Missing the point?

May 30, 2008

“Why Is Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Angry still?

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Hey I really do admit I do dislike any person who so readily can see the other persons sins, can list the other persons supposed wrongs, but cannot face, admit, list their own wrongs.. and I especially do rightfully think all pastors need to show a much better example here too.. The TACF pastors  included.

For a very very long time this remains as a popular post for  sadly the infighting amongst various Christian churches seems to continue as each one tries to prove it is the greatests in the kingdom of heaven? http://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-need-of-one-distancing-their-good-works-from-their-evil-ones/

“USING THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OF AIRD & BERLIS AND HOWARD WINKLER OF TORONTO,   APOSTLE JOHN ARNOTT, SENIOR PASTOR STEVE LONG, AND THE BOARD OF THE EVANGELICAL PENTECOSTAL CHURCH TORONTO AIRPORT CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP NOW RENAMED CATCH THE FIRE, (PLAINTIFS AND CREDITORS,)    SUED A TOTAL STRANGER FOR $ 50 MILLION DOLLARS AND BY COMMITTING  PERJURY, FABRICATION OF EVIDENCE AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE”
While it is absolutely true that the love of Jesus for us, in that while we were yet sinners, he loved us and forgives, is  the biggest personal drawing force to God.. one of the saddest realization of mine next in real life is that half of the once loudly professing Christians will depart from real  faith next due to a variety of false reasons, such as the false pursuit of riches, being seduced, incomplete repentance, false denial of one sins.. etc., finally thus they are unwilling to pay the actual  price, to take up their cross and to follow  fully after God .  Divorce also clearly is till  is not a valid teaching, doctrine of  of the Christian church  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/divorce-and-remarriage-in-the-christian-church/
1/7 of the tithe collected by the priests was to be disbursed to the local poor people, the new testament equivalent of the churches weekly distribution to the poor persons,  and how many of these church pastors who try to enforce tithing today keep even this obligations? Almost none and why was that? Greed.. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/the-ttihe/
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“Aird & Berlis did their Client Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship,  John Arnott and Steve Long a disservice by trying to bury  their “ financial and hate crimes” and by trying to destroy Mr. Walter Kambulow, the whistleblower, using the court system instead of telling their client to come clean!” http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/church-issues/aberrational-theology/fraud-embezzlement-illegal-tax-free-benefits-by-the-executives-of-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-john-arnott-and-steve-long-2
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using the same courts, media  to abuse one another  IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR THE TACF PASTORS FIRSTLY.
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Then a man of God came to Eli and said to him, “Thus says the LORD: ‘Did I not clearly reveal Myself to the house of your father when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh’s house?  ‘Did I not choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be My priest, to offer upon My altar, to burn incense, and to wear an ephod before Me? And did I not give to the house of your father all the offerings of the children of Israel made by fire? ‘Why do you kick at My sacrifice and My offering which I have commanded in My dwelling place, and honor your sons more than Me, to make yourselves fat with the best of all the offerings of Israel My people?’  “Therefore the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I said indeed that your house and the house of your father would walk before Me forever.’ But now the LORD says: ‘Far be it from Me; for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me shall be lightly esteemed. 1 Samuel 2:27-30

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“It seems to me part of the problem is that the Assembly of God denomination allows ministers to preside over board meetings instead of   church members, as in other more democratically operated Protestant churches.

We all like the pleasant things of God and life, and shy away from unpleasant and controversial things, such as the present day sins of the pastors and evangelists in this great land. We say things such as ‘touch not God’s anointed’ and some of us worship them as kings. The Prophet Isaiah reminded us:

“Be a shelter to them from the face of the spoiler. For the extortioner is at an end, devastation ceases, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.” (Isaiah 16:4)

Sometimes, others see and know more about the truth of the Kings of Israel and others in that they were largely spoilers, thieves, liars and oppressors. Not all Kings in Israel in bible times were good and kind; most of them were terribly wicked and despots.

As a denomination, the Assembly of God has not accepted responsibility for the actions of their prominent members in their organization. It has done nothing to bring justice and healing to the real victims in these cases. Instead, they it has chosen to console and comfort the aggressors, the noble ones, and the perpetrators of the crimes. The victims were mostly elderly people, who didn’t have the physical strength or financial resources to fight back and recover what they lost. ” http://walthope.tripod.com/

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It has always confounded me as to why the liars, crooks, deceivers, abusers  SUCH AS TACF AS WELL too often do still do think they can get away with now, next and forever.

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FOR WE TEND TO KNOW THAT THEY THE CROOKS, ABUSERS TOO,  NOW ARE NOT ABOUT TO STOP THEIR WRONG DOINGS. RATHER THEY WILL NEXT EVEN ESCALATE, CONTINUE IN THEM. AND THAT IS ANOTHER VALID REASON  THEY DO NEED TO BE EXPOSED, PROSECUTED AND STOPPED. EVEN FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL.
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As I look back in my life the last half a century some of the most immoral, despotic, cruel persons I have encountered in Canada were not just in the business world but actually pastors in various Christian  churches and why was, is that?
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I have absolutely no doubt that many Canadian evangelical pastors included now are falsely lying, unacceptably misrepresenting the Biblical truth,  pressurizing, twisting the arms of members and adherents  to regularly tithe to their storehouse, to the Pastor’s benefit, so the pastor can live high on the hog now.
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(Isa 54:17 KJV)  No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
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There are still much too many persons with a big bad mouth even  in my own related families, who got so used to wagging  their big bad  tongues, telling their lies about others, that next  they had falsely started to think they all can and will get away with it for ever.. and they are next shocked when they are rightfully not only rebuked, but  fully exposed to all as to who they are really .. as slanderers, liars and human rights abusers..
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Clearly now I too got really tired of being lied to and abused by much too many professional bullies, perverts that I encounter too often in life now still, even in society, churches too  so I next started to openly, personally expose them and to make them reap real personal negative consequences rightfully here too..
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  Here is another simple fact of undeniable truth of life.. All of us seem to spend a lot of time trying to find our personal happiness in life, and many seem to fail at it, so we then tend to try to blame our failure here next on being the fault of others..  The problem firstly now here often starts with one’s false definition of happiness.
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Happiness generally, firstly is doing a job well that you like to do and so  many people are unhappy cause they are also unrealistic, and lazy.  Most persons also next do not become deliberately despots or perverts in life from birth, it is a decision they generally do on their own make later in life.. Our self-worth, self esteem is a direct result of the good things you do , have done.. do the bad things and you will have a low self worth, poor self acceptance, and it is a waste of time thus to blame it mostly on the others.
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(1 Thess 2:2 KJV)  But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention. 3  For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile: 4  But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 5  For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness: 6  Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ. 7  But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
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Too often now the preacher still wrongfully tells the flock  he’s their sole, responsible spiritual daddy and thus he always does knows what’s best for them, so now  also they would  better not take their full freedom in Christ too seriously and next try to do anything without consulting, obeying the preacher in all things too..
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It is still not the preacher who is the head of the Church, Jesus Christ alone is, and it is still the Holy Spirit himself  who will lead and guide you into all truth.. for the preacher job rather firstly is to lead us to God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit.
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When expounding the truth, the Bible the bad preacher often wears colored glasses it seems that say “What’s in it for me”, says the preacher too?So long as the preacher wears a nice suit, no matter how or how much he paid for his suit he is a good preacher it seemsMany Preachers do seem count  on your ignorance of the Word of God  as they often do also try  convince you you’re way too dumb to argue with them, for  God has spoken to them directly on the matter, and if you challenge them they tend to ignore you or kick you out..
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(1 Cor 11:3 KJV)  But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
(Eph 4:15 KJV)  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
(Eph 5:23 KJV)  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(John 14:16 KJV)  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
(John 14:26 KJV)  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(John 15:26 KJV)  But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
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The ends seem to justify the means for some. In the secular world it is common to contact your employer to try to put pressure on you when you disagree with a corporation, but in the religious world it is an unacceptable  common ploy for bad undeniably pastors with no fear and accountably as well  too often to try meddle into your family affairs, to try to seduce,  counsel your own wife behind your back and knowledge, trying to divide and conquer as many persons have told  me, they had the same bad experiences too, me included.

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Hidden agendas, the world is full of it, many people have hidden agendas, Pastors, Ministers, politicans, cops  too. Sadly some people they tend  present their own “facts,” but fall short in truthfulness  for they tend to falsely  have a hidden agenda, and often they want to be falsely personally worshipped and live in sin too.
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Is 2:22 Cease to trust in [weak, frail, and dying] man, whose breath is in his nostrils [for so short a time]; in what sense can he be counted as having intrinsic worth?
Yes, the Bad pastors, bad elders, bad cops, bad politicians  continue to exist  cause likely their supporters are  also now bad too.
  (Jer 5:31 KJV)  The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
My own twin brother Walter had written to me   some interesting comments about the need to deal with hireling type preachers and it should include their restitutions as well.. Would be nice if everyone practiced it now too.
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Wrongful inactions, Cover ups, False denial of bad politicians, bad cops, bad persons, false pastors, false priests are much too common but nevertheless they do get exposed, revealed to all as to what they are often now like  too, and get what they deserve, and not the first or last time.

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“Unfortunately most religious leaders today seem to be hirelings and not true shepherds! All they care about is their own ministry and self interests and not the best interest of the sheep!

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The bottom line is that if you forgive some people without dealing with the issues at hand, the judgment that will fall on them from God will also fall on you! Numbers 16 tells us what happens when you join forces with the wrong people to do evil and wicked things!
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Christians can be exploited as well
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Most evangelicals teach mandatory  forgiveness! And in a sense we forgive the person that did the act but we don’t forgive the act and according to Matthew 5:21-26, Luke 18:1-8, Hebrews 10:26-26, and Revelation 2:18-23 we anticipate God to avenge us if there is no restitution or repentance.
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Evangelicals love to talk about THE NEED OF OTHERS FOR forgiveness but not much THEIR OWN ACTS SUCH AS tacf OR about bona fide repentance and restitution! ( Why?)
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John 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, He looked up and saw him, and said to him, “Zacchaeus, make haste and come down, for today I must stay at your house.” 19:6 So he made haste and came down, and received Him joyfully. 19:7 But when they saw it, they all complained, saying, “He has gone to be a guest with a man who is a sinner.” 19:8 Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.” 19:9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; Zacchaeus demonstrated his faith not only by his repentance but by restitution! “
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FOR WE ALL TEND TO KNOW THAT THEY THE CROOKS, ABUSERS TOO,  NOW ARE NOT ABOUT TO STOP THEIR WRONG DOINGS. RATHER THEY WILL NEXT EVEN ESCALATE, CONTINUE IN THEM. AND THAT IS ANOTHER VALID REASON  THEY DO NEED TO BE EXPOSED, PROSECUTED AND STOPPED. EVEN FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL.
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And once exposed most people do not accept, support  a crook, even if it is a Minister now too.
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Most people still rightfully do blame the governments, politicians, bad cops and bad judges, for the existence of much too many crooked civil and public servants, crooked business persons, crooked persons in Canada.  More Laws that are unenforced also tend to be still mostly useless too. Let’s simply just agree the whole system is often corrupt, eh?
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We need better Policing and “Tougher penalties for sure!” You will get a longer jail sentence for robbing a convenience store of $50 than fleecing consumers,  investors for millions (billions) or stealing any of the tax payer’s money.    Put all of the criminals in jail, and their bad supervisors now too,  where they belong, and always do  take way from them all that they have stolen now as well..  Restitution of all items stolen should be in the criminal sentencing now as well..  Until people start getting fired and criminal charges are laid, the bad acts of theirs will continue. And do amend the criminal code to include a mandatory 5 year minimum jail sentence and a fine not less than 10 times the money involved, for breach of public trust. This amendment would cover all forms of corruption from conflict of interest to false accounting. By the time the first dozen or so of these crooks have been banged up – the rest won’t find a bad public office so attractive once they know they can’t abuse,  fleece the citizens, consumers, taxpayer.
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LK 17:3 “Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty still serves as a rightful deterrent example to all and is still one of the best approaches on how to deal with the evil persons. Even the Bible records openly the unrepentant sins of many persons and their real  negative consequences. Too many of the preachers are unacceptably also guilty of preaching “Do what I say and not what I do still too”.
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Sow the wrong seed and you can also next reap a whirl wind, and  yes church pastors included now, for  there is really no such thing as a little bit allowable sins for the Church pastors included, no such thing as being a  little bit pregnant here too.. reaping for their lies, misdirection.. and it is also still clearly unacceptable for any Pastors to counsel a man’s wife behind his back, and without his knowledge, approval,  permission, but even this sadly now  is an unacceptable  common occurrence yes  in evangelical churches now too, even in the Brethren, Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostals churches now too.. and sadly this is now how the war against the perverse pastors’ of the Toronto airport church and other similar bad churches  had next escalated. When any spouse also starts to talk to any others now about their family affairs they now are next definitely  headed towards divorce wars as well..

