Missing the point?

February 15, 2010

Hearing the word of God more effectively is always possible too

 

1 Sam 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth. 11 And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle. 12 In that day I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house: when I begin, I will also make an end. 13 For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.14 And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever

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Yes we are all to listen to God, his voice, and his word.. But it starts with reading the Bible daily.. we can find desire and time for many other activities but not time to spend with God?
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2 Cor 13:9  For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.  10  Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.11  Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. 12  Greet one another with an holy kiss.
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Many people say we should only read, hear God’s words in the Bible, even cause the rest of the time they are actually, falsely doing their own thing even… they really also cannot still hear God’s direct voice, even leading to them.

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Some people seem amazed that God can, and will now speak to his children, given the proper conditions being met, but me I am often amazed how is it that so many people cannot hear God, as to what un-confessed, un-repented of sins are obstructing their relationship with him now.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/god-speaks/

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Wrongfully the Evangelical Christian movements of today is a powerless gospel movement rather, for it still tends to have none of the rugged reality of the Word of God of the New Testament about them in reality. There is nothing about them that needs the personal application of death of Jesus Christ. The need of Dying to self now is rarely mentioned. All that is mostly required is a false religious walk, of a pious atmosphere, prayer, and devotion. This type of experience is no longer marked by the supernatural nor miraculous. This new age Christianity it did not avail itself yet of the cost of  the sufferings of God, nor is it stained with “the blood of the Lamb” (Rev 12:11 KJV)  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.  The rather new  Evangelical Christian movements, or mostly religious empire building are also clearly marked by a dearth, the visible absence of the direct mention of the word of God itself, rather indirect  reference are only mostly still made to the Bible and verses, and the actual meat content is replaced by the mere words, views of mere men.   It is also wrongfully  not marked or sealed by the Holy Spirit as being a genuine personal work, and it is no wonder then it has no visual personal evidences, sign that causes people to exclaim with awe and wonder, “That is the work of God Almighty!” The New Testament in reality is still centered about the  awesome, continual work of God in individual’s life and in the Churches. So no wonder the Evangelical Christian movements of today so often does not have the empowerment to draw men to God, Jesus Christ.

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The clear, definite. exemplary, undeniable  New Testament example of a valid personal Christian experience, life  is that of a personal, passionate commitment, devotion, following  to the Person of Jesus Christ marked by a loyalty to the word of God. Every other kind of the false Christian experience is wrongfully now detached from the Person of Jesus. Where there is no regeneration— no being personally born from above, born again into the kingdom in which Christ lives and reigns supreme through the word of God, the Bible. False Christian portrays Jesus Christ is being only  an optional pattern to follow. In the New Testament Jesus Christ is the Savior that lived  vividly and in reality long before He is the supposed mere  pattern. Christ  He is being falsely portrayed as the figurehead of a religious movement— another mere example. He is that, but He is infinitely more. He is still our personal salvation from hell itself; He is the living, embodied gospel of God!

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Jesus said, “. . . when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, . . . He will glorify Me . . .” (John 16:13-14  ).

When I committed myself to accepting the revealed truth of the New Testament, I then had receive from God also the gifts of the Holy Spirit, who then begins also interpreting to me what Jesus  said, did and is. And next he Spirit of God, Of Jesus Christ himself  now lives also in me.

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Many have heard the words of God directly

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(1 Sam 9:27 KJV)  And as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on,) but stand thou still a while, that I may show thee the word of God.

(1 Ki 12:22 KJV)  But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying,

(1 Chr 17:3 KJV)  And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,

(Mark 7:13 KJV)  Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

(Luke 3:2 KJV)   the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

(Luke 5:1 KJV)  And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God,

(Luke 8:21 KJV)  And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

(Luke 11:28 KJV)  But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

(Acts 4:31 KJV)  And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

(Acts 6:2 KJV)  Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

(Acts 6:7 KJV)  And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.

(Acts 8:14 KJV)  Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

(Acts 11:1 KJV)  And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

(Acts 12:24 KJV)  But the word of God grew and multiplied.

(Acts 13:5 KJV)  And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

(Acts 13:7 KJV)  Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.

(Acts 13:44 KJV)  And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

(Acts 13:46 KJV)  Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

(Acts 17:13 KJV)  But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.

(Acts 18:11 KJV)  And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

(Acts 19:20 KJV)  So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

(Rom 9:6 KJV)  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

(Rom 10:17 KJV)  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

(1 Cor 14:36 KJV)  What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

(2 Cor 2:17 KJV)  For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

(2 Cor 4:2 KJV)  But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

(Eph 6:17 KJV)  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

(Col 1:25 KJV)  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

(1 Th 2:13 KJV)  For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

(1 Tim 4:5 KJV)  For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

(2 Tim 2:9 KJV)  Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

(Titus 2:5 KJV)  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

(Heb 4:12 KJV)  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

(Heb 11:3 KJV)  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

(Heb 13:7 KJV)  Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

(1 Pet 1:23 KJV)  Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

(2 Pet 3:5 KJV)  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

(1 John 2:14 KJV)  I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

(Rev 1:2 KJV)  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

(Rev 1:9 KJV)  I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(Rev 6:9 KJV)  And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

(Rev 19:13 KJV)  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

(Rev 20:4 KJV)  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

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November 28, 2009

Fret not

 Psalm 37:1  A Psalm of David. Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2  For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3  Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4  Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5  Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6  And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7  Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8  Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
9  For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
10  For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11  But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
12  The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13  The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14  The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
15  Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
16  A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
17  For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
18  The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
19  They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20  But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
21  The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous showeth mercy, and giveth.
22  For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
23  The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
24  Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
25  I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
26  He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
27  Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28  For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31  The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32  The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33  The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
34  Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
35  I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36  Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
37  Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
38  But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
39  But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
40  And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

(Psa 37:29 KJV)  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
 
Negative consequences and Positive rewards are part of God’s personal management of others now too, Believe it or not! Mind you most of us, cause the devil readily whispers in our ears that this is a lie, tend to find out this truth is true  mostly the hard way, sadly. That includes the length of our life on earth. a topic often covered in the Bible now too,  for now I too have seem many really wicked, unrepentant  persons die an early, sudden, unexpected death. And I know that God provides extra life, healing to his faithful children as well.
 
(Gen 13:  KJV)  14  And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15  For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. 16  And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. 17  Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.
 
(Deu 30:20 KJV)  That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
 
(Job 12:  KJV)  9  Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? 10  In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. 11  Doth not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat? 12  With the ancient is wisdom; and in length of days understanding. 13  With him is wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding. 14  Behold, he breaketh down, and it cannot be built again: he shutteth up a man, and there can be no opening. 15  Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth. 16  With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his. 17  He leadeth counsellors away spoiled, and maketh the judges fools. 18  He looseth the bond of kings, and girdeth their loins with a girdle. 19  He leadeth princes away spoiled, and overthroweth the mighty. 20  He removeth away the speech of the trusty, and taketh away the understanding of the aged. 21  He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.  22  He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death. 23  He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them again. 24  He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way. 25  They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man.
 
(Psa 21:  KJV)  :1  To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice! 2  Thou hast given him his heart’s desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah. 3  For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head. 4  He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. 5  His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him. 6  For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance. 7  For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved. 8  Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee. 9  Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. 10  Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men. 11  For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform. 12  Therefore shalt thou make them turn their back, when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them. 13  Be thou exalted, LORD, in thine own strength: so will we sing and praise thy power.
 
(Prov 3:  KJV)  1  My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: 2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
 
(Prov 3:  KJV) 13  Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. 14  For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. 15  She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. 16  Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. 17  Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. 18  She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her. 19  The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens. 20  By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew. 21  My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion: 22  So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck. 23  Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble. 24  When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.
 
 
And who does not want to live a long life, but do stupid things and you will die sooner for sure.. 
 
(Ezra 7:23 KJV)  Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?
 
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(Deu 28:31 KJV)  Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
 
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(Deu 28:7 KJV)  The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
 
(2 Sam 7:23 KJV)  And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?
 
(Psa 52:9 KJV)  I will praise thee for ever, because thou hast done it: and I will wait on thy name; for it is good before thy saints.
 
(Psa 68:7 KJV)  O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; Selah:
 
(Psa 89:14 KJV)  Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face.
 
(Dan 10:12 KJV)  Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
 
(Rev 3:9 KJV)  Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 

It’s your choice now too..

  
(Eccl 7:17 KJV)  Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

August 26, 2008

What if I told you that most professing Christians

 

What if I told you that most professing Christians still cannot hear God’s voice and they  often livingly still do claim that God speaks to them , leads them,  how unbelievable now is that too? So what is the reason for this now too? http://pbulow.tripod.com/voice.html
 
ONE OF  THE SADDEST, MOST TRAGIC THINGS ABOUT CHRISTIANS  AND THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES TODAY IS HOW THEY MOSTLY ALL  HAVE BEEN SO EVIDENTIALLY SECULARIZED.
 
And this is evident by the too often unbiblical church approach, including the secular church organization, management   structure,  and the secularized  theology now as well even where man has falsely become  the centre of the Bible and the universe still and not God himself, The Holy Ghost has been replaced by the pastors and  their interpretation of of  Bible too.  But even the Bible itself now is not the Word of God.
 
It is understandable that so many people read the Bible and they still cannot understand it cause rather according to the Bible itself, the Bible itself  is  not the Word Of God   for  the Voice of the Lord. the Word of God, the Holy Spirit  himself is living and active, he penetrates even to the dividing of soul and spirit.., he judges the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:12
 
 
My sheep hear My voice,   and I know them,  and they follow Me.  John 10:27 and only The Holy Spirit will teach you all things. John 14:26.
 

