I used to be one until I got sick of their lack of customer service, etc., and even having 2 provides Bell and Rogers/local cable provider essentially in Ontario will NOT decrease prices. Look at the current cell-phone market as an indirect example of how low competition keeps prices high. ” ” and are they Bell and the others going to put unadvertised cap on how much we could download because basically the can to meet their advertised speeds due to their bolster, too often inadequate support structures, equipment too..” Bottom line is that when it comes to telecommunications and especially high speed internet, no one can be trusted, for  the fact is that ISP   – Cable, Telco etc – on their own will not invest in faster networks and bigger coverage areas because of the costs, and the main Corporate desire not to offer a service but a false desire  to make maximum profits with a minimum of capital investment. Services will evolve but at a slower pace until competitors are forced to invest in their own infrastrucuture.

Basically motivated by greed, increasing the profits. Bait and switch,  Misleading advertising, Unfair and Restrictive business trade practices seem to be a common thing in the Internet Service Providers  industry too, especially since generally the ISP are unregulated both by the Courts and the governments. It is a sad reality that even what is advertised is also next what the customer next consistently gets.

The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission on Thursday issued a decision ordering Canada’s big phone companies, including Bell, Telus Corp., MTS Allstream Inc., SaskTel and Bell Aliant, to offer the same internet speeds to smaller wholesale customers as they themselves sell on a retail basis.” Service speed is an important competitive attribute, with rates differing significantly by speed and speed often being a major differentiation point from a marketing standpoint,” the CRTC ruled.

Under existing CRTC regulations, the big phone companies are required to rent out their networks to smaller service providers, who then sell internet access to their own customers. The rules boost the number of competitors selling internet access to the public, and thus keep prices down and service levels up. The regulations, however, have only applied to older infrastructure based in phone companies’ centralized office buildings.

Recently, phone companies have been pushing their networks out of those buildings by putting new equipment into streetside cabinets in an effort to boost their customers’ internet speeds. Smaller internet service providers haven’t had regulated access to those cabinets, however, which means they have been limited to selling slower speeds than those offered by the big phone companies.

In Quebec, for example, Bell has been selling internet connections with download speeds around 16 megabits per second while small ISPs have topped out at less than half that. The phone companies will only be required to offer faster speeds to wholesale ISPs when they sell them on a retail basis in a given area. Smaller ISPs will therefore have to request the faster connections from the phone companies. Bell, Telus and the others have 45 days to file with the CRTC the proposed rates they intend to charge the small ISPs for faster services. The rates will have to represent the actual cost of the service, plus “a reasonable mark-up,” the regulator said.

..the CRTC launched a larger inquiry into how much control large network owners such as Bell, Telus, Rogers Communications Inc. and Shaw Communications Inc., should have over the internet connections they sell to customers.” http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/12/12/tech-crtc.html
 
 “The CRTC has had a “cosy” relationship with Bell for as long as I can remember. It is obvious it continues. Short of replacing all the Commissioners with officials elected by net users this will never change. Time for a “revolution” IMO.” ” I really wonder who we have in charge of the CRTC. I would prefer a 13 year old nerd that has the slightest clue about the new hype of the Internet, ”
 
” Net neutrality is one of the most significant “sleeper” issues that will confront the people of Canada over the next decade. Just as we have demanded regulation for our road traffic and public utilities, we will demand fair access to our data services and even to each other. 
 
“Indeed, it is important not to lose sight of how much has changed in the past year. In the fall of 2007, net neutrality was viewed as a fringe issue in Canada without much political traction. In the span of 12 months, there has been a major CRTC case, the Angus bill, a rally on Parliament Hill, a more vocal business community supporting net neutrality and a gradual shift of this issue into the political mainstream. ”  http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/542156  http://www.neutrality.ca/
  
  
 Here is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management ,  supervision  human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life,  in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too,  and elsewhere, even on the net,  for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie  , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self  regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians, corporations now as well..
 
 Telecom dinosaurs are like the Big Three auto makers… act now to avoid more future tax funded bailouts.
 
 
Do continue here  below  to often read about bad Bell.. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/tag/bell/
 
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  2. Now that Cope has taken over the blood-letting begins at BCE. It would be interesting to track if the firings to come are primarily employees nearing retirement so that the cost savings are due to not paying benefits and appropriate pensions. Those at the executive level have had enough notice to find other placements & leave with large golden parachutes and a wealth in stock. Regular managers and rank & file get the news on Fridays – so long – no time to plan. Does the Ontario Teachers’ Union Pension Fund truly want to be associated with such an image? As a teacher, I am ashamed.

    It’s one thing to cut, and yes BCE is a bemoth. However, you don’t improve customer service by destroying employee morale – or didn’t they teach that in Mr. Cope’s business school. Massive blood-lettings historically have achieved little, as they tend to be a destuctive force within an organization. It is one thing to build a lean and mean organization, but to do so you must motivate. In this instance, all Mr. Cope is accomplishing is having whoever remains ready their resumes. Once the loyalty and enthusiasm of employees disappears, so does customer loyalty, since you are not being served by motivated, but rather frightend customers. I am certainly glad our teaching pension isn’t in Ontario.

    Strategy not slaughter is needed, as well as open communications. As a customer, this tactic has given me the impetus to switch my services to an alternate carrier, as I would not want to support such an unethical approach. My condolences to BCE employees.

    Actions speak louder than words.

    Comment by Actions speak louder than words — July 14, 2008 @ 12:59 pm

  3. The wheat and the Tares.. No I do not hold much hope of real changes still there at Bell, and I have been dealing with Bell Sympatico for over 18 months, and most people there I had talked too for hours too, undeniably were crooked, liars, dishonest, abusers.. so they will not get much sympathy rightfully .. all crooked bosses exists cause the employees do even let him to exist.

    Comment by Paul Kambulow — July 14, 2008 @ 1:22 pm

  4. I am counfounded as to how the Ontario teachers have been misled to buy their bad, overpriced stock now too

    Firstly all, rather most of the executives, managers should be fired.. not the subordinates firstly.

    The Bell accounting managers were decent in my experiences but not the support managers or the executive care ones..

    Comment by thenonconformer — July 14, 2008 @ 1:26 pm

  5. You can get out of the Sympatcio Internet contract by cancelling your land line phone service? Or by telling the truth about Bell on the net.

    Comment by thenonconformer — July 18, 2008 @ 12:24 pm

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  10. This issue about the $2.80 touch tone service charges by Bell has been bugging me since it was first introduced. In-spite of numerous complaints by the public in general, CRTC hearings etc. the issue still drags on. It seems unthinkable that in such a day and age such issues are not quickly resolved. Perhaps this would need a class action lawsuit to get our money back retroactively. This would require e few communications technical experts to say who is deliberately doing the wrong thing and why. Hope this issue can be put to bed forever, other wise more and more people would switch to an alternate service, and I hope they will enter their reason for switching and someone will collect the data and throw it in their face.

    Comment by Ranvir — March 11, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

  11. Greedy Bell will never repent..Just continue to gove them bad publicity. it will costs them millions of lost revenue.. more than they had hoped to collect on touch tone services

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