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There are yes too many  false sheep who worship those crooked leaders, shepherds, pastors dressed in nice suits. Not trying to impress anyone, or showing off I next went to a new church dressed in my clean, regular daily clothes. I next too was surprised when now one said hello to me nor did they great me, and a few services later this continued to happen. So I prayed about it and to my surprise God said they were harlots, prostitutes. Embarrassed at this revelation I decided I would fully proof for myself this was true. So next Sunday I put on a white shirt, tie, nice black pants, and a white sports jacket and most everyone said hello  to me. Incidentally the same thing happens to me on the bus as well.. Why?  Also the very same pastor of this professing Christian church dressed there in a nice suit who also did not talk to me as well was next charged with abuse, slander, lying, misappropriation of church funds, and was eventually fired. Now these days when I see these peacock members, deacons, ushers  strutting around church in their fancy suits trying to impress the others , it causes me to be sick to my stomach still. It would be better if they used the money rather to help the poor and needy in their own church..

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POWER, CONTROL BUT ALSO NOW MONEY WAS THE SECOND REASON THIS TACF CHRISTIAN CHURCHES  FIGHT ESCALATED.. MONEY, HOW IT WAS BEING COLLECTED AND SPENT BECAME AN ISSUE TOO.. they seem to collect money under false pretences too often  http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/secret-tithing/

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Why do some of the too often dirty Canadian pastors think they still can get away with it? TACF AS WELL but  not for long!

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Telling lies, half truths is too  too difficult, for you have to remember the lies you had said, and the truth as well, and most people cannot do that , thus they rather do as a result go crazy.. So Me I do not write to please men or women, to be politically correct, and I prefer the to deal with, write the simple truths, I also do readily share the good things I have learned freely

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The spin game  “Great Florida Outpouring – Endorsements Posted on June 17, 2008. “A number of leaders in the Body of Christ are going to be in Lakeland on June 23th to bless the Outpouring. Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, C. Peter Wagner, John and Carol Arnott, among others, will be there according to the announcement Todd made last night.” 20 selective postive comments so far.. real negative comments were, are excluded. I too do have to admit that “bless the Outpouring” of God sounds too pharisical”.  Rather they should really say “we pray that the leaders also themselves set a good example by their personal repentence, godly behaviors”.
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Two sides of the same story. My local Baptist Church pastor now IN THE PAST HAD OFTEN  on his own had told me now what an reliable, honorable man my father in law was, so  I guess he was buttering me up for a donation.. now a bit later, just shortly after that I went to a funeral of my father in law’s relative. There the real close relatives told me first hand now a whole different story from what the local pastor had told me. My father in law was a womanizer, a boozer, he had been even separated from his wife as well, and he had been kick out of a Brethren church cause they considered him and his acts as being non Christian. That was all news to me, a past  hidden family secret. Next I really could not see anything Christian about him now as well.. Now Telling lies is a sin even for a pastor  or family members now too.  But in Canada TODAY IT SEEMS  70 percent of the preachers now are bad, rally not called by God.  Never mind the rest of the flock. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/to-the-bad-preacher/
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Many many pastors do wrongfully still  do think that the citizens complaints about them it is all a big joke, they do laugh at it, mock them too. Write a letter to a pastor and see if they even do  even acknowledge it. AND WHEN THEY DO IT IS FULL OF LIES.
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Pastors do too often falsely think they are above the laws of the country  and yet many of them have, do  threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. How hypocrtical OF THEM. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the Christian, evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and really work for God rather then self. They all seem to have nice cars, nice homes, great salaries, expensive perks, vacations and yes  too many of them.. Pastors Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart was not the first or last perverts, crook. The bad Christian pastors seem to be trying to get falsely their rewards on earth  and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also seem to preach. Who are they fooling but themselves as to what they really are.
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Most people also  are not aware that the Canadian Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada churches PAOC are a break away penteocstals  from the US Christian Missionary Alliance church firstly, the CMA is also the church of Stephen Harper Canada’s prime Minister  and they both do have a very similar church bad management structure, a corporation with a corporate president even that does not disclose all the CHURCH expenditures next to the all of the donators now too. .. not your expected  congregationally managed, owned local church ..  with transpaerency and accountability.. sounds like PM Harper too.
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There is no denial as to how cold, ruthless, uncompassionate, uncaring, immoral, ruthless, slanderous, gossiping, abusive the majority of evangelical pastors where in my own many past personal encounters experiences Canada wide too that I had , but I did rightfully did not throw about the baby, Jesus,  with the dirty wash water. Rather next I rightfully tended to ask the bad pastors and their bad supporters now too to change to repent instead.. 1/12 only and did the rest…
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”Your honor, there are more things than money—truth, honesty and justice. He [Strader] hasn’t been honest, and he is seeking to avoid justice with money.” (Assistant state Attorney Wayne Durden, Polk County, Florida at the sentencing of Dan Strader, 1995)  The problem with lying and thieving preachers in America is that they all preach to others but never listen to others. They are after all better than their sheep?  Someone should tell preachers such as Karl Strader, Benny Hinn and Randy White, who said I was demon possessed and needed to get a life because I don’t do what they did, that robbing and raping the money and well being of the sheep under their care is not just a “white collar crime.” They should read their own bible that they talk so much about and see what God said to Eli and his raping and thieving sons:”
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Now as to ”Why Is Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Angry?  Posted by Job on May 29, 2008  Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship – the home of the liars and perjurers including John Arnott and Steve Long – are upset for being exposed for what they truly are sons of disobedience and sons of hell  and are taking at least one person to court contrary to scriptures to protest about his online books which are too hot for them to handle!
They are also upset because this person has asked  “So for the good of all Canadians and the rule of law, the Honorable Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, through the different Canadian Government agencies, should order an immediate investigation of this nonprofit charity Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and ensure that it’s nonprofit corporation status be revoked especially as the executives of TACF have used the charity to pay off their mortgages and purchase luxury cars tax free. See http://www.fstdt.com/forums/thread.aspx?t=1524 5 and http://cnt10c.tripod.com/tb.htm
They are also upset because this former member has asked the government authorities to investigate why it is okay for TACF Vice President Steve Long to publically solicit by mail for tax free funds to pay off TACF President John Arnott mortgage but  not publically solicit by mail to pay for this former member mortgage as well as all his legal costs as a result of TACF nonprofit charity suing this former member because he blew the whistle on their crimes, thievery, hypocrisy, lies, perjury, sins, etc.
It’s also amazing that we have operating freely in Toronto Canada,  liars, perjurers and thieves in Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship including John Arnott and Steve Long with impunity or without rebuke from anybody about their financial crimes, their hate crimes, lies and perjury!
But it’s not amazing that these scoundrels, liars, and perjurers would not submit  as per “The order of Justice James H. Clarke of  January 15, 2008” which stated “ THIS COURT ORDERS THAT the Defendants shall serve on the Plaintiff by email and file their Statement of Defense within ten days,”  a Statement of Defense to this former member regarding his $100 million dollar Lawsuit Court File No: 6447/07 filed in Milton, Ontario, with the Superior Court of Ontario and now revised to $ 300 million.
And if this Christian nonprofit charity TACF and its executives John Arnott and Steve Long can defy and ignore the order of  Justice James H. Clarke and do whatever they want so can every other Canadian.  Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship sets by its example that any Christian can be lawless, liars, thieves, and perjurers and not respect the rule of law!”
Read ( most of these sites have been deleted) Liars and Perjurers in Revival  http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf Todd Bentley http://lionsmouth.tripod.com/todd.pdf The False Prophets” Oral and Richard Roberts “http://cnt10c.tripod.com/ or.htm “The Fleecer” Rodney Howard Browne  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/rodney.htm “The Charlatan” Karl Strader  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/strader.htm The Losers Randy and Paul White http://cnt10d.tripod.com/rw.htm Down in Flames  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/rc.htm The liar and thief Benny Hinn http://cnt10d.tripod.com/hinn.htm “The felon” Jim Bakker http://cnt10d.tripod.com/bakker.htm “The Bishop” http://cnt10d.tripod.com/blong.htm Evangelical Council of Financial Accountability  http://cnt10d.tripod.com/ecfa.htm “The Thieving CEO” Billy Graham http://cnt10.tripod.com/graham.htm The Pentecostal God Fraud http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion/pentecostal/godfraud.shtml Why is Pentecostalism a danger for Christianity? http://en.allexperts.com/q/Critics-Protestantism-3427/Pentecostal-danger-Christianity.htm TODD BENTLEY AND THE FLORIDA REVIVAL EXPOSED http://www.cristianismobiblico.com/bentleyexposed.htm

But thenonconformer Says in reply  Hey this is a all a big Joke.. even about the  false Pentecostal haters, bashers on the net presently.. The ongoing wars- one sided Religious discussions Christianity – Bashers, Bullies, falsehoods, Hatred, liars, libel, Pentecostal Haters, Slander, and Walter Kambulow etc.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/distortions-lies-false-critiques/ 