IN FACT the many Bible scriptures themselves  that refer to the Word of God  are not at all referring to the Bible itself now too , but rather they refer to   voice of God or the voice the Lord , the voice of the living spirit of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit himself. So you can READ OR memorize the entire Bible, quoting chapter and verse, AS MANY HAVE, and it will not  only gain you nothing with God but it very likely also means you will not even know God sadly TOO.  There is a huge pitfall in Christianity thinking  that sates that the Bible alone  is the Word of God, and thinking all the commands in the Bible referencing the Word of God, refer to the Bible; when the references really mean going to God directly and listening to the Word of God speaking to you.  So If you don’t listen to the true Voice of God, you will never grow; you will never know what it really is to repent; you will never receive his changing, purifying grace; you will not find God; and you ALSO STILL will not have any reward in the Kingdom of God or Christ.  

Like many in the early church, even if you can’t read, you can be changed and purified to enter the Kingdom of Heaven as a son of God forever – by listening to God’s voice and obeying it. God’s spirit, who desires to speak and teach you outside of the Bible.  He desires to teach you individual, personal things about yourself, and how he wants you to live, how he wants you to improve, what he wants you to deny – as well as encourage you, tell you of his love for you, and open up the scriptures to you, including the mysteries. If you limit yourself to reading the Bible, you will only get crumbs beneath the table.

 

Worshipping the Bible alone is an act of idoltary.

 
Do see also http://pbulow.tripod.com/

August 13, 2008

Pastors, Elders, Shepherds, Christian Leaders, Evangelists

 
 
 
(Prov 27:23 KJV)  Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.
 http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/are-you-a-real-christian-or-a-pretender-imposter-still/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
 
PEOPLE ARE LAZY AND WANT AN OVER SIMPLIFIED RELIGION, GOSPEL, BIBLE.. AND 95 PERCENT OF THE CHRISTIANS EVEN NOW  DO NOT READ THE BIBLE FOR THEMSELVES FOR MORE THAN  5 MINUTES A DAY, SO THEY BELIEVE MOSTLY WHAT OTHERS HAD SAID ABOUT THE BIBLE. Mostly distortions, lies, heresies too..
 
One thing for sure I have observed that where there are sheep now there are also many wolves, for where there are real Christians there are also the  the pretenders amongst them now. today as well. The pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing do now show up for all kind of reasons even to seduce the sheep. They masquerade a pastors,, assistant pastors, elders, youth ministers, Bible college students now as well. But a close examination daily reveals these pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing really have not changed, they are self centered, unloving, tend to lack compassion and consideration for any others. Now sad but true.. too many false pastors, false teachers, false cults, false denominations with hidden agenda take advantage of this void and lead the professing Christian sheep astray next, helped by the devil in all of this too undeniably.
 
– One surprise too many for me  for a start was as to how crooked most Canadian evangelical pastors often are, they are mostly still sinfully human, and they do need to become real practicing Christians firstly. ..  NEXT I WONDERED WHY THE RELIGIOUS, CHURCH BOARD MEMBERS WERE SO DEAD OR SLEEPY HEADS, USELESS, FOR THEY DID NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THE BAD THINGS THEY TOO FOR CERTAINLY NOW SAW..  I next realized they had taken their positions not to make real positive changes but mostly to become more well like by others, to be more popular, to have more friends, even business contacts too, and thus if their making any of the needed changes can cause you to lose your popularity now, your friends and make a lot of enemies too, they do nothing good about it.
 
So if you want to make a big difference in life do not expect to be well liked, or very popular too. Nobody likes to be rebuked but As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (Rev 3:19 KJV)  Open rebuke is better than secret love.(Prov 27:5 KJV)  Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.  (Prov 27:6 KJV)
 
Now about the too many crooked churches who teach false doctrines and claim to be Christians, you now clearly, always for a START can tell who the false  professing Christians persons  they really are by their clear visible lack of love for others, and how quickly they can divorce the others who do not give into their pockets, or go along with their false demands now too,
 
There are two people in the Bible who are called the “Son of Perdition,” Judas and the Antichrist!! ( Some people even do think that the comming Antichrist will be the ressurected Judas).   It also seems  both are very much into money. The Bible says the Pharisees loved money and so did Judas, so they had a common affection. This is why they were able to bribe Judas to betray our Lord. The love of money, the root of all evil, the love of what money now next can buy as well, often shows us whether a person now is a real Christian, or a pretender, imposter, wolf in sheep clothing. “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!” You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. “Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. “For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity” (Acts 8:20-23).
 
(Mat 12:45 KJV)  Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
 
I practice what I preach.. All good pastor(s)  should also do home visitations, visit the flock in their homes.. be eqaully concerned about their whole good welfare of all of the flock now too according to my reading of the scriptures and the term Pastor is always plural, not singular,  meaning there are too be many pastors in any local church, and pastors have to submit to the gifted elders, who are the apostles- missionaries and prophets- appointed by  God as his spokesman – the NT Greek verb is continually present- meaning God continues to give these men ( or women – such as Junia note worthy amongst the apostles) unto the church now as well , but  sadly most pastors tend to deny the existence of these offices cause they are rebels who wrongfully refuse to submit to other’s but submission is metal- meaning reciprocal.. and also note this voluntarily, unenforceable..
 
God still opposes all Churches, leader’s still unrepentant sins, and all of their human rights abuses, and the best way to deal with it is to shout it from the housetops, call the police.. expose it to all.. I do.
 
it was interesting I had met this really crooked head elder and head deacon in a Baptist church, not just in Pentecostal churches, where elders tend to be pretentious ones too.. such as the one who was an elder and owned a bar that served alcohol of all things.. and told me if I come to his church he would call the police against me,, the same church next helped to close down, had the federal government remove their tax exempt licenses after I had exposed in writing to news editors, elected officials too  their abuses, money thefts, slanders, etc.,
 
And a  Baptist pastor I know had cheated, for he had short circuited the selection process, he had the nominating committee before any  selection submit the names to him for his prior approval of their supposedly spiritual qualifications and he elected his bad friends.. one Sunday evening as I was leaving the church and shaking hands with the pastor, he unexpectedly said to me “ this is my church and if you do not like it get out”.. shocked and surprised I said to the pastor if I have offended you let me meet you this week Tuesday night and you can bring any two witnesses you ant as well and we can discuss the matter. he agreed and I knew that he would bring the head elder and the head deacons.. as I walked into the pastor’s office on Tuesday day night, the founding church pastor said immediately to me wipe the smirk of your face.. so I immediately said.. hey pastor let us make this quick, Did you or did you not say to me this is my church and if you do not like it get out? you should have seen the shock on the deacon and elder’s face. The pastor seeing this too next said you cannot hear any charges form this man for I am a senior and if you listen to him I will resign. I said pastor if you want to resign, do so, but cut of the emotional black main and answer the question.. he resigned instead, and became a life insurance salesman rather next..
 
Living high on the hog is always still an unacceptable, unchristian thing to do too. Especially for any Pastors, evangelist.
 
“Living in Immodest Luxury    
        
We all should know that elders, apostles, prophets, pastors- teachers are basically only shepherds protecting  the sheep from the wolves, insuring they get good feed as well.. the larger the herd the more shepherds, shepherdess there are too.. and Jesus Christ is always the chief shepherd  of all of the flocks, as well as the sole owner.

 
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (Greek A-Selgia)  A-Selgia is” One living in immodest luxury. So a work of the Spirit in Luke 6 is identified by Christ as: blessed be ye poor, and living in that modest chaste lifestyle just as Christ and the Apostles did.  “For the servant is not above the master.” And one of the works of the flesh is identified and defined by Paul as: A-Selgia living in immodest luxury or wealth. –A lifestyle that Christ refused from the hand of the serpent when it was offered Him. “And He MADE Himself of no reputation.” Living a modest and humble life with little in the way of the things of this world.
 
Mark 7:21-23 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury [Christ already spoke here of all sex sins in adultery and fornication])   an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
 
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury) which they have committed. (Eprazen, To be occupied with [This is their life or daily focus – This is part of the Roman Credo “Eat drink and be merry” Paul actually quotes the phrase elsewhere.)
 
Ephesians 4:19 (Greek Interlinear) Who having cast all feelings  (Of living righteously before God) have given themselves to (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury) For (The) working of all uncleanness with greediness. (Pleonezia To have more than another [Here now we have a passage where the word greediness, covetousness, or the desire for abject wealth associated with A-Selgia])
 
1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury – [This is expressed in the Gospels over and over again by the Apostles who wanted to be wealthy and rule an earthly kingdom]) lusts, (Epithumia – One’s deep desire. The word on the negative side entails riches, the things of the world, and the desire for earthly power,) excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, (Peter here is using the words Eating drinking and being merry here with A-Selgia) and abominable idolatries:
 
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, (A-Selgia Immodest Luxury) and denying the only (Monon One) Lord, (Despoten Master) God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (This is a reference to Christ living modestly and making himself of no reputation – and denying there is only one Lord in all of the Church Jesus Christ, These deny this by  making themselves out to be kings, lords, and the rulers over this world [Kingdom Kidz] – It is astonishing here that “”The A-Selgia of those who have crept in” and their teaching of others to enter into their A-Selgia  so as to deny how Christ so walked – So encompasses the teachings of the prosperity gospel that has crept in the church today)”  http://www.alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/articles.htm
 
Most Christian professing people can be easily lied to, mislead, since they are in often in unrepentant sins and rarely read the Bible.. and at least of them 70 percent are not even born again, and most of the rest are not anointed, filled with the Holy Spirit, pastors included cause they have not made Jesus Christ as Lord of their life yet too..  they are still mostly doing their own thing and really do not know God .. sad..  70 percent of today’s pastors have admitted to committing adultery..  and what do you think the rest do as well?
 