AT TIMES the Internet blogosphere lives up to its billing as the new frontier of FREEDOM OF SPEECH, religious and political discourse. But too often the blogs mainly still turn into an open sewer of rumors, lies, libels and adolescent  sins. WellI can tell the truth at least.. so we also  all can see the other side.   http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/
Walter Kambulow  knows firsthand how crooked religious corporations were, including the FGBMFI, which did not disclose to it’s donators how all of the money was next being used too. A portion sent to the us   headquarters AND FOR WHAT?. Most churches do not detail THEIR expenditures it seems these days, no full accountability and OR FULL transparency, EVEN like the professing Christian Stephen Harper and his government now as well.
WALTER HAD WANTED ENFORCED PASTORAL ACCOUNTIABLITY..  .
Walter wants the clearly bad pastors fired, punished for their lies, slander 
Those who sin rebuke before all and those whom I love I chasten and rebuke as well.
To get back at the local, Florida evangelical pastors    for their falsely counseling his wife Sandy behind his back and without his knowledge, permission, Walter Kambulow, of Burlinton Ontario, now in the last decade  had started a major holy religious war against the BAD  evangelical preachers in Canada, and the US, in writing on the net, and he finally  next got  sued for 50 million dollars in the Ontario Queen’s courts by some one claiming to be from the Toronto airport Christian fellowship church..  which was not really the truth.. no one NOW there had wanted to admit who really had authorized the suit or who was behind it , so the church lawsuit next got no where..
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Mind you these too often bad Pentecostal pastors even  Catholic priests,  or the Baptist pastors have really not been any better.
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and what about the bad Pentecostal pastors, they too do not repent.There is no law that says I have to still allow or to accept quietly the false, unfair  abuse of even any of the  the Pentecostal Christians or anyone for that matter now as well anywhere world wide, even on the net. So I do not.
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It is a clear fact  that the fundamental dispensationalist, Baptist, Brethren. etc.,  wrongfully seem to love to bash,  hate, provoke fights, bully the Charismatic, Pentecostals, and the Catholics.. under the false disguise of love and truth too, and I used to be naive and think that only ungodly secular persons behave like that, to fill that empty, God shaped vacuum  that they do feel in their heart, lives, but it now turns out these other bad professing fundamental Christians  do so as well.. they are certainly all not being led by person of the Holy Spirit to do any of this.. but yes clearly by self and the devil too.,, and you can tell all that now by their own lack of real love towards the other Born again Christians.. simple too.
 
Yes, the  person being taken to court for his writings, expressing his feelings, rigth of free speech,  was, is firstly my own twin Brother Walter..
It appears that a pastor in Canada about 2 years ago had talked to Walter’s wife Sandy behind his back, without Walter’s rightful approval and knowledge, and ever since Walter was really rightfully  upset over this, and he next escalated the  wars against the bad pastors, in Canada and in the US.
And it is not all just about money, Church, pastoral thefts, misappropriation of funds is it? It is the perverse pastoral managerial styles of the churches, and their false disclosures, lack of accountability too, but much more, it is their intereference into one’s home, personal marriages to enlarge the relgious empires at any costs it seens.  
Walter was the person who had introduced me to Pentecostalism and even to the great Katherine Khulman, Benny Hynn too, and Walter went to many of Benny Hinn’s services too, and he had asked me to go too
 
Here also is what I know in Canada for sure ; most Catholic and evangelical Pastors tend to think they are very special, unaccountable to anyone but God and FALSELY ARE very arrogant too. Most pastors do not even bother to acknowledge  even as of this week letters, email sent to them as well AND I  find that very surprising when the News media personnel, editors and  reporters, Ministers, MPs do often write back to me.. but not the  supposedly Christian  Evangelcial, Pentecostal pastors, and I rarely get a letter from them  unless it is clearly a condemnation of something bad that I  had posted about them on the net, such as them being drunks, alcoholics. but I got a few of those too.
I admit I have also  been really surprised for decades in Canada as to how crooked also now too many non profitable, religious, charitable organizations now are well, the Salvation Army as well as the other professionals themselves such as lawyers, accountants, realtors, pastors and I have said that now many times too and why.
In reality too many people unsupervised, left on their own will continue to cheat, lies, steal, abuse others, the pastors and cops, politicians included now. They all need to be regulated, supervised by the governments and some now rightfully ofteneven arrested too. A man’s enemies, bullies and thieves will be those persons even from his own family or Church are still a reality too.  http://pbulow.tripod.com/reality.html
I had also attended a Latter Rain Movement Church for while too, loved it, and it’s theology was great too.. But I know from many years of Canadian experiences that 70 percent of Christian pastors are bad, hypocrites, pretenders.. in all denominations..
and I think that people who are so called experts on something they have never experienced are still just big liars, hypocrites, bullies, false teachers, false prophets..
Now I have no problem with any church collecting the tithe as long as they give an  honest, detailed account of where the money was  being spent which in fact too often is not done these days, especially in the Christian Missionary Alliance Churches, or the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada where the churches are not local, congregationally run or owned, rather they are an incorporated Corporation, corruption existing mainly it seems to provide security and jobs for their pastors.. etc., Sadly the donations, the incomes, the Monies – filthy lucre, for some reasons too often do not reach designated targets and are secretly diverted elsewhere as well and undeniably too.  http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/secret-tithing/
Furthermore for  a start most churches ask you to the, give ten percent of your income to the church, but tithing is also an old testament concept and not enforceable in the new testament. In the old testament the tithers, and those who received the tithers had to insure that 1/7 of the donations were given to the local poor people. So I asked any church that advocated tithe that they prove as well they have kept this Biblical requirements, for almost none do it for it start. On top of that any clergy receiving tithing in the old testament was not allowed to own any real estate , tangible property too. If you are going to preach the law here on tithing too, then you yourself should observe all of it, not just mostly steal the tithe. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/secret-tithing/
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Also  Jesus never sold one Sermon of his, nor the Apostles, or any of their books, … so I rightfully cannot stand those greedy, money lusting charlatans who clearly try to make money by selling Christian literature, tapes, music, or what ever on the subject of Prophecy, healing, etc., .. and no matter what their excuses are now too.. Jesus said as you have freely received so freely give. And that is what I have done the last 4 decades too… and so should we all, trusting in the Faith for God to supply our needs, not begging for money, or wrongfully stealing by pretending to be a non profitable tax exempt corporation, organization basically so not to pay taxes as well.. How greedy can you get and pretend it to be Christian now too is the game many wrongfully play too even by Church pastors, elders, deacons….
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You would be surprised how many Protestant, Catholics, evangelicals, and cults like Mormons practise tax evasion now too.. much too many for a start too.

I have often said, asked that they should in fairness not discriminate and investigate not just all of the civil, public servants, politicians, in reality but also all of the pastors, evangelists, preachers and annual now fairly in all of the denominations not just a few Pentecostal ones  even for alcoholism, drug usage,  possible tax evasions, abuse of donated funds, lies, slander.. but it never will happen sadly.. too many politicians who are likely just as bad will likely suppress it all firstly too.  Bad Ministers in the church or bad ministers in the goivernment are both uanccepteble and both should be fired too.

Hospitality tab at Passport Canada costs taxpayers $16,800: document   OTTAWA – Senior cabinet minister Peter MacKay approved a $16,800 hospitality bill for a group of civil servants in an apparent bending of government rules, a newly disclosed document shows
Now there is another common scam I do not like, groups, churches who often choose a valid cause, since the best way to catch fish, suckers is with live bait, and then do next do ask for related donations, money.. this advertised cause tends to be rather an inefficient  self employment creation, and is not a real public services.. for to get most complaints, issues handled properly all you do generally have to do is to post it firstly on the net, and also write to the News media  with copies to the  elected representatives too.
It seems these days that even the citizens, TV evangelists, Pastors, cops, politicians, Ministers tend to be still next equally all bad if left on their own, unsupervised? and rapidly go downhill.  http://pbulow.tripod.com/tithing.html  , https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/the-ttihe/
 
 
“Now the relevance of all this, as brought to the attention of Justice Jarvis the friction between Walter and Sandra about Metro church, is pastor’s Jim Paul and family unauthorized intrusion into Walter’s marriage and life which resulted in a police call to 911 on October 30, 2005 as Jim Paul’s brother in law and sister refused to get out of my home when they barged in uninvited! In addition when Rick Meyers complained in an email to Pastor John Arnott that Jim Paul was not a marriage counselor and had no business or right to counsel only Sandra without Walter’s permission or knowledge, Pastor Steve Long took it upon himself to slander Walter Kambulow to Rick Meyers and refused to retract or substantiate his words in spite of many emails by Mr Kambulow to TACF on the subject ( See Appendix B REJECTION OF NOTICE OF MOTION (Milton) December 27, 2007 Court File No: 6447/07 ) and chose instead to sue Walter Kambulow to try and silence him! ” http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf  and Sandy Kambulow herself is no  godly person as well as I also do know firsthand too.. and  none of these AIRPORT people here are really saints now as well..
“The ignorance of the Bible and the works of the Holy Spirit have placed many people, churches, radio and television ministries, and itinerant ministries in jeopardy for their very existence because they are so desperate for success, numbers and money that they are ready to chase after any experience or anybody whom they think will attract people to them. There are many people today who do not know their Scriptures and the penalties that come from straying away from them. They are like the Sadducees of whom Jesus said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God” (Matt. 22: 29; Mk. 12: 24).”  http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf
Their ignorance of the Bible is alone not the issue, most Christians, church leaders  also wrongfully personally do pick and choose what parts of the Bible they will practice, and which one they will not. All professing Christians daily need to practice what they know, even the ten commandments.
  
Christians doing still dirty works and hiding behind titles, corporate names still is also unacceptable… does not impress me at all.My door bell rang and a person was there asking for donations to World Vision Canada, asking me if I had heard of it? Have I personally heard of it?  a vice president of this corporation that I had personally known, been to his home too had already lied about me, slandered me, spread other people’s lies about me..Like I said many times before God still  expects all professing Christians to live a godly  life, not just pretend they do… God does not overlook human right abuses even by so called Christians now too.. for God is not impressed by what Church they go to, where they work, and what fancy title they may have now as well.
I went to a Church for the first time in the Calgary NW Suburb AND I KNEW AFTER ONE SERVICE THE EVANGELICAL PASTOR WAS A CROOK, A LIAR.. My friends insisted I return to the church, but in the process they had told me that the pastor was lying about me, slandering me to others, even to them as well.. This has often happened to me by pastors of other churches, in Calgary, and in Montréal too, seems the much too many bad pastors like to slander and Gossip. At the next church service I had shared openly with the congregation at the end of the service that their pastor had been accused of lying, slandering me, and even stealing, , misappropriation of funds , lying also by others. The majority of Congregation members disagreed. Ten years later there was a knock on the door of my home and one of the church members told me face to face the same Calgary NW pastor was fired for lying, stealing funds. I always had wondered why it took them so long to see the truth about him?
Why?? most people are bad sheep who follow the leaders, or Ostriches when it comes to negative truths..
“It’s also to be noted that that Superior Court of Ontario heading of the Justice Campbell’s ruling concerning TACF et Al v. Kambulow stated it was a “commercial court” establishing the fact that Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship is a commerce suing Walter Kambulow as a commerce and it is not a church of Jesus Christ!”
 
When I go public I often get threats of a lawsuit, and not just the politicians sending the police to my door, but I do not back off, and I always seem to tell them to go ahead.. the lawsuit will give the matter more publicity too.. and they back off. Snakes seem to  hate the light and exposure.

Can anyone sue for defamation of character/libel/slander for PERSONAL statements made even on the Internet? But if it’s true there is no CASE for defamation or slander. And if it is NOT true they still will have to show specific, related proof of actual damages, not just some supposed potential damages. Furthermore the law still requires that they do reply to all allegations in the manner they had firstly have received them immediately too, within a reasonable period of time, and if they have not bothered to deny, reply to, to object any of the charges of wrong doings, allegations initially, after a reasonable period of time, a maximum of 6 months they not longer can do so, for now it is accepted they are true. Do ALL stop being sue crazy or nicky picky too.

“Thank you for your comment. I will agree with you that it is important to live our lives as God desires for us too. One important point is simply that without reading God’s Word on a regular basis we cannot know exactly how to live.I do have on question for you: Where did you get the stat “70 percent of evangelical pastors are unChristian”? Just curious about that.”
I would not be so quick to deny what I have written now too. As you can read on my many many sites, I have already detailed this there and often too, that I have fellowshipped with many churches, Canada wide too, with many evangelical pastors directly for many many years in Canada, and I too first was surprised as to how many of them openly admitted to even me the names of specific pastors that had committed adultery, even the Baptist and Pentecostals ones. My first senior Christian Missionary alliance pastor John Fitzstevens, had initially had told me 4 decades ago even that that 70 percent of the Canadian, American pastors were ungodly. And I had immediately asked him what he was doing about it personally. I had provided spiritual counseling to his family too.
Next a major US news media had interviewed many evangelical pastors and they had reported that 70 percent of evangelical pastors had had admitted they had committed adultery, and I myself know personally much many evangelical pastors that have committed adultery. I have even directly witnessed them stealing ,money, lying gossiping, slandering too.
I have rarely met any Godly pastors in the last 50 years, I can count those on one hand too.

A Church secretary of a Baptist major denominations in two large Canadian provinces for 3 decades told me firsthand that most of her pastors commit tax evasions, and so does she as well. I myself had witnessed a brethren head church elder reading pornography at an airport, I had witnessed another pastor committing adultery too. I had a witness, backed up with a police report that an evangelical pastor had punched me, physically assaulted me, with no provocation too, and the same thing had happened to my own brother on another occasion and he too had called the police and reported the matter.

Just recently a pastor lied, on his site he had rewrittten what I had said to make the pastors look good and he made it fasely seem as I had written it.  Who did he lie to, Himself that he is even a godly pastor.

But none of this should be a surprise because my first initial shock about 3 decades ago was the unacceptable fact that the undeniable majority of evangelical pastors do, had counseled divorce, and I wanted to know why? and I next had solely rightfully concluded they were basically sex maniacs, and that is why they kept also their divorce options open.

I have posted these facts for the last decade too to all of Canada’s 1000 major politicians, and major news editors, on the net too.

I have had a deputy Minister, the second in command of the province of Alberta tell me face to face how crooked the evangelical pastors in Alberta were, a fact known by many of his colleagues too.

None of the politicians, persons, major news media have ever contradicted back to me on any of this, but you are the first pastor, person to do this too in decades, and I wonder why?

Now since you do really know your Bible you know that the Bible already says says that adultery is God’s punishment to those at whom he is upset at.. and I can think of many bad things that pastors do that upset God… this adultery is all so common and where have you been?

I was next shocked as to how many of them are alcoholics now too.

I have helped to remove many, many bad evangelical church pastors, founding pastors too, for their unrepentant immoralities as well in Canada in the last many years too.

When I do deal with a still unrepentant pastor I also do get a clear vision of their additional major sins, and you should see next their pale faces, holy terror, their shakes and trembling, even that of their spouses when I personally do start to reveal what I do know about them, their unrepentant immoral acts, and they the pastor really do they know that they are reaping what they have sowed.. still most of them, 90 percent do not repent, rather they tend to leave town instead. I do also tell them you will have wished you had listened to me and repented , for next it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God as well.. I can never overcome the fact that most of them think that they cannot be rebuked, corrected, and falsely think that God had overlooked their unacceptable sins because time has passed as well and he did not.

I have helped to remove the federal tax exempt charter of a really bad evangelical church now as well and it closed as a result too

I was sitting in a significant church where the pastor was putting on a show.. so I prayed and asked God as to what he had thought of this pastor, and he had replied that he has the same ability to sin that your brother has. My brother has written two books now that are posted on the net about bad pastors and their sins.

and you would be shocked as to how many Pastors do not pray one hour a day or read their Bible one hour a day.. for they all of persons should be the first ones to do this too.

The Bible, New Testament, Jesus the apostles gives us clear warnings as to the characteristics of the type of persons who  even go out of their way to betray Jesus Christ, including even Judas one of the 12 apostles, the religious Jews, legalists and  Hypocrites, the Scribes and Pharisees such  as Saul , as well as materialistic oriented persons,  and sadly even the professing Christians like Apostle Peter. The betrayal of Jesus was wrongfully also next inflicted upon His Followers  including more  lies, slander, human rights violations, and it will go on today, unless someone opposes it, rightfully stands up against it.

From: Bentley_Chris-MPP-CO Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:01 AM To: Paul Kambulow Cc: attorneygeneral@ontario.ca Subject: RE: about the Pentecostal haters, bashers on the net presently.. Good morning: Thank you for taking the time to contact Chris Bentley’s Constituency Office. I will bring your email to Mr. Bentley’s attention. Since your concerns are a matter for the Attorney General.  I have taken the liberty of forwarding your email to the Ministry of the Attorney General to be responded to.  If you would like to follow up with Mr. Bentley’s Toronto office directly please do not hesitate to contact (416) 326-2220 or 1-800-518-7901 attorneygeneral@ontario.ca. Thank you again,

Ashley Conyngham Constituency Assistant Chris Bentley, MPP London West 8-11 Base Line Road East London, Ontario N6C 5Z8 Tel: (519) 657-3120 Fax: (519) 657-0368 Mobile: (519) 281-2153

Paul Kambulow

Why is still so few Evangelical Pastors in Canada even can be truly honest, tell me the Biblical truth now in regard to? with out falsely even firstly bashing my own spirituality or slandering me? even  like Is there really such as thing as master of household now too?

At least half of my past Ministry has been marriage counseling, and it has often been my being forced to listen, to listen to the complaints about the wife or the husband.. and I often point our or ask does your spouse treat you the way you treat God also? One Complaint I often also hear is that the wife does not obey her Husband and the wife’s response is supposedly justified on the basis “cause he apparently does not love me or he would not give me orders.”Let me say that the Bible says that the wife is to obey her husband in all things and the husband is to love his wife, even if she does not obey him still. “The fact that the divorce rate is of epidemic proportions is an indication of Satan’s activity. As Satan worshipers gather for “prayer” meetings, one of the highest priorities on their prayer lists is for the break-up of marriages. Some of them even make it their “ministry” to go about breaking up marriages or “helping” people to become divorced. In this way he effectively keeps slapping God in the face with his own rebellion. These false worshipers “rejoice” when yet another marriage has ended up in divorce.

When Israel rebelled against God by turning to idols, God repeat- edly referred to it as “adultery.” (Jer 3:8) This is because God views His relationship with His own as a marriage. Full of intimacy. Charac- terizing commitment, loyalty, trust. Furthermore, the act of turning away from God is TREASONOUS! “Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband, So have you dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel,” says the Lord. (Jer 3:20) When a spouse secretly schemes and runs off with a lover he/she has committed treason of the worst kind. Not only have they betrayed trust, but they mock God and His mandate. The “pattern and shadow” of things in heaven. The parallel to the heavenly relationship of the God- head. The representation of Christ’s intimate relationship with His “friends”…the Church. His Bride! “

BELIEVERS TOO ARE OFTEN GUILTY OF TREASON AGAINST GOD! AND OF OTHER MAJOR SINS

All of us can take isolated Bible verses and almost justify, make any kind of conclusions that we want, and is that not so? or some falsely do divert the requested topic by making even false personal attacks and thus falsely hope to try avoid to discuss, to answer the posted questions. But still I we all, each one of us are according to the Bible to confirm everything with the Word of God, and not any mere men’s personal views? on an even fair, directly related scriptural context. let’s be fair in our Bible studies. The Bible says Christ is the head of the Church. The Husband is the head of the home. The wife is the head of what?? nothing? (1 Pet 3:1 KJV) ” Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; ” instead what is happening too often these days is this is no longer accepted as general valid today and why as well now? Before too many persons do falsely try to explain the Bible away the really should still first live it..

For another fact: To me it is really still funny that the secular British and US governmental laws recognize that the Husband is the head of the home, a man’s home is his castle, and that is legally wrong for others to personally meddle in a even Christian husband’s marriage, and they do recognize by law even that such transgressors can be sued in a court of law, but many Christians, even Pastors sadly don’t respect or follow this law clearly. And why is it now too often the case as even I know firsthand now? There are as I have seen, personally detailed before Christian internet sites too that to do ask the wife to list the husband’s sins, faults, without even the husband’s knowledge, behind his back. Can any Pastor, elder counsel falsely still a man’s wife without his knowledge, presence legally or morally?

I had found it hard to believe that some Christians at least would try to distort the truths, even such for example that “a wife was to obey her husband in all things”, without them seriously still next posting rather any full detailed valid scriptural substantiations, even in response.

As false rulers of my household Pastors even falsely said to me that a husband has to obey his wife, others used the out of context verse “submit on to another”.. to justify this well and furthermore does than also mean my wife has to submit now always to your wife in regard to our home, our marriage? now really!!! get real!!! and where does it end. And is this at all practical now too? Submit in love means rather to consider what is being said, taught by others? but still who does make the final family decisions and who is finally responsible for it according to the Bible and not to the false humanistic logic, wishful thinkings? The husband .

Yes we are to love another but not to meddle in other persons marriages, be partial or even false men or falsely become the false women libbers pleasers too

It is still all better if we really look at the Bible passages on rebellion to authority and how many tried to justify it in the BIBLE, Saul, and, Arron, Moses’s sister Miriam as well, and what happened to even Miriam too..

12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

( meddling in one’s married life falsely and clearly ehh)

2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it. 3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) 4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. 5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth. 6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? 9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed. 10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous. 11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned. 12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother’s womb. 13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee. Numbers 12 Is there in Bible even now a stated clear valid reasons where a wife should not obey her husband on a temporary, permanent, general basis according to the Bible?

And who decides if the wife’s disobedience then is also valid, the wife only too?

Did not Esther the great grandmother of Jesus try to obey her husband in all things too?

Is there a denial by any prophet, or Jesus, not the apostles? that this King’s negative commandment of the Queen Vashiti’s banishment, divorce reason was wrong??? For a more detailed example was Queen Vashti right to try to rebel against her husband’s wishes? Note the passage

Esther 1:10 On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine, he commanded Mehuman, Biztha, Harbona, Bigtha, and Abagtha, Zethar, and Carcas, the seven chamberlains that served in the presence of Ahasuerus the king, 11 To bring Vashti the queen before the king with the crown royal, to show the people and the princes her beauty: for she was fair to look on. 12 But the queen Vashti refused to come at the king’s commandment by his chamberlains: therefore was the king very wroth, and his anger burned in him. 13 Then the king said to the wise men, which knew the times, (for so was the king’s manner toward all that knew law and judgment: 14 And the next unto him was Carshena, Shethar, Admatha, Tarshish, Meres, Marsena, and Memucan, the seven princes of Persia and Media, which saw the king’s face, and which sat the first in the kingdom;) 15 What shall we do unto the queen Vashti according to law, because she hath not performed the commandment of the king Ahasuerus by the chamberlains?