So some people think that the solution is going back and reestablishing the New Testament church structure.. what these people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal experiences.. and they will naturally next pray, give, care for the poor people, manifest gifts, speak in tongues, prophecy and act like real anointed Christians… and not act like not more imposters, pretenders, members of a religious social club..  others..
 
Establishing the Biblical church.. following the New Testament pattern in the book of Acts.. one of my favorite topics.. it cannot be done! Not without having the people, elders, pastors in the church first filled with, Baptized the Holy Spirit, and next also helping the poor people in their own church, instead of robbing, stealing from them.. In A Biblical Church, I also do agree with note the community nature of the Church of Acts, as opposed to the Corporate churches like those run by many TV Evangelists, the Pentecostals, and the Christian Missionary Alliance included. I really do prefer the king James Bible cause it continually uses the term slaves, servants for God’s people.. the modern translations substitute the word leader.. and the often take charge, control freak, dictatorial leader contradicts this godly mutual submission for sure. Relationship Submission in the Bible unenforced, and is voluntarily with the exception of a wife submitting to a husband, which is mandatory, but even here there is mutual submission.. reminds me the devil took control and we all saw what happened next, the world went into chaos mode..  http://pbulow.tripod.com/pastors.html 
 
“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” (Jeremiah 29:11)            
  https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/?s=anointed
 
Home churches established without the sole leading of the Holy Spirit still has a lot of elders, decisions undeniably committing adultery with their flock…  and many becoming alcoholics now   still too, These facts, truths always still do remain.. there is a tendency in us all, in churches, on the net too, elsewhere to do our own thing in the flesh as opposed to being led by the Holy Spirit of God as we can often see..
 
(Gal 5:19 KJV)  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24  And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26  Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
(1 John 3:8 KJV)  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
 
As far as a good system to give to the poor.. it is already there in the book of acts.. it is giving to the poor through your local church.. even the old testament tithe insisted that 1/7 of the tithe be given to the local poor people.  We all do have a responsibility to give firstly to the poor in our own church, neighborhood through the local church, and that is why the Deacons were set to do this. If the deacons are not doing this.. that is another issue..  and yes still we have a responsibly always still to insure the moneys is not being stolen, even in churches now too. 
        
(Acts 6:1 KJV) And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. 2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables .3   Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
 
(Acts 2:45 KJV) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (Acts 4:35 KJV) And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


Galatians 6:10 (New American Standard Bible) 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.
 
Apostle Paul beyond a shadow of doubt a real Christian, who took all precautions not to give any offence, was honest, trustworthy too.. was definitely also working in helping the poor people in Rome, elsewhere, as part as his Christian Duties too now, so should all Pastors thus now too!
 
Rev George Mueller is a classical example of a faith ministry helping poor persons., and this pastor did not live high on the hog in the process too, he was not empire building, or helping himself. Mother Theresa and many others now as well.
 
In fact the whole New Testament Christian church was helping the Poor Christian persons firstly not just apostle Paul, for they will know we are Christians by how we love one another, not our mere words still too– he Paul was just a delivery boy on behalf of the Christian Church, And all pastors need to help the poor people in their church, all churches too.. Jesus Christ cared for the poor people! yes he fed them, healed them, delivered them too.
 
and all very much unlike these days where the evangelical leaders live high on the hog, and their churches especially seems to be too self centered, have falsely abdicated their duties, roles falsely in helping the poor people.. but seem too readily even these days to steal the tithe..
 
Undeniably 1/7 of the tithe was to be given directly to the local poor people, can any local evangelical, catholic church , even the cult Mormon prove in fact that they do this? The tithe itself also could not be used for paying of mortgages, nor can any person owning any tangible property- real estate , even supposedly poor person or a Christian worker received any portion of the tithe now as well… just as these same principles are applied to persons receiving social welfare from the governments too.
 
The priests themselves in the book of Malachi themselves now by God were rightfully accused of abusing, or stealing God’s tithes , and that happens too often theses days now still in the churches. I had many an evangelical pastor tell me they would kick me out of their church if I preached any of this above in their church too. I have even seen evangelical pastors often steal directly myself and reported it too.
 
Yes my main point was the Godly, Biblical pattern for giving to the poor people set forth for giving to the poor people was definitely through the church still, if the LOCAL church is not doing it, it is time to get the LOCAL church in order. And where local churches who don’t have the infrastructure to help poor people in their church should establish one.. and yes they can send money to another church they can really trust to do this too in another country to help the poor people there.. it is an still unacceptable sin how much too often now the donations are too often abused. We as Christians have to be diligent to see next also how the money is obeying spent, not just in donating it .  
 
 I had also noted in the past from a study of events and history that the most lasting efforts, contributions were those that involved the Church directly… which now includes shelters, hospital and university too and worldwide. Famous university, hospitals were originally started by Christian organizations, churches, in Canada and the US now too, both Catholic and protestant ones too.  
 
THE MAN IS THE KING OF THE HOUSE, THE WOMAN HIS DUTIFUL SUBJECT. The man is the king of the  household, and the wife is only the prime minister. There is no confusion or overlapping of authority. The will of the husband is law. He has the  only   place of honor . The arrangements of the house, the company entertained, and the service employed, all have respect to his wishes and to his convenience. The wife conducts the affairs of state for the king. She has her household and, more than  her personal allowance, and she renders a strict account of stewardship.   The wife’s personal expenditures are less, much less than the husband’s. The will of the husband is the  undisputed law; as to the wife her person, her property, her children under his sole control even to the present time are the rights secured to the husband under present English law. Like it or not but these laws were based on the Bible, which states   (Eph 5:23 KJV) ” For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”
 
and most Evangelical pastors npw too  DO need to recognize, preach  AND PRACTICE this still too.  
 
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire:
 
 (Micah 3:6 KJV)  Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7  Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin. 
 
1 Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous {and} the wrongdoers will not inherit {or} have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure {and} immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,
 
1 Cor 15:33 Do not be so deceived {and} misled! Evil companionships (communion, associations) corrupt {and} deprave good manners {and} morals {and} character.
 
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived {and} deluded {and} misled; God will not allow Himself to be sneered at (scorned, disdained, or mocked by mere pretensions or professions, or by His precepts being set aside.) [He inevitably deludes himself who attempts to delude God.] For whatever a man sows, that {and} that only is what he will reap.
 
2 Tim 3:13 But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving {and} leading astray others and being deceived {and} led astray themselves.
 
 (Acts 20:29 KJV)  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. (Acts 20:30 KJV)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. (Acts 20:31 KJV)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.(Acts 20:32 KJV)  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.(Acts 20:33 KJV)  I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. (Acts 20:34 KJV)  Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
 
(Acts 20:35 KJV)  I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent
 
(Mark 3:33 KJV)  And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34   And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35   For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
 
(Mat 25:31 KJV)  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35  For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42  For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.      
>> Were do you get your stat that 70% of Christians are really NOT Christians? Think that number is a little too high. By: TheDeeZone on August 6, 2008 at 11:00 pm
 
 Ostrich, I have at least 3 various sources.. the testimony of other pastors, my own experiences, and that of the news media who had surveyed evangelical pastors..
IF SAID THAT 70 PERCENT OF CHRISTIANS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN IN MOST CHURCHES THAT IS TRUE.. AND IF I SAID THAT 70 PERCENT OF PASTORS ARE IMMORAL, HAVE COMMITTED ADULTERY THAT IS ALSO TRUE.
I used to debate with God that I was too bad of a Christian to be a pastors till I discovered most of the pastors I even had known, knew slandered, abused, cheated, lied, stole, COMMITTED ADULTERY and tax evasions..


 Some how even amongst the Bible worshippers, Churches, most of the basic doctrines in Christianity too seem to be too often still contradicted, and that is why we have so many Christian sects, denominations now too, now even the whole issue of a women preacher seems to be still distorted when we have Junia, a women being noteworthy amongst the apostles in the book of acts, and since any reasonable persons will admit apostles or  missionaries, all elders  continue to function today, we thus have women missionaries who still do teach and preach.. but not in an American Church? and we had women in the book of Acts women being able to prophesy as well.. but we cannot have women preachers in America, even a women preacher who has her husband’s permission to do so now too?
 
Also a Christian  was also not allowed to cut her hair short as well but some how they today all can do that in the churches as well? even to wear clearly men’s clothing,  pants? even men and women now wearing jewelry, make up in the church still too.. dressed more like pagans.. contrary to the Bible too.
 
but sadly churches, Christianity today  are full of lies, distortions, absurdities.. when even many the supposedly Holy Spirit filled fundamentals rather do believe that only the devil lives today, causes miracles to happen, but also wrongfully believe it seems that that God the Holy Sprit is dead, he the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ does not heal today and cannot, and cannot distribute any spiritual gifts he wants still to whom he wants, nor does he speak in or through tongues to or by anyone, or speak at all outside of the Bible now too.. all still also clearly contradicting what the the Bible here said too.
         
Better to read the Bible for yourself, to let the Holy Spirit teach you over  mere men again, who still too often put their trust into and worship falsely other men and what other men have said cause they it really seems have not really yet gotten to the point it seems the Holy Spirit himself can teach them, speak to them.. 
 
Reminds me where in the Bible does it say that the Pastor is the head of the local church? and we are limited to one pastor elder in every church now too?
 
Here is the irony to me for I think that God is raising women preachers in the Anglican churches too, like he did in the old testament too, when the men themselves had now stopped functioning as decent elders, had stopped doing a good job.. when 70 percent of the pastors are ungodly, adulterous or gays it seems,  and many of whom live lavishly, high on the  hog, do lies, slander, gossip, cheat, lie, steal and commit tax evasions too often too..
 
 why not? why cannot God now raise anyone he wants, after all he God did even speak through a donkey or wathever..
 