15 What shall we do unto the queen Vashti according to law, because she hath not performed the commandment of the king Ahasuerus by the chamberlains? 16 And Memucan answered before the king and the princes, Vashti the queen hath not done wrong to the king only, but also to all the princes, and to all the people that are in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus. 17 For this deed of the queen shall come abroad unto all women, so that they shall despise their husbands in their eyes, when it shall be reported, The king Ahasuerus commanded Vashti the queen to be brought in before him, but she came not. 18 Likewise shall the ladies of Persia and Media say this day unto all the king’s princes, which have heard of the deed of the queen. Thus shall there arise too much contempt and wrath. 19 If it please the king, let there go a royal commandment from him, and let it be written among the laws of the Persians and the Medes, that it be not altered, That Vashti come no more before king Ahasuerus; and let the king give her royal estate unto another that is better than she.

is this a valid Biblical Instruction now still to even all of us too? Christians too?

was not the rebellious act of Miriam opposed by God himself too?

What no believers are smart enough to deal with this topic you rather want the secular courts to deal with it still? that too is contrary to the Bible ehh

I corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Please do tell me if such discussions or such daily practical topics really now being discouraged falsely still?

(Jer 13:23 KJV) Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

(Prov 16:25 KJV) There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

and you can gladly reply to any of it providing you also quote the verses in full that you refer to..

I was visiting in Montreal when God spoke to me and said a NW  Calgary Evangelical ALLIANCE Church Pastor was bad mouthing me. I admit I got upset and said Lord why right did he have to do that? God replied that the did not share this truth to upset me but rather for me to give God permission to deal with it. Within a few days of my return to Calgary I read next in the local newspaper that one of the Sunday school teacher under the same pastor had been arrested for sexual molestation of the boys in his Sunday School class. The same Pastor now was too busy worried about his own reputation,  to be bad mouthing me now too.
 
LET ME TELL YOU FIRSTLY THAT STILL THE MOST IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP YOU CAN HAVE DAILY IS NOT AT ALL WITH YOUR LOCAL CHURCH, DENOMINATION BUT RATHER WITH GOD, JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH PRAYER, BIBLE STUDY, REPENTANCE….. AND HOW IS THAT RELATIONSHIP NOW? 
Heavenly Father I pray that you will help all, all of the persons involved to look up to you, to trust in you alone firstly to supply all of their needs, to help them and not in any person wrongfully as well. Supply the poor people what they need through the persons  of your choice, not ours and through your means not ours..
(James 1:27 KJV)  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.   (Deu 15:11 KJV)  For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.  (Phil 2:4 KJV)  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.  (Mat 25:34 KJV)  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35   For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
PSALM 13: 5  But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation.  6  I will sing unto the LORD, because he hath dealt bountifully with me.
 
(Jer 6:27 KJV)  I have set thee for a tower and a fortress among my people, that thou mayest know and try their way. 28 They are all grievous revolters, walking with slanders: they are brass and iron; they are all corrupters. 29  The bellows are burned, the lead is consumed of the fire; the founder melteth in vain: for the wicked are not plucked away. 30  Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them.
  
(1 Corinthians 13:1 KJV)    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3  And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4  Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5  Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6  Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7  Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8  Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11  When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13  And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. 14:1  Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
(Luke 17:3 KJV)  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
 
(Phil 2:15 KJV)  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(2 Tim 4:2 KJV)  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
 
(Titus 1:13 KJV)  This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
 
(Titus 2:15 KJV)  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
The also bad pastors of the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship – the home of the liars and perjurers John Arnott and Steve Long – have never denied my written charges of their own wrong doings now too.. and they cannot.
In reality neither side is in the right in this ungodly, unholy war..
“They are also upset because this former member has asked” .. this is not true Walter was never a member of this TACF group, he may have attended one or 2 of their services, .. For Walter he is a loner.. the last many years.. the last Church he Walter was a member of was Montreal LaSalle trinity Pentecostal church, and the Full Gospel business men’s fellowship where he had resigned from..
Walter had asked “ for the good of all Canadians and the rule of law, the Honorable Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, through the different Canadian Government agencies, should order an immediate investigation of this nonprofit charity Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and ensure that it’s nonprofit corporation status be revoked especially as the executives of TACF have used the charity to pay off their mortgages and purchase luxury cars tax free. ”
and there is nothing wrong now in this request.. I also have rightfully have asked that all churches in the US and in Canada be annually investigated for fraud now too.. even the PAOC, the CMA, Evangelicals etc.. in this regard..” https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/the-ttihe/  http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry/#comment-29644
Still today Quebec’s official welcome to non-Catholic immigrants  in addition to the huge crucifix atop Mount Royal in Montreal are wall mounted crucifix and their public prayers. Quebec’s Catholics special religious rights  goes back to the Quebec Act of 1774, and is central to the asymmetrical features of Confederation in the British North America Act of 1867. This The Quebec Act explicitly guaranteed the freedom to practice the Catholic faith. It also restored French civil law alongside the British common law even till today. Furthermore, the Quebec Act allowed Catholics to hold public office, and removed a reference to the Protestant denomination in the office holders’ oath of allegiance to the king of England. It also allowed the Catholic church to collect the religious tax known as the tithe… 
 
and look I  am not aksing for any support, money, donations,  membership..  and Jesus himelf, the way, the truth and the life,  is the only person I do  want you to follow.

It is still up to the courts or the Human Rights commissions  firstly to confirm, to define what is actually libelous, slanderous, a hate email message..  and someone’s else’s  statement and opinions  on the subject does not count. But to be on the safe side if you want to avoid court costs, ligation, if you are unsure if what you write is libel, slanderous, prosecutable better not post it on the net. Wrongfully accusing someone of posting a hate message or being a racists clearly can  be challenged in courts as a hate message itself and prosecutable.

ALSO see

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/ontario-judge-orders-website-to-reveal-identity/ http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/distortions-lies-false-critiques/ http://theredreader.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/intro/ http://theredreader.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/i-can-say/ https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/am-i-therefore-become-your-enemy/ https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/parrots http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/real-actions-speak-louder-than-mere-words/ https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/free-collection-of-christian-literature/ http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/rev-george-muller/

Do visit all of my sites at wordpress.com now too

For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last  40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/real-actions-speak-louder-than-mere-words/ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/slow-to-learn/ http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/too-often-false-bash-of-pentacostals-healers/

Many people write half truths, these half truths still do not make liars into honest men..
So far nothing has caused me to change my views on the subject.
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  1. […] despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do see also https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/ http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/assemblies-of-god-pentecostals/   “I just quickly […]

    I was really surprised that most evangelcial pastors are control freaks too.. who meddle into homes now too.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
    http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/the-spin-game-evangelicals-and-their-leaders-pastors-do-play-now/

    THE MAN KING OF THE HOUSE, THE WOMAN HIS DUTIFUL SUBJECT. The man is the king of the household, and the wife is only the prime minister. There is no confusion or overlapping of authority. The will of the husband is law. He has the only place of honor . The arrangements of the house, the company entertained, and the service employed, all have respect to his wishes and to his convenience. The wife conducts the affairs of state for the king. She has her household and, more than her personal allowance, and she renders a strict account of stewardship. The wife’s personal expenditures are less, much less than the husband’s. The will of the husband is the undisputed law; as to the wife her person, her property, her children under his sole control even to the present time are the rights secured to the husband under present English law. Like it or not but these laws were based on the Bible, which states (Eph 5:23 KJV) ” For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”

    and most Evangelical pastors DO need to recognize, preach AND PRACTICE this still too.

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  2. […] and like many other Pentecostals, Alliance, Baptist, Evangelcial Churches they falsey do not include helping poor people in their own churches as an essential Christian doctrine now too? why? (Rom 15:26 KJV) For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. (2 Cor 9:9 KJV) (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. (Gal 2:10 KJV) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. (James 2:5 KJV) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? (James 2:6 KJV) But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

    Do see also  https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/ […]

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  3. 50% of Sermons Are Not Biblical http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/02/_50_of_modern_s.php “Preaching the Gospel is not acceptable to living it. All pastors still do need to read the Bible for one hour a day at least, and pray for one hour a day at least. Almost 80 % of them do not. At least 50 percent of Church and TV, Internet sermons thus are unbiblical because most pastors do not use or read the Bible itself. Great, big Church pastors even steal their sermons from others as I have witnessed firsthand too. I interviewed personally 45 evangelical pastors in one city, Calgary Alberta, and none of them even used the Bible in their counseling ministry with their members and adherents. We have too many impostors, hirelings in the Ministry, bad persons not directly called by God to minister and that is why they also do cheat, lie, steal, commit adultery, tax evasions and abuse others, slander as well. Posted by: Paul Kambulow at April 16, 2006

    Now the supposedly Pentecostal liars of the TCAF a “family run and owned” religious nonprofit Corporations/organizations/ministries does still need to seriously repent of their lies and slanders and apologize for them for Walter Kambulow had never been kicked out from the Lasalle trinity Pentecostal church as they have claimed and the same bad Ontario pastors next even had bashed me for being divorced.. Unacceptable Do have the Ontario human rights commission prosecute them all for this too.

    Sunday December 16, 2007
    To the Prime Minster of Canada Stephen Harper

    Hey I admit it to you all that my own twin brother Walter was the one who had taught me on now to deal with the crooks in Canada.. Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty serves everyone’s best interest now also by writing letters… and he also said if I was being wrongfully abused I shout loudly shout rape so all can know about it too. Now my brother is also another bad unacceptable abuser, I do know that firsthand he robbed me, abused me, lied about me and slandered me etc..

    But when I see my brother Walter now using terms like Rape in his posts.. someone has really wrongfully abused him and I too would like to know who they are.. and what is rightfully being done about it too.

    Now you already do know about the past Calgary Christian center church, run by clearly the bad no good, slandering, thieving pastor David lagore, and family a Canadian Pentecostal “family run and owned” religious nonprofit church Corporation, organization, ministry as I had witnessed , detailed to the news media and the federal government too, that was investigated by the federal Government and others also and it’s incorporation was rightfully removed by the federal government too. So I am not surprised by these new allegations my brother now makes against the same Pentecostals groups, even the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada.. Most people who attend an evangelical church and donate money to it do rightfully think it is a congregational church, owned and run by the members of the church and not shockingly to find next rather it is a dictatorial, one many ministry owned by the pastor himself.. a fact generally not disclosed or advertised to the donators.. so there is not real accountability of the bad pastor’s acts next as well.