 (Acts 1:8 KJV)  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
(Acts 10:38 KJV)  How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/just-by-me-merely-observing/
 
http://pbulow.tripod.com/    I have dealt with that issue on my sites in detail.. we should stop hero worshipping mere men and start rather to worshipping God alone.
Do read my sites.. about the Bad Christian Missionary Alliance church, about the bad pastors at the Toronto airport Christian fellowship church too.
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/   
 

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/quartlerly-update-christian-posts/  
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/thedeezone-175228/   
http://pbulow.tripod.com/    
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/great-links-great-christian-literature
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/on-how-i-see-the-too-often-pretentious-christians/
http://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/wells-still-without-water/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/as-many-as-are-led-by-the-spirit-of-god/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/as-to-why-some-have-left-their-church/  
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/anointed/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/the-holy-spirit/
https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/the-consistent-ongoing-symbols-of-the-holy-spirit-in-the-bible/
http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html
 
Hey I admit life has thrown me some really big surprises, things I had not expected to encounter:
  
– NOW THE CHURCHES THEMSELVES WERE, NOT BY THE LEAST, THE ONLY PLACES I ENCOUNTERED TOO MANY CROOKED PERVERSE PERSONS.
http://postedat.wordpress.com/
 
Here is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management ,  supervision  human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life,  in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too,  and elsewhere, even on the net,  for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie  , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self  regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians now as well..
 https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/fallacies/


Now I have no hidden agendas, I am not trying to get you to buy anything, I offer everything free, absolutely no money is asked for. There there is no church to join now as well, I merely try to tell the whole honest truth, positive and negative ones, even about politics, religion or what ever. http://redreadingroom.blogspot.com/2008/01/intro.html

 

June 21, 2008

Amazing

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 Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me,

the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder.
 
Secondly it is amazing how many so called Christian Internet Discussions sites are still control freaks, ostriches with hidden agendas and they do not post the Responses that show them truly in an unfavorable light..
 
(1Pe 1:22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
(1Pe 1:23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
(1Pe 1:24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
(1Pe 1:25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 
Karl said 1 hour ago:  Looks like I cannot post anything here anymore. The owner of this blog prefers only people who share his views.  http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/to-oneness-heretics-the-meaning-of-colossians-29/
 
Mind you there is a difference between unfair censorships and regulating appropriately the inadequate spews, comments..  but never the less let the prophets speak and let the other’s judge..
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
And those we love we talk to them, but those we do not love we tend to talk about them..
 
>>The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance yet we see comments get deleted just because the owner of this blog can’t bear the truth. Should one, then, suppose that the rest are telling the truth seeing that their comments are not deleted ?

The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance and yes you can add to that lying, twisting the Bible, truths too.. but so does the non catholic churches do thaT now too..

There is still a difference between censorship and rightfully regulating inappropriate comments.

Since the net first came out now I too have had my comments deleted on many sites, Christian – evangelical, non evangelical, catholic ones and non Christian ones – Jewish’s, Muslims, and even the general, political ones as well.. for some people are ostriches who do not want to face the negative truths, and/ or have a hidden agenda and they do not like anything that distrust their agendas. So to solve it I just same make the posts on my own sites, and someone still tried to censor some of them, including the bad cops..

No even the Catholic or the evangelical church these days is far from perfect.

I am really having a hard time trying to understand what part  Mary the mother of Jesus and others, whose husband was Joseph, has in a discussion of the trinity.. The trinity trio of the god head, new testament clearly excludes her and always has. She Mary was not present at man and earth’s creation or present during the period of old testament now too  and according to the Bible undeniably too! The catholic expounded definition of virgin Mary is clearly a false  add on to the Bible, New testament.
 

 The real truth is that the even evangelicals do now have many major faults of their own they need to deal still to do as well, and not just solely pick on the Abortionists, Catholics, Cults, gays, etc., Even the evangelicals fight amongst themselves and we see this in the common ungodly war between Pentecostals and non Pentecostals too.

Sadly Bashing others, uplifting one group or self over others is very popular on the net, in churches too and is known as bullying, done even by the Pastors, priests, Christian and non Christian persons but it is still unacceptable. I expect to the people do it in false pride to make themselves feel better, but very shortly they next again become depressed still because after all it is still an immoral act that needs to be repented off.

(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As for “It is only in this world that we can find a created being who has power to forgive the sinner, who can free him from the chains of sin and hell; and that extraordinary being is the priest, the Catholic priest. “Who can forgive sins except God? Was the question, which the Pharisees harshly asked. “Who can forgive sins?” is the question that the Pharisees of the present day also ask: and the answer is, There is a man on earth that can forgive sins, and that man is the Catholic priest. This because the priest is the ambassador of God (1 Cor 3:9).”

Now there is no way I can believe that at all too.. or that Virgin Mary is a deity, part of the trinity, speaks to people today.. Believe it or not I too have met many Mary worshippers in the Catholic church myself lately who were sexually immoral, even a lesbian cult too. Their forgiveness for me rightfully does not mean much when they basically cannot even change themselves.

Me I am not a catholic, or a protestant, but a true Believer in Jesus Christ, a Christian.

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/am-i-therefore-become-your-enemy/

>>You are not alone, I too, came dangerously close to switching faiths ; I almost threw in my lot with one of them countless born-again churches that daily seem to spring up everywhere. But there was something utterly detestable and repulsive about these sects that kept me away. Today, am glad that I stayed away because they are like a cancer. I also fail to understand how anyone can believe the so-called “speaking in tongues.” I once asked someone whether he really understood a thing when people “speak in tongues”. He answered in the negative but said that those filled with the Holy Spirit do. I then asked him, who these holy spirit-filled people are. He said that he did not know.

There was a day when I was a child and I too could not understand it

Me I speak in tongues when led by the Holy Spirit and I need too and I am one of these holy spirit filled persons.

After I pray or speak in tongues I pray for the English discernment as well so I can understand it as the Bible commands we should and I do get it as well. It is often revealing, surprising as to what I have prayed, said too. I was in a church when the pastor had finished his sermon, and I had next given a tongue prophecy.. ” My servant has preached my message and has rightfully called you to repentance, BUT you have refused to come, shall I here announce your sins to all” next dozens of people rush to the church alter for repentance..

(Eph 5:19 KJV) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

(Eph 5:20 KJV) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

(Eph 5:21 KJV) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

  http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

>Does anyone here know how the JW cultists get around the Greek here in order to maintain their blasphemous belief that Jesus Christ was an incarnation of the archangel Michael?
 
They lie, they add to the word of God, and to the  GREEK, and they claim they have used a translator’s privilege to actually reinterpret the Bible passages to get the point of view they want..
 
and it seems ACTUALLY many other people do that too anyway, they also even do pick and chose the Bible passages to suit their own point of view in many cults, sects, Christian denominations…
 
so they lie to themselves basically firstly and if you do that you are headed in a really bad direction cause you often start to believe your own lies next too.
   
2: I found these comments really appropriate on a site that discussed our need to daily read the Bible.
 
“A true conversation, of course, involves both talking and listening. Most of us do better with the talking part. I used to be so occupied doing the Lord’s work that I had no time to pay close attention to God’s voice. I preached six times a week, taped two television programs, traveled across the nation, wrote books, pastored the church, and administrated a large church staff and broadcast ministry (among other daily duties). I spent time talking to God, very often about the needs of my personal life and ministry—but not much time listening to God. I ended up in the hospital for a week and out of circulation for three months. If we don’t learn how to listen to God, we can make unwise and very costly mistakes.” 

(Col 2:9 KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

(Col 2:10 KJV) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

You are complete only in Him too.

All of our souls are in great danger of being swallowed by this formidable tide of apostasy and corruption, which is devastating the Church, churches and never mind the world because many people have submitted to the lusts of their carnal flesh, as well to the call of the devil and the world undeniably.

Two of my continual shocks in life the last 5 decades amongst many others now too now are as to how many evangelical pastors now basically are still ungodly and how come they wrongfully do not repent of this?

Secondly in the last 5 decades 50 percent of once loudly professing evangelical Christians undeniably depart by their own choice from the faith even admittedly

I am of the opinion that many people look at past Christian History to overcome the God shaped vacuum they presently do have in their life too.. and there are many reasons now even for this – them specifically not being led today by the Holy Spirit.. even that they are rather doing their own thing, or they are in deliberate willful sins, or they are pride, or they are abusing others or their spouse even by cheating, lying to and stealing from them, amongst many other reasons. I like what I had read years ago.. God has not moved! Did you?

I admit I was in shock, in anger about 3 decades ago when for the first time some one said God can talk directly to you personally, I found that initially unbelievable, even as to why I had not heard him before.. too busy talking and not quietly listening to him firstly too.

Ever notice how so many professing Christians do a lot of talking, but rarely quote any Bible verses in reality, seems they too still want to still hear themselves do all the talking and not God rather.

(Rom 6:6 KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

(1 Cor 1:23 KJV) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

(1 Cor 2:8 KJV) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

(2 Cor 13:4 KJV) For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

(Gal 2:20 KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

(Gal 5:24 KJV) And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

(Gal 6:14 KJV) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 

http://withoutwax.tv/2008/06/16/continue-the-conversation-sync-part-3/    “Responses to “Continue The Conversation (SYNC-Part 3)”  This is something that I struggle with…being a Pastor and growing up in a Pastor’s home, at times I have found myself coasting on the knowledge I have gained throughout the years. I have made a more then conscious effort as of late to make reading the Word “the” priority of my day. It is unreal what God is revealing to me….
  
It has to be for me to stay on track. I know it sounds like an over-simplification but Dwight L. Moody said it best. “The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible.”
  