    “Why is it that permissible for prominent Pentecostal Pastors such as TACF’s John Arnott and Steve Long to make and publish proven lies about a private individual and stranger Mr. Kambulow, a man of integrity, including:

    – Walter is as bad as they come ( as bad as his accusers? maybe more like it)
    -He has been disciplined by several churches in his past for rebellion and blames every and all churches he has every been a part of. ( this is a lie.. Walter has been disciplined in one church and forced to resign in another the FGBMFI )
    -The way that he slanders his wife in public is horrendous. ( Walter does not slander his wife Sandy in Public, the reference should be rather to my rightfully complaint how my own bad immoral, adulterous wife Norma Florence Kambulow who firstly has lied about me unsubstantiated in all of her divorce applications and you all have a copy of those letters of my complaints now too already.)
    -and if he had been a part of our church, which he wasn’t; I would be all over for him for slander. ;
    -He is not a part of our church so we are not responding to him-
    -He was a former member of TACF ( Neither he or i was)
    -He is divorced ( he is not rather his twin Brother Paul is the one divorced)

    Since when is this lying and slandering about us by the church pastors still permissible ?”

    Hey this is unacceptable fact to too many people have confused me and my twin brother and next even have wrongfully slandered about us in churches for the last 40 years.. starting with the clearly bad Christians at Bethel Baptist Church in Vile St. Lauren Quebec, next the bad Christians at the Calgary Christian Center.. where I was told I had been removed from being a member of the church, and yet I was never a member of it. I just lived across the street from it and attending it .. yes my own personally experiencing with too many bad evangelical pastors in Canada is they do lie, slander, gossip about me or my brother.. including the pastor at Trinity Pentecostal church Ken Bombay who next repent of it, asked for our forgiveness and we became friends with him.. The bad Pastor Rev Gordon Freeland Bethel Baptist Church had admitted to me that he was upset because he could not divide, or control me and my twin brother.

    >>… Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley announced a Senate investigation into whether six televangelists violated their organizations’ tax-exempt status by living lavishly on the money small donors had contributed

    Me I had next wrote to you as well and have said that all the churches, corporations should be rightfully investigated, even for tax evasions, not just these six..

    and yes Walter uses the same approach he taught me to use, he write open letters and posts them openly on the net too.. http://www.richardcleaver.com/?cat=3 and http://cnt10.tripod.com/tblaw.htm

    Do deal with this all, rightfully these bad Canadian pastors. Let us all know what you have done about it too.

    Comment by thenonconformer — July 4, 2008 @ 9:11 am

  4. Bad people try to do many things.. if others let them do it as well..

    Bad pastors, bad elders continue to exist cause likely the congregation is bad too. (Jer 5:31 KJV) The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    No we ALL cannot STOP, take the ostrich approach under the guise of love to the definite bad acts of others, we as Christians are still called to be fruit inspectors of those who profess to be Christians ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY RARELY QUOTE IT in actual context OR LIVE THE BIBLE THEY CLAIM THEY BELIEVE IN-

    (Gen 31:42 KJV) Except the God of my father, the God of Abraham, and the fear of Isaac, had been with me, surely thou hadst sent me away now empty. God hath seen mine affliction and the labour of my hands, and rebuked thee yesternight.

    (Lev 19:17 KJV) Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

    (Neh 5:7 KJV) Then I consulted with myself, and I rebuked the nobles, and the rulers, and said unto them, Ye exact usury, every one of his brother. And I set a great assembly against them.

    (Psa 119:21 KJV) Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

    (Prov 24:25 KJV) But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

    (Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love.

    (Eccl 7:5 KJV) It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

    (Mat 17:18 KJV) And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

    (Mark 1:25 KJV) And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

    (Mark 4:39 KJV) And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

    (Mark 8:33 KJV) But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

    (1 Tim 5:20 KJV) Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

    (2 Tim 4:2 KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

    (Titus 1:13 KJV) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

    (Titus 2:15 KJV) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

    (Heb 12:5 KJV) And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

    (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    Comment by thenonconformer — July 4, 2008 @ 2:48 pm

  5. […] and perjurers including John Arnott and Steve Long – are upset for being exposed for what they truly are https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/ Creative accounting or more falsehoods? […]

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  7. Reference: “Fraud, Embezzlement, Illegal Tax Free Benefits By The Executives of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship John Arnott and Steve Long

    Federal tax law prohibits religious leaders, as the heads of tax-exempt nonprofit institutions, from earning “unreasonable compensation.” It also prohibits tax-exempt organizations from providing “substantial benefit” to individuals – Kent Garber

    Canada has strong hate laws! And TACF words and lawsuit against Walter Kambulow and his family is a hate crime.

    Aird & Berlis did their Client Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott and Steve Long a disservice by trying to bury their “ financial and hate crimes” and by trying to destroy Mr. Kambulow, the whistleblower, using the court system instead of telling their client to come clean!

    To Whom It May Concern,

    Further to my letter of July 03, 2008 to the Crown Attorney for the Province of Ontario on the subject “Criminal Activities of Howard Winkler and Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship” I would like to bring to your attention for the immediate investigation of financial crimes and hate crimes by the executives of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship John Arnott and Steve Long.

    We have here obvious Fraud, Embezzlement, Illegal Tax Free Benefits by the Executives of a religious nonprofit charity incorporated under federal statue using their nonprofit charity and pay off their own mortgage tax free and buy corvettes and charge anything they want to their charity? http://cnt10c.tripod.com/tb.htm?

    This is obviously a criminal activity because Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship is a religious nonprofit a corporation with John Arnott as the President and Steve Long as Vice President and as such cannot raise money for each other! But they have provided “substantial benefit” to themselves which is illegal and against the law and here it the proof in Steve Long letter posted at : http://www.fstdt.com/forums/thread.aspx?t=15245 and included below.

    And then these executives of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott and Steve Long, have been using their “Bay Street” solicitors, who are charged directly to their nonprofit corporation, to harass a Canadian citizen, Walter Kambulow, Engineer, with an illegal $ 50 million lawsuit, contempt motions and threats and character assassination without every intending to go to trial just to shut up the Whistleblower?

    Since Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship is a Federal religious nonprofit religious charity and its financial and hate crime as detailed by Mr. Kambulow brief submitted to the Superior Court of Ontario in Brampton/Peel (See files on web http://rmtacf.tripod.com/walter1.pdf http://rmtacf.tripod.com/walter3.pdf and Liars and Perjurers in Revival http://tbtacf.tripod.com/revival.pdf ) it along with its executives must be investigated by the Federal Crown Attorney and it’s nonprofit charter removed by the Government of Canada!

    It is a fact that Mr.. Kambulow has on numerous occasions through various means has brought to the attention of the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and it’s Solicitors Aird & Berlis that Canada has strong hate laws and that “hate crimes and public remarks about a private individual Walter Kambulow” such as the one made on April 25, 2008 by the Vice President/Senior Pastor of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, Steve Long, are criminal:

    Walter is as bad as they come

    He has been disciplined by several churches in his past for rebelllion and blames every and all churches he has every been a part of.

    The way that he slanders his wife in public is horendous.

    and if he had been a part of our church, which he wasn’t; I wold be all over for him for slander. ;

    He is not a part of our chrch so we are not responding to him-

    And Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott and Steve Long have refused till this day to take back their hateful words or substantiate them and must be also charged with a hate crimes under the hate crime code of Canada. It is also a fact that their $ 50 million lawsuit against Walter Kambulow and his family is a hate crime.

    So I request that you and your colleagues take my complaints about Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott and Steve Long seriously and investigate them immediately for their real financial and hate crimes for the good of all Canadians as we cannot have this kind of crimes and lawlessness go unchallenged and unabated?

    Regards

    Walter Kambulow

    Cc The Honourable Robert Nicholson,Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada Fax (613) 954-0811
    Minister of Finance: Hon. James Michael FLAHERTY Fax 613 992-8356The Honourable Gordon O’Connor Minister of National Revenue Fax 613 952-6608
    Mr. William V. Baker Commissioner Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) 613 952-6608
    Canada Revenue Agency 905-984-4829
    Crown Attorney Provincial Fax 905-456-4780
    News Media
    File

    Help A Pastor Pay His Mortgage!

    Federal tax law prohibits religious leaders, as the heads of tax-exempt nonprofit institutions, from earning “unreasonable compensation.” It also prohibits tax-exempt organizations from providing “substantial benefit” to individuals – Kent Garber

    http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/02/15/investigating-televangelist-finances_print.htm

    Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship is a religious nonprofit a corporation with John Arnott as the President and Steve Long as Vice President and as such cannot raise money for each other! But they have provided “substantial benefit” to themselves which is illegal and against the law and here it the proof in Steve Long letter posted at : http://www.fstdt.com/forums/thread.aspx?t=15245.

    #187934 Help a Pastor Pay His Mortgage!

    I received this letter a few years ago, and for some odd reason, namely fair use, I decided not to make this public. Then, a few days ago, I figured “why not” and have decided to share this wonderful little letter with you. Isn’t it great that you can help someone pay his $100,000 mortgage for being such a Godly man!

    Dear friend,

    Let me share with you a great opportunity to honour someone!

    I am writing on behalf of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship to let you know our Senior Pastor, John Arnott is about to have a birthday. Not only is he having a birthday, but this next one is when he turns 65! John’s birthday is on Christmas day, December 25th, 2005.

    Earlier this year, some of the guys in John’s cell met to talk about how to honour John on this special day. We had some ideas. We thought of sending John and Carol on a trip. No, they already travel too much. We thought of buying John a corvette as he often talks of owning a sports car.

    Well, being a married man, I have learned that the safest thing to do is talk to a woman. So I talked to Carol and told her that we wanted to honour John in some way. Carol thought the idea was great and she began to probe as to what John would like to do next year id he had any extra money..

    At almost every discussion she had, John stated that he would love to pay off their house mortgage and be personally debt free. For those of you who don’t attend TACF, let me tell you a little tradition that John began 5 years ago.

    My wife Sandra had a dream many years ago about us getting a house. In the Toronto area, like in other cities, if you don’t have two incomes, you usually can’t afford a house. We made the choice for Sandra to stay home while our children were small, meaning that we rented a house. One day the Lord spoke to us about our home and said that if we were to give away towards someone else’s home that He would give us one.

    We were already in debt on our credit card and this was really a step of faith. We borrowed $1,000 and asked God to bless our gift a with a 100% increase. The very night we gave away the seed, John Arnott had a dream about helping us buy a house! Several weeks later, John took a second offering for us at TACF to help us buy a home.

    There was no notice given ahead of time and it was a holiday weekend. Our church family enthusiastically responded and gave us $102,000 and the keys to a car! Amazing!

    Well, since then we have taken second offerings about once a year for our pastors who don’t have a house. We have been able to bless John and Patricia Bootsma (now pastoring John and Carol’s first congregation in Stratford ON), Darrin and Daphne Clarke (our children’s pastors), Will and Madeline Walker (they headed up our Prayer and Care department) and Stuart and Lynley Allan (operations and prophetic).

    So, to say happy birthday to John, Carol is suggesting that we also help them to pay off their home. They have a little over $100,000 left on their mortgage and we would love to surprise John on Christmas Sunday by burning their mortgage. If there is more money than we need, we can also get him the car!

    Included in this letter is an envelope for you to send a birthday gift to John and Carol. Please make cheque payable to “Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship”. If you live in Canada or America, we are able to provide a tax receipt for you. If you want your gift to be tax free to John, please specify that you do not require a tax receipt for your gift.