 I love “and I ‘rested’ in the Lord rather then ‘doing’ quiet time. I’m trying to get my quiet time out of the homework category. I don’t want to view it as something I just need to check off my list. I’m hoping to get some time this week to just absorb the Scriptures instead of just reading them!
 
(Phi 2:5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
(Phi 2:6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(Phi 2:7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(Phi 2:8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Phi 2:9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
(Phi 2:10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(Phi 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I read in a book one time that we should pray that God would make His Word a delight to us. I prayed that for a long time. It is a delight to me now. 
 
God’s words are truly life to me right now. I have always been one to journal (and I still love it) but things are different now. because of my life circumstances I need god more than ever before. and because of that it is an ongoing “meeting” we have throughout the day instead of a set “quiet time”. I really want my health and marriage restored but without these circumstances I wouldn’t know god the way I do. I NEED to know what HE is saying to me through his word and I love it.
 
If I were honest with you, I would tell you that I cannot remember the last time I had a quiet time.
Honestly.
And if I continued to be honest with you, I would tell you that I also have not been to church in like the past month.
Are the two related. Probably.
 
I don’t have profound revelation usually when I read the Bible. But I still do it daily. Some days I don’t want to take a shower or get out of bed, but I do it because I need to. Same with the Bible. If I don’t do it I might miss out. I hate to be out of the loop. Even when I don’t get chills or cry or feel all good inside I know that the Lord is dropping wisdom right into my heart. That is why I read the Bible daily. My prayer life is much stronger in my quiet time than my Bible references. But I can tell you the stuff I read gets stuck inside and when I need it it’s there. I usually cannot tell you what book, chapter, or verse. How much does that matter? It’s the wisdom and knowledge that God imparts upon my being that matters. Even if it feels like a chore, my advice is to do it anyway. You don’t have to read a whole chapter. Just pick a psalm or a proverb. Start small and work your way up. You’ll be blessed for your efforts.
  
This is a GREAT topic of conversation!  I have only been a Christian for about 7 years and over these past 7 years, I have found that my walk with Christ has been filled with peaks and valleys. If I wasn’t at a peak, I was at a valley. It was never constant. Then I realized something.when I was reading His Word daily, I was peaking and when I wasn’t..down to the valley I would go. Now, I’m at a constant. I am in His Word every day! I have to be. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are still peaks and valleys, but they are not extreme. I am no longer on the roller coaster ride. I have fallen deeper in love with Christ and yearn, daily, to know more of God’s character. I am surprised and amazed every day by what He is showing me. Little nooks and cranny’s that I have never seen before. It’s truly incredible. It’s like the first time you realize you’re in love with someone, but better.
  
If a plant does not get water, or enough of it, it first wilts, dries up and then dies. This is so true of us! We NEED the water of His word to THRIVE and GROW.:-)
  
It is. If I’m not in the Word and dedicated time for spending time with the Lord in the morning, my day is awful. Well, I should say I am awful. I’m out of sorts, quick to find fault, easily annoyed, the list goes on. It is amazing to me how totally different I am when I am walking in the Spirit instead of racing along in my flesh. And I am so thankful that those “awful” days are far and few between. Praise Him!
  
It amazes me how comforting God’s word can be in facing life’s problems. I am facing a financial problem that will, without doubt, affect my life for many years to come. While “trying to figure it all out” yet again this morning, I started reading the Psalms and ran across a scripture that said ” My times are in God’s hands.” The worry melted away immediately! This is not a coincidence for me. God’s word has given me comfort when I needed comfort, strength when I felt weak, courage when I felt defeated, hope when all appeared lost, and joy when hurt turned into tears. God’s word reveals promises that I can count on, and wisdom when all seems confusing. The truth is that I can’t think of a reason not to spend time in God’s word! It is nourishment for my soul!”
 
>> Unfortunately, the Word is a struggle for me. I have had months where I have faced very similar things.. Firstly we al still have to eat, I still just merely read daily the Bible and have my quiet time, by faith trusting God is working on the oppressions too. Secondly I admit that I am a slave servant of Jesus Christ and most conflicts firstly tend to be caused by me trying to take my own charge, control of my life, wanting to do my own thing.. and upon surrender this to God  I continue to follow his will rather. God generally replies to me and says there will be days when you cannot seem to feel me, see me, just trust me I love you and I am still there holding your hand.     

LIke I have said often” Too many even professing Christian persons are still parrots, they have not really read the Bible for themselves, they really do not know the Bible or God for that matter still too.. they are repeating what others have told them, and too often often it is distorted truths, lies.. 

(James 1:19 KJV) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(James 1:21 KJV) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(James 1:22 KJV) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
   
5 percent of Christians only read their Bible daily, 25 percent of church Christians at the most are really born again too, 70 percent of evangelical pastors are unchristian.. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians next give up or sell their faith too. reality, (had they stayed in God’s word they would have been great saints, but it was the devil who discouraged them away..) and it is not what you know that counts but how much of the Bible that you actually practice in love too now that counts. 

 

 

June 19, 2008

Exemplary

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Funny how some immoral persons, even if they call themselves Christians , have to resort to personal attacks on the writer, me, , when they cannot dispute the biblical truths, facts presented.. it is their own false alternative to avoid facing the truth about themselves firstly, the really big beam in their own eye.. and they are foolish enough to think I have to put up with it too.. if you lie to me, abuse me, I rightfully no longer talk to you for a start.. as simple as that… no matter who you think you are now, my mother, father, brother, sister, wife, my children , pastor, elder, etc..
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

NOW DUE TO MY POSTS I HAVE RECEIVED   BASHING EMAILS FROM MANY PASTORS NOW TOO IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. HEY I HAVE SEEN ALL KIND OF ABUSES IN THE GOVERNMENTS, CHURCHES, CIVIL AND PUBLIC SERVANTS,   BY THE POLICE, RCMP, ON THE NET, IN FAMILIES AS WELL THE LAST 4 DECADES TOO, but public exposure and prosecution of the abusers,   the really bad persons serves everyone’s best interest still too.
 
No! I rightfully do not accept personally any abuses quietly, and neither does God, especially not from any Pastor!
 
and I have often rightfully said how can I now expect the government leaders to be exemplary?  when the many evangelical pastors I have encountered to date were not, not even the evangelical ones..
  
(1 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop ( a ruling elder) , he desireth a good work. 2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3  Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6  Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7  Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
 
(1 Tim 3:11 KJV)  Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
 
(Gen 6:9 KJV)  These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
 
(Rom 5:12 KJV)  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 3:23 KJV)  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 
And why am I so rightfully hard on the evangelical pastors you say? Well firstly they should know more and even behave better than the rest, and not rather be more unacceptable religious hypocrites. I have mentioned recently how  one Pastor had lied on the net, he rewrote what I had posted to him.. and next did not post my subsequent responses to him too? Did that stop me, dream on, I just posted the truth on my own many popular sites for everyone to know what he did, is like too,   but at least the same pastor showed me how immorally he really was now too by what he did. Was I disappointed yet? Yes. Was I really surprised? No? ” For there still is nothing good in man! It is not just the lay persons who need to daily repent of their sins but all pastors now as well, preaching the gospel is never an acceptable alternative to living it too. I too would rightfully rather see a sermon first lived than one merely hypocritically preached to me. The Word of God is also like a two edged sword, it applies to the preacher as well as the one being preached to.
 
(1 Tim 5:24 KJV)  Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
 
(1 Tim 5:25 KJV)  Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
 
(Prov 9:9 KJV)  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
 
(Prov 20:7 KJV)  The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.
 
(Prov 24:16 KJV)  For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
 
(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
(Mark 6:20 KJV)  For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
 
(Acts 10:22 KJV)  And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(1 Tim 5:21 KJV)  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
 
(1 Pet 5:1 KJV)  The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
 
(1 Pet 5:2 KJV)  Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4  And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
 
(1 Pet 5:5 KJV)  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another (Mutual submission), and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6   Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
 
(1 Pet 5:7 KJV)  Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
 
(1 Pet 5:8 KJV)  Be sober ( Don’t get drunk now too) , be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9  Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
 
(1 Tim 5:22 KJV)  Lay hands suddenly on no man,
neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.
  

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly (Not drunk) , righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 
(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
(Eph 5:19 KJV)  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
(Eph 5:20 KJV)  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
(Eph 5:21 KJV)  Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
(Eph 5:22 KJV)  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
(Eph 5:23 KJV)  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV)  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25 KJV)  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

religious abuse

Churches should be sanctuaries .. not prisons

Faith should be the ultimate freedom .. not the ultimate trap

And  why should I still  be so surprised that so many Chuuch Ministers too now are objectionably alcoholics and adulterers as well?

  Just cause 70 percent of pastors admitted to having done adultery  or counselling divorce, or 30 percent evangelicals commit   divorce does still not  mean any of them are getting away with any of it next too

as I have said many times before, even since the Garden of Eden, the devil still lies about the truth and he still says to you that you will not die if you disobey God’s law.. and he does that about lusts, stealing, alcohol, adultery, divorce or whatever.. to keep the people in bondage in their wrongful sins.. but Adam and Eve still paid a price for their sins next, so do we all..

(John 4:37 KJV) And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. (Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
 

 

 

June 17, 2008

The Top ten posts read by many in the last Quarter.

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 Me I am a straight forward shooter, and I do  try to be transperently honest in all of my posts too, which also causes me to lose the bad friends, and to make some enemies too.

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

The Top ten posts read by many in the last Quarter on this site https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/
 

WordPress.com for sure has great religious interests, topics

(John 20:30 KJV)  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

  
The top ten posts now in this site  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/ are..
  