    Ideally, we are looking to have all the gifts returned to us by December 15th so that we can head tot he bank with Carol to pay off the mortgage.

    There are two other things I’d like you to join with us on. The first is that we are putting together a massive birthday card for John. We would love to include your greeting to John. We are asking that you send a note, no longer than 50 words, to my e-mail address at tacf.org If you don’t have e-mail, you are welcome to include a note with your gift.

    The second item that we’d like you to include is a photograph of yourself so that John is able to identify you. Many of you he knows by name, but there are far more of you who know him. If you can add the photo to the email, that would be ideal, otherwise it can also be included in the envelope.

    Would you join us at TACF in honoring John Arnott? John for many of you has become a spiritual father, He and Carol has blessed you through their conference ministry, itinerant travel and television ministry. Many of you have had John and Carol pray for you and impart our Father’s blessings.

    I am looking forward to a very busy December as our team put together this birthday card! I look forward to hearing from you and receiving your photo, your greeting and your gift towards paying off John’s mortgage! Remember this is a surprise so no talking to John!

    Bless you and thank you for letting me share on behalf of the congregation at Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship.

    Steve Long
    Senior Associate Pastor. (TACF)

    You may shred at will!

    Letter submitted to the Superior Court of Ontario

    July 2, 2008

    Ontario Superior Court of Justice
    70 Wellington St.
    Brantford, Ontario
    N3T 2L9

    Re Kambulow vs Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship et al. v Court File DC-08-033-00

    A liar, perjurer and scoundrel such as Howard Winkler is not qualified to represent proven liars, thieves an perjurers such as Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott and Stephen Long or maybe he is?

    Attention: Presiding Justice for July 16, 2008 Return of Motion

    SUBJECT: DISQUALIIFICATION OF HOWARD WINKLER FROM THE CASE

    You Honor

    Mr. Kambulow, the Plaintiff, requests that Howard Winkler, Senior Solicitor, representing Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott, and Steve Long, be immediately removed by the Court from any lawsuit involving Walter Kambulow, for being a liar and a perjurer as demonstrated by his words before Justice Mossip on June 6,2008 in regard to Kambulow vs TACF.

    Mr. Kambulow wrote to the Prime Minster of Canada the Honorable Stephen Harper of April 22, 2008, as well as the Government of Canada and the news media, and stated:

    Mr. Kambulow would be more than pleased to give concrete examples of all this to the Superior Court of Ontario of their lawlessness and lies including the fact that on January 15, 2008 TACF’s Solicitor Pamela Miehls promised Justice Clark to give Mr. Kambulow within ten days a statement of defense as ordered by Justice Clarke in regard to Kambulow v Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship et al

    http://tacf.tripod.com/transcriptjc.pdf

    Page 24

    THE COURT: So you’re going to do your Statement of Defence, you’re going to serve him by email, …

    MS. MIEHLS: Correct.

    Page 27

    THE COURT: Transferring to Toronto — okay, thank you – and consolidating. Okay, I’ve got it. I’m going to make that order.

    Now, with regard to the Statement of Defence to be served and filed by email, as agreed, within ten days of today’s order?

    MS. MIEHLS: That’s fine, Your Honour.

    And later TACF’s Solicitor, Howard Winkler, a litigation specialist, lied and told the Superior Court Justice Mossip on June 6,2008 that TACF, John Arnott and Stephen Long never promised to serve and file by email a Statement of Defense to Walter Kambulow as ordered by Justice Clarke on January 15, 2008. Amazing how Mr. Winkler could lie so freely in court?

    It also appears to the Plaintiff, Mr. Kambulow, that Howard Winkler is the Architect of a $ 50 million dollar lawsuit against the Plaintiff that is based on proven lies and perjury! The attached “Factum of the Plaintiff” dated July 4, 2008 has evidence to lies, perjury, thievery and criminal activities of the Plaintiff’s including financial and hate!

    In their lawsuit filed in the Superior Court of Ontario in Toronto, Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship et al. v Kambulow Court File 07-CV-342052PD3 the Plaintiffs stated THAT TACF AND IT’S PASTORS

    have suffered and will continue to suffer damages, their character and reputation, personally and in the way of their profession, office or calling, have wrongly been brought into public disrepute, their public and general reputation has been and will continue to be seriously damaged, and they have been subjected to embarrassment, ridicule and contempt.

    have had and will continue to have a detrimental effect on the ability of TACF to continue to serve its members and on the ability of Amott and Long to continue to perform their work as pastors

    Mr. Kambulow wrote on June 25, 2008 TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the news media on the subject: How can proven thieves, liars, perjurers, backstabbers, cowards and Pastors of Canadian nonprofit charity Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship sue anybody or talk about the law or justice? and pointed out:

    THE LIE AND PERJURY HERE IS THAT Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and it’s Pastors John Arnott and Steve Long have not suffered and continued to suffer damages, their character and reputation, personally and in the way of their profession, office or calling, have wrongly been brought into public disrepute, their public and general reputation has been and will continue to be seriously damaged, and they have been subjected to embarrassment, ridicule and contempt AND COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT GIVE THE COURT ANY PROOF THAT THEIR STATEMENT OF CLAIM AS TRUE.

    THE LIE AND PERJURY HERE IS THAT the emails and words of Walter Kambulow about Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and it’s Pastors John Arnott and Steve Long have had no detrimental effect on the ability of TACF to continue to serve its members and on the ability of Amott and Long to continue to perform their work as pastors AND COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT GIVE THE COURT ANY PROOF THAT THEIR STATEMENT OF CLAIM AS TRUE.

    Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship John Arnott and Steve Long deliberately and willful gave false, misleading, or incomplete testimony under oath to the court to try and silence and destroy Walter Kambulow because he was telling the world that TACF corporation was John Arnott’s cash cow to support his lavish lifestyle.

    SO HOW CAN SO CALLED MEN ON GOD MEN OF INTEGRITY DELIBERATELY LIE AND PERJURY THEMSELVES IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT UNDER OATH TO THE COURT ABOUT THINGS THAT NEVER HAPPENED?????

    They are not men of God, men of integrity but liars, thieves and perjurers who used and use their personal family owned and run Pentecostal charity to pay off their own mortgages and buy themselves new cars – see http://cnt10c.tripod.com/tb.htm

    The attached “Factum of the Plaintiff” dated July 4, 2008 also discusses the TACF DIRTY TRICKS AND LIES IN COURT TRIAGES AND MOTIONS that were done by Howard Winkler on behalf of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott and Stephen Long.

    Mr. Kambulow also wrote on June 25, 2008 TO THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the news media on the subject: Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, John Arnott, Steve Long and their supporters continue to believe in and practice lying and lawlessness which pointed out Howard Winkler’s lie and perjury amongst other things!

    Hence Howard Winkler proven lying words and unscrupulous deeds disqualify him from this court case or any other case involving Mr. Kambulow as it is obvious he has no morals or qualm about doing negative things to achieve a desired end! And we cannot have this kind of thing in Ontario Superior Court of Justice otherwise the Justice tacitly by doing nothing approve lawlessness, injustice and immorality?

    As a result, Mr. Kambulow requests Mr. Howard Winkler be immediately disbarred from the Court by your Honor for this motion or any other matter concerning Mr. Walter Kambulow as we cannot have in Canada Solicitors taking their liberty to openly lie to Superior Court Justices just to win their case and ignore seeing true justice come about!

    Walter Kambulow
    http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/church_issues/fraud_embezzlement_illegal_benefits.htm

    Comment by thenonconformer — August 7, 2008 @ 7:40 am

  8. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/thedeezone-175228/

    To DH http://thedeezone.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/revival-and-evangelism/
    […] Firstly in kindness real what facts of you have to deny this? The 30 percent ungodly divorce rate amongst evangelicals and the 70 percent ungodly evangelical pastors who counsel  divorce too? Or the mostly only Pentecostal major TV ministries under investigations by a US senator? and what not the rest in fairness now too? Do read my sites.. about the Bad Christian Missionary Alliance church, about the bad pastors at the Toronto airport Christian fellowship church too. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/

    When Good Preachers Make Bad Pastors: Bringing Balance to Pastoral Ministry
    Jim Pile Associate Pastor, Pastoral Care Grace Community Church
    While preaching is an indispensable part of our role as pastors in shepherding people at a corporate level, shepherding people individually is just as vital in our work for the kingdom.
    . Before we look at principles for shepherding others, we, as pastors can fail in ministry if we don’t keep building on the right “foundation.” What is that foundation? It’s the Word of God as it relates to our own lives. Before we can lead with excellence, we must walk in a manner worthy of our calling.
    . Personal holiness is a foundational requirement for true and powerful spiritual leadership.
    – 1 Peter 1:15-16 “But like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, ‘You shall be holy, for I am holy.'”
    – “A minister may fill his pews, his communion roll, the mouths of the public, but what that minister is on his knees in secret before God Almighty, that he is and no more”
    (John Owen, cited in I.D.E. Thomas, A Puritan Golden Treasury [Edinburgh: Bannerof Truth, 1977], 192).
    . If personal holiness is a key to effective shepherding, then the following are some common temptations that pastors need to be on the alert for:

    I. THE SHEPHERD’S TEMPTATIONS

    1. Covetousness
    – Watch out for coveting someone else’s success in ministry!
    – Watch out for praise! People praise your sermons/voice/etc. You want more! This abnormal love of praise is a form of covetousness which is as fatal as the greed for money.

    2. Carelessness
    – Watch out for putting programs over people. “I’m awfully busy!”
    – Don’t say to the invalid – “I’ll go tomorrow!”
    – Don’t say to the grieving – My next project is more critical to work on today.
    – Don’t say to the wandering sheep – “I’ll go after them later!”

    3. Money
    – Watch out for desire for money or the lack of it.
    – Beware making ministry choices based upon getting more money or else having a smoldering attitude toward the church because you don’t get paid enough. [Titus 1:7 – “not given to filthy lucre” (KJV).]
    – Don’t become a “hireling” .lacking a shepherd’s heart.working for pay.eyes ever on his wages.his deepest motive is financial gain. His god is self.
    – Paul in Acts 20:33-35 – “I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or clothes. You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my own needs and to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'”

    4. Power
    – Innate in the souls of men
    – Leaders are ambitious men but beware:
    o Loving prominence (Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10)
    o Craving distinction
    o Desiring exalted rank
    We need to have the attitude of John the Baptist, “He must increase but I must decrease” (John 3:30).

    5. Cynicism
    – Beware being hardened by ministry.frustrations over people who don’t change.
    “God’s people who treat you worse than the world.”
    – Beware when no testimony thrills you anymore, no sermon moves you, no bookmotivates you, or you haven’t read one for quite some time.