Bell Sympatico  
Basic Contract law  
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church  
Bell  
Bell Sympatico Canada  
CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE  
The war against Bell  
Bell Lied  
About  
To Bell Sympatico  

I was surprised in a comparison of my two wordpress.com  sites

 
 

that the religious topics still tend to be at least 2 to 5 times as Popular,
 
and clearly one of the most popular discussion topic is the ungodly religious wars between the protestant, catholics, pentecostals and Bagiptists, bretheren, etc., and the topic of bad pastors.
 

 

 

 

 

and I was surprised as to how popular the Bell Sympatico posts are too  on boith sites too.
 

June 16, 2008

Am I therefore become your enemy

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One mistake by a Catholic, Pentecostal, Charismatic preacher and it is undeniable, clearly seems even on the net too that the  other professing Christians  are quick and  ready to kill the wounded, to even bury them with further lies, distortions, slanders.. and what ever! The reaction of these still rather other bad guys is quite revealing, it firstly shows they have no love themselves too. That kind of approach won’t do much for the critics’ own positive feeling of  personal self worth, self esteem too. They clearly must really hate themselves next for doing so as  well.   So what happened to the Biblical instruction of personally showing love, staying humble, meek too?
 
(Gal 6:1 KJV)  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.(Mat 5:5 KJV)  Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
 
(Mat 11:29 KJV)  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.(Mat 21:5 KJV)  Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.(1 Pet 3:4 KJV)  But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.(Heb 10:24 KJV)  And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:(Heb 12:3 KJV)  For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.(Rom 12:20 KJV)  Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.(Prov 24:17 KJV)  Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: 18  Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.(Gal 4:16 KJV)  Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

(2 Th 3:15 KJV)  Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

(James 4:4 KJV)  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

It is a sad known fact that the fundamental dispensationalist, Baptist, Brethren. etc., who seem to have been readying too many men’s commentaries should firstly now go back to reading the Bible and practice it themselves.. wrongfully seem to love to bash, hate, provoke fights, bully the Charismatic, Pentecostals, Catholics.. under the false disguise of love and truth too, and I used to be naive and think that only ungodly secular persons behave like that to fill that God shaped vacuum they they feel in their heart, lives, but it now turns out these other bad professing fundamental Christians do so as well.. they are certainly not being led by person of the Holy Sprit to do this.. but by the devil too.,, and you can tell that by their lack of real love towards the other Born again Christians..

Two sides of the same story. My local Baptist Church pastor had told me what an reliable, honorable man my father in law was, I guess he was buttering me up for a donation.. a bit just shortly after that I went to a funeral of my father in law’s relative. There the close relatives told me first hand a whole different story. My father in law was a womanizer, a boozer, had been even separated from his wife as well, and had been kick out of a Brethren church cause they considered him and his acts as being non Christian. Next I really could not see anything Christian about him now as well..  Telling lies is a sin even for a pastor now too.
 
Sow the wrong seed and you can also next reap a whirl wind , church pastors included now, and there is really no such thing as a little bit allowable sins for pastors included, no such thing as being a  little bit pregnant here too.. and it is still clearly unacceptable for any Pastors to counsel a man’s wife behind his back and without his knowledge, approval,  permission, but even this sadly an unacceptable  common occurrence in evangelical churches now too, even in the Brethren, Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostals churches now too.. and this is how the war against the perverse pastors’ of the Toronto airport church and other similar bad churches  had next escalated. When any spouse starts to talk to others about their family affairs they now are next definitely  headed towards divorce wars as well..
 
Many many pastors do wrongfully still  think that the citizens complaints about them  is all a big joke, they laugh at it, mock them too. Don’t believe me, just  do an internet search “Walter Kambulow” and see their poor  responses to his writings. Pastors falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do  threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. They seem to have nice cars, nice homes, great salaries, expensive perks, vacations too too many of them.. Pastors Jim Baker,  Jimmy Swaggart was not the first or last pervert, crook.

Do see also https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/parrots/

“Thank you for your comment. I will agree with you that it is important to live our lives as God desires for us too. One important point is simply that without reading God’s Word on a regular basis we cannot know exactly how to live.I do have on question for you: Where did you get the stat “70 percent of evangelical pastors are unChristian”? Just curious about that.”
 
I would not be so quick to deny what I have written now too. As you can read on my many many sites, I have already detailed this there and often too, that I have fellowshipped with many churches, Canada wide too, with many evangelical pastors directly for many many years in Canada, and I too first was surprised as to how many of them openly admitted to even me the names of specific pastors that had committed adultery, even the Baptist and Pentecostals ones. My first senior Christian Missionary alliance pastor John Fitzstevens, had initially had told me 4 decades ago even that that 70 percent of the Canadian, American pastors were ungodly. And I had immediately asked him what he was doing about it personally. I had provided spiritual counseling to his family too.
 
Next a major US news media had interviewed many evangelical pastors and they had reported that 70 percent of evangelical pastors had had admitted they had committed adultery, and I myself know personally much many evangelical pastors that have committed adultery. I have even directly witnessed them stealing ,money, lying gossiping, slandering too.
  

I have rarely met any Godly pastors in the last 50 years, I can count those on one hand too.A Church secretary of a Baptist major denominations in two large Canadian provinces for 3 decades told me firsthand that most of her pastors commit tax evasions, and so does she as well. I myself had witnessed a brethren head church elder reading pornography at an airport, I had witnessed another pastor committing adultery too. I had a witness, backed up with a police report that an evangelical pastor had punched me, physically assaulted me, with no provocation too, and the same thing had happened to my own brother on another occasion and he too had called the police and reported the matter.

But none of this should be a surprise because my first initial shock about 3 decades ago was the unacceptable fact that the undeniable majority of evangelical pastors do, had counseled divorce, and I wanted to know why? and I next had solely rightfully concluded they were basically sex maniacs, and that is why they kept also their divorce options open.

The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems  and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also preach.

I have posted these facts for the last decade too to all of Canada’s 1000 major politicians, and major news editors, on the net too.

I have had a deputy Minister, the second in command of the province of Alberta tell me face to face how crooked the evangelical pastors in Alberta were, a fact known by many of his colleagues too.

None of the politicians, persons, major news media have ever contradicted back to me on any of this, but you are the first pastor, person to do this too in decades, and I wonder why?

Now since you do really know your Bible you know that the Bible already says says that adultery is God’s punishment to those at whom he is upset at.. and I can think of many bad things that pastors do that upset God… this adultery is all so common and where have you been?

I was next shocked as to how many of them are alcoholics now too.

I have helped to remove many, many bad evangelical church pastors, founding pastors too, for their unrepentant immoralities as well in Canada in the last many years too.

When I do deal with a still unrepentant pastor I also do get a clear vision of their additional major sins, and you should see next their pale faces, holy terror, their shakes and trembling, even that of their spouses when I personally do start to reveal what I do know about them, their unrepentant immoral acts, and they the pastor really do they know that they are reaping what they have sowed.. still most of them, 90 percent do not repent, rather they tend to leave town instead. I do also tell them you will have wished you had listened to me and repented , for next it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God as well.. I can never overcome the fact that most of them think that they cannot be rebuked, corrected, and falsely think that God had overlooked their unacceptable sins because time has passed as well and he did not.

I have helped to remove the federal tax exempt charter of a really bad evangelical church now as well and it closed as a result too

I was sitting in a significant church where the pastor was putting on a show.. so I prayed and asked God as to what he had thought of this pastor, and he had replied that he has the same ability to sin that your brother has. My brother has written two books now that are posted on the net about bad pastors and their sins.

and you would be shocked as to how many Pastors do not pray one hour a day or read their Bible one hour a day.. for they all of persons should be the first ones to do this too.

 Further  comments not needed for one cannot deny the truth.
 

 

Parrots

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Too many even professing Christian persons  are still parrots, they have not really read the Bible for themselves, they really do not know the Bible or God for that matter still too.. they are repeating what others have told them, and too often often it is distorted truths,  lies..
 
(James 1:19 KJV)  Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20  For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
 
(James 1:21 KJV)  Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
 
(James 1:22 KJV)  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
 
>>how can a Christian be possessed by a demon if the Holy Spirit resides there? it HAS to be one or the other but NEVER both.

The answer is simple, it lies in a person’s continual free will, he chooses God’s way or the devil.. any time too..
 
The Bible’s  King Saul is a great example of this too.
 
I know for sure once professing Christians who now are demon possessed, the evil spirit from their father next descended upon them, for they had allowed it to occur too..  or they had been seduced to do so…
 
5 percent of Christians only read their Bible daily, 25 percent of church Christians at the most are really born again too, 70 percent of evangelical pastors are unchristian.. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians next give up or sell their faith too… reality
 
Now face it.
 
We all need to start with the premises that there are false prophets but also true prophets, for throwing out the dirty baby with the wash water is absurd too.. all of us are basically still ignorant of the Holy Spirit and his works,
 
for we have our essays too often on the devil ,,
 
Too many commentaries, critics  expect all prophets to be perfect, which they were not, even the great old testament prophet that was Moses was a sinner, and sinned seriously
 
Jesus alone is perfect not us.. God still uses sinners for prophets today
 
(Mat 19:21 KJV)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
(Mark 10:21 KJV)  Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
 
(Luke 12:33 KJV)  Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
 
(2 Cor 4:7 KJV)  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
(Psa 14:1 KJV)   The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
 
(Psa 14:3 KJV)  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(Psa 53:3 KJV)  Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(Prov 11:17 KJV)  The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh.
 
(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
(Rom 3:12 KJV)  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(3 John 1:11 KJV)  Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
 
It is still an unacceptable sin and not rather supposed love  for Baptist, brethren, any goners to hate, promote hatred against the Charismatics, Christian Pentecostals or the Christian Catholics too, or any others.
 
(Luke 11:13 KJV)  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
 
(Luke 11:21 KJV)  When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:22   But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. 24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.25  And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
 
(Luke 11:27 KJV)  And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.28  But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
 
(Luke 11:17 KJV)  But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. 18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.19   And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.20  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
 
(Mat 7:3 KJV)  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?  4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. 6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9  Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10  Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
 
(Mat 7:12 KJV)  Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
 
(Mat 7:13 KJV)  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
 
(Mat 7:14 KJV)  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
(Mat 7:15 KJV)  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
 
(Mat 7:16 KJV)  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
 
(Mat 7:17 KJV)  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
 
(Mat 7:18 KJV)  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
 
(Mat 7:19 KJV)  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 
(Mat 7:20 KJV)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 
(Mat 7:21 KJV)  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
(Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
 
(Mat 7:23 KJV)  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
(Mat 7:24 KJV)  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 
I have a good rule in counseling or listening to others, when I start to hear cliches. non original remarks, parrot talk, I tend to know these people are basically not honest, not sincere, and they cannot be helped still too..
 
and it is not what you know that counts but how much of the Bible that you actually practice in love too now that counts
 
(Deu 8:2 KJV)  And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
 
(Deu 8:16 KJV)  Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;
 
(2 Chr 7:14 KJV)  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
 
(2 Chr 34:27 KJV)  Because thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.
 
(Job 22:29 KJV)  When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up; and he shall save the humble person.
 
(Psa 9:12 KJV)  When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.
 
(Psa 34:2 KJV)  My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
 
(Psa 69:32 KJV)  The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God.
 
(Prov 16:19 KJV)  Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
 
(Prov 29:23 KJV)  A man’s pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.
 
(Isa 57:15 KJV)  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
 
(Jer 13:18 KJV)  Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory.
 
(Mat 18:4 KJV)  Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
 
(Mat 23:12 KJV)  And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
 
(James 4:6 KJV)  But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
 
(James 4:10 KJV)  Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
 
(1 Pet 5:5 KJV)  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
 
(1 Pet 5:6 KJV)  Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

 

May 26, 2008

Distorters, Disrupters, Decievers

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 A house divided against itself cannot stand (Mark 3:25)  applies to  Churches, and our homes, and our marriages too.

(Prov 16:19 KJV)  Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

Bullies, abusers, liars, slanderers tend to be clearly immoral persons who try to enslave others uancceptably even if they profess to be Christian or what ever,,

(Mark 12:38 KJV)  And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, 39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: 40  Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. 41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

(Mark 12:42 KJV)  And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
 
(Isa 57:15 KJV)  For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
 
I want you to clearly teach the meaning of these above verses to all and these below as well.
 
(Prov 11:2 KJV)  When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
 
(Prov 13:10 KJV)  Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
 
(2 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
“God to thee alone I cry for help, be my refuge, my strength, my deliverer for blessed are all those who do put their trust in you now before the children of men.”
 
(Psa 37:40 KJV)  And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.
 
(Micah 7:2 KJV)  The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. 3  That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up.  4  The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity. 5  Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom. 6  For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man’s enemies are the men of his own house. 7  Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me.
 
(Mat 10:35 KJV)  For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36  And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
 
(Psa 14:3 KJV)  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
(2 Cor 4:7 KJV)  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 
 
I was in one church where the pastor was a real showman, he was a great entertainer, and in a worldly sense I admired Him.  God next spoke to me and said that God knew what he was really  like, what he was capable of, and that this same pastor  had the ability to sin as well, thus I was not to worship him or any  mere man..
   
(Luke 14:11 KJV)  For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 
Some loud mouthed pastors taking all the credit for the revival in their church forgot it was very likely someone else had firstly prayed for it to occur..
 
(Isa 66:2 KJV)  For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 3   He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4  I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. 5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. 6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompense to his enemies.
 
(2Pet.2:1,2,19): “There were false prophets among the [Old Testament] people, even as there shall be false teachers among you [the church], who privily shall bring in[to the church] damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. . . . And many [of the church] shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of [by the church]. . . . While they [Christian ministers] promise them [Christian congregations] liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption.”
 
Always,  Always Follow After Jesus and not after any Man, elders or Pastors included. Sadly I still very often counsel sheep that have been beat up, abused by their pastors..(Jer 17:5 KJV)  Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.(Jer 17:6 KJV)  For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

(Isa 30:10 KJV)  Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: (Jer 5:31 KJV)  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof? (Jer 14:14 KJV)  Then the LORD said unto me, The  prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. 15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

 

Now there are also at least six major things wrong with the North Americanized  Gospel being preached falsely today even worldwide,  and our own being personally next forewarned is properly forearmed.1 It is mostly man centered religion and not rather God centered, it still tends to exalts man,  self, pride..not rather solely Jesus Christ.

(2 Tim 3:1 KJV) This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection,  truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4  Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.   

and not rather  (1 Cor 2:2 KJV)  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
  
2 It falsely, wrongfully teaches mostly materialistic prosperity, it has a wrong still secular materialistic emphasis,  approach.. instead of agreeing with Christ that Blessed are the poor in Spirit as well..(1 John 2:15 KJV)  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.3 It denies full personal accountability, even denies the reality we will here reap on earth as well what we have sown or have not sown even.. (Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

4 It tends to deny the reality of the real personal persecutions of all true believers, and this it even fails  to prepare us to deal with our enemies, persecutions, hardships too.   (2 Tim 3:10 KJV)  But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering, charity, patience, 11  Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

5 It even really fails to adequately prepare us to know God better and to walk with God himself, to follow after God instead of mere men.

(Phil 3:10 KJV)  That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, 

and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;  (1 John 4:20 KJV)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
 
6 It promotes sex. While Catholicism has falsely suppressed the emphasis on marital sex, not on true love, this  often Americanized Gospel falsely promotes sex too often too,  and thus also falsely promotes related divorce, mostly for sexual lusts for a start. (2 Tim 3:6 KJV)  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.8  Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9  But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
 
Yes even today there is the still false persecution of the righteous persons by wicked, evil, not born again  persons,  but there is also our persecution by a backslidden Christian, the same one with the antichrist  spirit,  that knowingly too  tries to slander, kill Christ and his good followers, and this evil sprit it generally is still  in a  past believer in Christ, like Judas.
 
As the Bible even  indicates the God ordained penalty for the persecution God’s people which includes  death too, but first a  loss of  job, loss of family too. One of the best loud Biblical examples  of this is in  book of Esther. Do read this book firsthand  for this is a  great book on this subject too. 
 
In the New Testament Apostle Paul in the past himself amongst many others was such a persecutor of believers, a murderer as well and  God saved him too, but God made him pay the price for it too next.. 
 
In my own life time I have often witnessed that when a person tries to physically harm, persecute a true believer they do next either die  early for their time.. even  within a month,  6 months, two years.. depending on how unrepentant they are.
 
Too many Pastors, elders even  today also do try to build false churches modeled on uniqueness, isolated doctrines,  on  something that makes them supposedly better, different for others.. they practise a small isolated part of  the Bible and then even boast they are better than all of the others. Most  Churches wrongfully do not practise all of the Bible, for they really do not  know it to start if with as well, not even the pastors..  Many pastors wrongfully  do still  build a church even as a job  income, or to promote glory unto themselves..  and they really not they do not  build on on Christ.. they really do not read the Bible or pray for their flock daily.. they unacceptably  are not building truly the true  Church of Christ.
 
 
(Mat 7:22 KJV)  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not  prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy  name done many wonderful works?  23   And then will I profess unto them,  I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
(1 Cor 2:2 KJV)  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3  And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4  And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5  That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.(Eph 1:1 KJV)  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, ..not by the will of man too..”Some of the most desperate cries being uttered by God’s “sheep” today are those pleas for the Lord to send them a GOOD Pastor = a good SHEPHERD.

In every “pasture”, the sheep are saying, “Lord, send us a good shepherd”.

God’s still does sends miracles to you today, that is, when you believe! You still do have to do something to get God to act on your behalf OR ON THE BEHALF OF OTHERS..

Remember? “And he [Jesus Christ] did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief,” Matthew 13:58.

 The Bible itself is a miracle book, brought about by supernatural means in holy men of God as they were “moved by the Holy Ghost” (II Peter 1:21) …moved by God, who is SPIRIT… according to John 4:24a. (”Ghost” is “spirit,” it is the same Greek word pneuma for both “ghost” or “spirit.”)

Too many people have a problem also now just with the existence of Miracles, but with the reality that the Divinely inspired Bible was all brought about by “the power of the Holy Spirit”?! Plenty. So it is not surpassing man y people have problems, or a lack of faith for God to perform miracles their  behalf or on the behalf of others. It’s also amazing to me that people have a problem with that when in fact they will believe in things more difficult to believe in than God’s Word, like ……Life on mars or aliens.  Just unbelievable! The only “aliens” I know of, as recorded in God’s Word, are “devil spirits.”  Something really peculiar also is that so many people will believe in “angels,” but they do not believe in “the power of the God, Jesus, the holy spirit” …yet……. both truths, both of these realities, still come from the same Bible.  Isn’t that odd  that many only believe certain realities from the same Bible! And why is that?

Further, some people actually think angels are a greater phenomenon than even God’s gift to man, named …the gift of holy spirit, Acts 2:38, and Ephesians 2:8.  Especially, when God had recorded within His Word, the words: holy spirit, spirit, spiritually, holy ghost, etc. hundreds of times more (almost 800 times in God’s Word) as compared to the word …”angels,” or “messengers,” etc. (used under 300 times).

It is an intriguing matter when men magnify things that God does not magnify, and when God magnifies things that men do not magnify it. Sinful of course.