    6. Success/ Business
    – Watch out when your church grows.more meetings, less devotions
    – Don’t become CEOs; don’t become managers instead of ministers
    – Beware more pragmatism than doctrine, more style than substance, more denominational politics than doctrine.
    7. Sexual sin
    – Beware sexual sin! It consumes ministers at an alarming rate!
    – Statistics on Pastors/ Sexual Sin
    . A survey conducted by Christianity Today of its readership in August 2000 revealed that 33% of clergy have visited a sexually explicit Internet site at least once within the past year, of which 53% have done so “a few times.” The survey also revealed that 18% had visited pornographic sites between “a couple of times a month” and “more than once a week” (Christianity Today, March 5, 2001, 44-45).
    . 75% of pastors do not make themselves accountable to anyone for their Internet use. (“Leadership” Magazine, “Pastors and Internet Pornography,”
    Winter 2001. 2000 Survey, 564 respondents)
    . High number of pay-for-view pornographic videos at hotels hosting conferences for pastors. Remove the T.V.

    8. Pride (God and people hate this sin the most.)
    – Don’t ever think too highly of yourself and your gifts.
    – James 4:6 “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.”
    – The greater the influence God gives a pastor, the greater he becomes in his own sight.
    – “My ministry,” not God’s!
    – Some new or strange doctrine that is not biblical.
    “At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is our greatest enemy and humility our greatest friend” (John Stott, in Alive to God, p. 119).
    . You know of ministers who have fallen or given in to some of these temptations. Within 5 years, ½ of seminary graduates drop out of ministry. Only 1 in 20 remain at 65 years old!
    Some of you here today are struggling with some of these temptations. And if you are thinking “I’ll never fall to any of these temptations,” then you haven’t been in ministry for very long.
    . Pastoral Epistles – In Paul’s instructions to Titus and Timothy, he mentions thirteen times that ministries were ruined by some of these temptations.
    – In 1 Timothy
    1:6 there were ministers who had “turned aside to fruitless discussion.”
    1:19 some had “suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.”
    4:2 he warned of ministers filled with “the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron.”
    6:4 he told Timothy to watch out for the minister who “is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions.”
    6:5 Paul spoke of the hold money had on some ministers, for he says, they “suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
    6:20-21 he warned Timothy to avoid ministers characterized by “worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called ‘knowledge’ – which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.”
    – In 2 Timothy 1:15 Paul names two ministers (Phygelus & Hermogenes) who “turned away from me.”
    2:16-18 he speaks of ministers whose “talk will spread like gangrene.” Then he names two such ministers (Hymenaeus & Philetus) “who have gone astray from the
    truth.”
    3:5 he warns of ministers who are “holding to a form of godliness, although theyhave denied its power.”
    3:8 these ministers are “men who oppose the truth.”
    4:3-4 Paul speaks of ministers who will teach in accordance to the desires of people who “will not endure sound doctrine,” and will “tickle the ears” with myths instead of truth.
    – In Titus 1:10-11 he described many ministers as “rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers,
    . teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.”
    1:16 he warned of ministers who “profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”
    continued http://audio.gracechurch.org/sc/2005notes/PileWhenGoodPreachersMakeBadPastors.pdf

    PS and why does all of this remind me still of our professing Christian Prime Minister Stephen Harper now as well?

    http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/a-hireling-in-an-evangelical-church/

    […]

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    Comment by Dr.PURUSHOTHAM.P — August 14, 2008 @ 12:36 pm

  10. Believe it or not, face it or not Bad and abusive Corporations, churches, pastors, cops, in fact all bad persons are often the number one concerns of many people, on the net, many citizens, in every province, Canada wide too, and yet this is an area where the too often pretentious government, poor ministers, that have wrongfully also hired too often their pretentious friends into key and secondary jobs now too, are clearly wrongfully not doing enough now here too… but they still steal, take a big salary, with perks, expenses accounts wrongfully for it too.

    Comment by thenonconformer — August 15, 2008 @ 9:04 pm

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  12. Re: ” Obama’s pastor has Tampa ties to Racist
    Bible Based Fellowship Church in Carrollwood Tampa Florida

    Date: Mar 22, 2008 6:11 AM
    Obama’s pastor has Tampa ties
    By Sharon Tubbs, Times Staff Writer

    Published Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:15 PM

    TAMPA – Angela Judge listens to talk show hosts and TV pundits who dismiss the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. as an angry black man, spewing hatred in America.
    She has cried and prayed for it all to end.
    The man in the TV clips, portrayed as Sen. Barack Obama’s “controversial pastor,” is not the same man she came to know watching him preach in Tampa, where he has long-standing ties.
    For years, Wright has made an annual pilgrimage here, packing sanctuaries at two large, predominantly African-American churches: Bible-Based Fellowship Church in Carrollwood and Bible-Based Fellowship Church of Temple Terrace, which draw members from throughout the Tampa Bay area. Even those who aren’t members have flocked to his local revivals.
    Indeed, Wright, 66, is the featured speaker at a revival Tuesday through Thursday of next week, in celebration of the Temple Terrace church’s 10th anniversary.
    The Democratic presidential candidate has come under fire for his association with Wright and in a speech Tuesday he disavowed inflammatory statements Wright has made.
    But the Rev. Earl B. Mason Sr., who lovingly refers to Wright as “Daddy J.,” said Wednesday that Wright was still expected to come and would be welcomed, as always.
    “Tampa, Florida, is not hostile to Jeremiah Wright, not based on an article or not based on somebody else’s opinion,” Mason said. “Tampa, Florida, has been blessed by Jeremiah for well over 15 consecutive years.”
    Wright’s link to the area started 25 years ago when Mason and the Rev. Arthur T. Jones took part in a religious conference in Orlando as part of the Florida Mass Choir. Wright, slight in stature but bold and dynamic in his delivery, took to the pulpit at the conference. Mason, who had never heard the name before, would never forget it.
    After that, Wright was asked to speak at the choir’s retreats and, in years to come, at the two churches.
    Before establishing the Temple Terrace church, Mason was co-pastor with Jones at the Carrollwood church. Today, the congregations are independent of each other and among the larger predominantly black churches in the area. Jones and Mason said they don’t keep official membership tallies, but the Carrollwood church’s cathedral seats 1,700 and the Temple Terrace church seats several hundred and has two services each Sunday.
    Wright gained a loyal following among local Christians like Judge, a member of the Carrollwood church. People would often arrive early, expecting a packed house. His affable personality and intellectual, yet thunderous, approach to Scripture are signature to his style. He is known to sprinkle his messages with some points on social justice.
    ‘Like an uncle’
    Once when she traveled to Chicago, Judge visited Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ. He remarked from the pulpit that there was a visitor from Tampa. After service, they chatted and joked for 2½ hours.
    “I understand what Obama meant when he said he’s like an uncle,” said Judge, 45.
    Deborah Austin, now a member of a New Tampa church, said she was first exposed to Wright in Carrollwood. Eventually, he became her mentor, helping and challenging her as she worked toward a doctorate in interpersonal-family communications. He often talked about the need to help oppressed people worldwide.
    “I have been praying for him, thinking good thoughts of him,” Austin said.
    The excerpts from Wright’s sermons aired on television have been called unpatriotic at best. In one, he appears to blame the United States for the Sept. 11 attacks. In another he says the government is responsible for the spread of HIV.
    The comments didn’t shock many black people who say Wright’s critics are essentially attacking the black church, where African-Americans for years have always felt safe in voicing concerns about social issues, said Gwendolyn Simmons, assistant professor of religion at the University of Florida.
    “It is a place where black people have been able to say what they felt,” Simmons said.
    Judge said she has heard Wright’s controversial statements before.
    What about context?
    “I have been in services when Dr. Wright has gotten to that fiery point,” Judge said. She wasn’t bothered because she heard his words in context and many times agreed. Sometimes, she didn’t. But, Judge said, who agrees with everything someone else says?
    “Jeremiah is my friend and my mentor and he’s my daddy,” said Mason, 56. “I was angry to see someone take snippets of a 2003 sermon and use it in 2008, and use it to discredit a man like Wright, a church like Trinity and a campaign like Obama’s.”
    Jones said his Carrollwood church and Wright’s church have both engaged in outreach in Africa. Bible-Based has built schools and churches in the continent, Jones said.
    While the “black liberation theology” Wright preaches is not at the forefront of sermons at Bible-Based, black values are taught and upheld there, Jones said. Wright, he said, will “stand in the pulpit and say it just like I’ll stand in the pulpit and say it.”
    If people want to know what Wright is all about, Jones said, “buy his books, read his sermons. He is a speaker of truth.”

    Extract from Shepherd or Despot? By Walter Kambulow

    Bible Based Fellowship Church in Carrollwood was one of the largest and wealthiest black congregations in Tampa, Florida and to some the most racist black church in the South. White folks were not welcomed in the church. The $3 million church was built on 10 1/2 acres, has 26 ministries and funded three West African churches and was run almost by military rule by Rev. Earl Mason and Art Jones.

    Brother Jones boasted of obtaining a doctorate from Ohio’s United Theological Seminary which turned out to be a lie. He also had been criticized for operating Bible-Based like a corporation rather than a church. The church had no deacon board and was run like an autocracy.

    Jones and Mason solely controlled the money and were very tight lip about finances, their own and that of the church’ but they both drove fancy luxury cars. They had labeled members who spoke up against them as “Satan” and reminded others who didn’t like the way they did things that “this is my church.” Mason told members questioning his authority to “go to hell.”

    Assistant ministers have gone through a revolving door in the Bible- Based Fellowship Church. Ruth Hunter, the chief financial officer of the church was convicted of embezzling more than $35,000 from a Clearwater bank. Mason and Jones refused to fire her even though she had been proven to be a thief. Members complained that the pastors checked to see if people pay their tithes every Sunday. Those who didn’t pay their tithes didn’t get support from the church. Yet this was a Bible Believing Bible Based Christian Fellowship that did things which Jesus Christ would never do?

    In theory Apostle Paul told all those who are called themselves Christians, including pastors and preachers, “in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself? Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others?” In other words doctrinal emphasis were not to overrule the best interests of others! For the bible also states:

    “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28
    The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. 1 Peter 5:1-4

    The bible says that overseers are to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood by being examples to the flock and not by being Lords over those entrusted to them nor for dishonest gain. However, the size of the church or its theology does not determine whether its pastor or priest will be a gentle shepherd or an autocratic tyrant. There are still those pastors and priests who have not realized that their days of “do what I say or else God will strike you down” are numbered. Their words of “touch not God’s anointed” are falling on deaf ears. God’s true anointed ones do not rob, rape or use the sheep. Sheep today prefer to be led by example rather than to be driven by brute force or beaten into submission by use of bible verses.

    Walter Kambulow
    Burlington Ontario

    Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are the sole responsibility of the author. If you have a problem with the correctness of the information, please contact the author.

    (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

    Cephas Ministry Inc. (www.cephasministry.com)” http://www.cephas-library.com/obamas_pastors_ties_to_racist_bible_based_fellowship_church.html

    I personally still do not recommend this ministry from my own experiences, they seem to be one sided bashers and liars too. They all like us have a free speech right.. to be heard too..

    and do note that most of Walter’s many past posts on the net now many of them have been removed from the net, “The page you are attempting to access has been removed because it violated Tripod’s Terms of Service. Please check out Tripod’s Help system for more information. ”

    and there is a present temporary Ontario Queen’s court injunction prohibiting Walter to post them presently too.

    see also http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/you-know-the-commandments/

    Comment by thenonconformer — August 20, 2008 @ 5:07 am

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