The Word of God now too often is even sensationalized in preaching, books, tapes for the people’s false and shallow belief? People tend to like to hear only certain topics.

and there is clearly  even an evilly devised, satanic-origin to the magnification of angels over God’s giving of “the gift of holy spirit,” Acts 2:38? Over the word of God too.

Remember? II Corinthians 11:14, “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

The greatest “gift” God has also ever given to man is “the gift of God,” explained in further detail within the quote, “the gift of holy spirit” …which Jesus Christ gave his life… for each one of us to personally obtain.

God has also emphasized, magnified His “gift” to man in Jesus Christ over the reality of angels. And  ”Know ye not that we shall judge angels,” I Corinthians 6:3.

“Internet “Search Engine” compilations, statistics, reveal that people look up the keyword “angels” with a ratio of at least two to one more times than people search or look up the words “spirit” or “holy spirit!”  Even more startling …is when many are looking up the keyword “angels” more than they are the real keywords of life …”God” or “Jesus” or “Christ” or “Jesus Christ!” ” Why? because many persons really are not interested in personally being spiritual rather they just want  their minds tickled with facts, information.”

Many so called Christian, church Internet sites do not even promote Jesus Christ and his finished works for us, but promote wrongfully their organization, man, are a false reason and wrong source for the solicitation of funds too.

“For our weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.” II Cor 10:4-5

II Tim 1:7   ”For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”

1 John 3:8 “He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Hebrews 2:14 “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.”

Destroy is katargeo in Greek; meaning to render inoperative, abolish, or to make of no effect.

[Romans 16:20 “And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”]

Bruise is suntribo in Greek; meaning to crush completely and to shatter.

Acts 10:38 “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil (whom the devil exercised power over); for God was with him.”

Healing is iaomai in Greek; meaning cure, heal, or make whole.

1 John 3:10-11 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.”

and resisting the devil by the blood of Jesus and the name of Jesus, by prayer is an ongoing daily need too.

Like I have said one is not a Christian before one notice the vast difference between fundamental Christians, in particularly between the Pentecostals and the non Pentecostals.. the difference lies also in the aspects, emphasis  of the Holy Spirit, Spiritual Gifts, and the gifted Church members, offices too.,, such as even Apostles, Prophets.. and there are differences even on the issue of eternal security.. While both sides claim to believe the Bible is the word of God, they seem to explain it all very differently… the problem to me it seems is that clearly one group is doing it mostly in their own wisdom, not in God’s, they are not allowing the Holy Spirit to guide,  teach them, but rather the flesh, mere men and the devil.. but next each one says the other group is doing this.. the same professing Christian group that has a low emphasis on the Holy Spirit is the one in error.
 
Yes, the Sinful persons in any church they can still be used by the Holy Spirit because they’re the choice of the Holy Spirit as a vessel to be used.  (2 Cor 4:7 KJV)  But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
 And it has also now bugged the daylights out of me that I knew that some persons in all churches and in all denominations were still sinning very bad, but God still used them as a vessel!  God uses people also in the church who are available vessels, who are vessels that are opened to be used and often those vessels are in sin. God uses also some sinful and even unbelieving pastors cause others had prayed for them to be used by God, their spouses included. God can also use anybody, anything as  well, a jack ass too,  and the usage of the  vessel by the Holy Spirit does not sanction the sin, the persons now still, and as a matter of fact often soon after, there’s going to be a visible judgment based on that person’s still unrepentant sins and there’s even going to be a lot of bewilderment. There’s going to be a lot of local, national concerns about why how one could have  be sinful and be even spiritual as well. I have seen this as well. Always still keep your eye on God and his word and not the vessels.
 
God’s will also  is for  all persons to know Him initially and continually and firstly  through genuine personal repentance. For  immaturity and unrepentant  sins will keep any believer in  the pigpen instead..  you cannot have one foot in the world, flesh, the devil, hell and the other one next in Heaven, with God.. it cannot be done. That is why so many so called Christian persons are still unspiritual and why they cannot understand the truth or know it. Why we have so many false pastors false teachers, false apostle, false prophets, false evangelists, the  false believers .
 
God does not forever overlook all of the injustice being done or all of the unrepentant personal sins, in fact often there is a time when these persons who have sowed them  do next reap the negative things they sowed, and they are even publicly exposed as being false.
 
SADLY TO ME THE STILL DEMONICALLY LED CHRISTIANS DO STILL BELIEVE THAT THE MIRACLES OF BIBLE TIMES ARE NO LONGER OCCURRING TODAY OR THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO US CLEARLY EVEN BECAUSE OF UNREPENTANT SIN IN THEIR LIFE, AND/OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT MATURED SPIRITUALLY, AND /OR BECAUSE THEY ARE CARNAL CHRISTIANS AND NOT SPIRITUAL ONES.
 
They may not  deny the Biblical account of the miracles of creation, the flood, the walls of Jericho story, the virgin birth of Christ or his resurrection. To them these Miracles have confirmed the sonship of Jesus. These all are written solely that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. . .” (John 20:31).
 
But they will next  wrongfully say that  to “look for modern-day miracles outside the Book demonstrates our lack of faith in the Bible and the Son of God it reveals.” This is just more of their mere Garbage.. real faith in God believes still in His miracles today as well. For God has not changed, changes not.. nor does, did  Jesus.. (Mal 3:6 KJV)  For I am the LORD, I change not;  (Heb 13:8 KJV)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 
Mind you these same people do believe their own garbage and the fact they are spiritual by telling us such distortions still too. These rather carnal, immature, legalistic, Christian distortionists will sadly also say to you about the 9 MIRACULOUS GIFTS that they are ” Like scaffolding, a temporary platform for workmen on a new building, miraculous gifts were temporary to enable the early church time to mature and grow. Instruction had to be given in the absence of a written, confirmed, complete and perfect revelation. These gifts were to last “till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto the full-grown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. . .(Ephesians 4:13). “
 
Ironically it is also very clear to most of us that we all have not even achieved a unity of faith so these miraculous gift thus are still needed and exist still today too so we can come to a unity of the faith even still.
And the distortionists  they will tend to add that “These gifts came only through the laying on of the apostles’ hands.” “The apostles had to go to Samaria to lay hands on those Philip had converted and bestow gifts on them, because Philip could not do it (Acts 8:16). Paul laid his hands on twelve men at Ephesus and they spoke in tongues and prophesied (Acts 19:6). The seven deacons, including Philip, received the laying on of hands of the apostles (Acts 6:6). Paul laid his hands on Timothy to enable him to receive a special gift (2 Timothy 1:6). Finally, Paul longed to go to Rome, “that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established” (Romans 1:11). “
 
” Only the apostles (  only the Holy Spirit rather still could do this) could give the nine miraculous gifts (1 Cor. 12:4-11). When the apostles died, their hands died with them and the ability to bestow gifts by “the laying on of hands” died also. “  And as to what Apostles are they talking about? Note they will also have to deny that more than 12 Apostles had existed at the time of Christ or that Apostles do exists today as well. Not all of the Christian persons now even spoke in tongues solely by the laying on of the apostle’s hands.
These same disrupters and liars forget that there are more ten 12 apostles mentioned in the   New Testament, at least 18, and that Apostles do even exist today as well. 
 
God’s word is clear on the subject of what deceivement will do to us, for it will cause us to fall away even from Him who has created us and made all things.
 
(Rom 1:1 KJV)  Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,  (Rom 11:13 KJV)  For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (1 Cor 1:1 KJV)  Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother…  The very Same apostle Paul said (1 Cor 14:39 KJV)  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. (1 Cor 14:40 KJV)  Let all things be done decently and in order.
 
(1 Cor 14:39 KJV)  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
 
(1 Cor 14:40 KJV)  Let all things be done decently and in order.
 
(Eph 6:18 KJV)  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; (Jude 1:20 KJV)  But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,(1 Cor 13:1 KJV)  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
 
(1 Cor 12:4 KJV)  Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
 
(1 Cor 12:6 KJV)  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
 
“In Eph. 2:20, apostles and prophets are closely linked. They are both important components of the one foundation.  Ephesians would actually indicate that we are dealing with two groups of specifically gifted people. In Eph. 4:11 we are told that Christ “gave some to be apostles, some prophets…” Here both nouns have their own definite article. They are clearly two separate groups.Don’t you also find it really strange that some people today in the church expect all of today’s Prophets to be totally perfect, but yet not all of the church Pastors? Why do they have this dual standard? Are they looking for a false excuse to discredit immediately all AND ANY OF the Prophets? It sure really seems so.The mostly still sinful and rebellious Pastors and/or teachers  still really do not like to submit to any Apostles, Prophet’s even today so that is why they tend  not to like and  wrongfully to agree with this valid exposition now too. I have even heard, witnessed pastors lie. Does that now also mean every single word a prophet said, or every personal act was to be right, inspired? Don’t you find it really strange that some people today in the church expect all of today’s Prophets to be totally perfect, but yet not all of the church Pastors? Why do they have this dual standard? Are they looking for a false excuse to discredit immediately all AND ANY OF the Prophets? It sure really seems so.  
 
I had attended a Latter Rain Movement Church for while too, loved it, and it’s theology was great too..
But I know from many years of experiences that 70 percent of pastors are bad, hypocrites, pretenders.. in all denominations..
 
and I think that people who are so called experts on something they have never experienced are still just big liars, hypocrites, bullies, false teachers, false prophets..
 
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Mat 21:42-44)
 
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send, receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. (John 13:20)   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me ((through their word;))
 
(John 17:17-18, 20) (John 17:22 KJV)  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
 
(James 1:27 KJV)  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.   (Deu 15:11 KJV)  For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.  (Phil 2:4 KJV)  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.  (Mat 25:34 KJV)  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35   For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

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