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June 29, 2008

hard to tell the difference

 Impaired


 
Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, they seem to do the same things too. THEY CONSUME  ALCOHOLC, GET DRUNK, THEY LIE, SLANDER, BULLY, ABUSE OTHERS, COMMIT ADULTERY,  DIVORCE, CHEAT, STEAL AND A LOT MORE..
 
What’s So also Bad About a Little Suppression of Free Speech? or what about just a little bit pregnant? a little bit Corrupt too?
 
The pastors of the Toronto airport fellowship Church and many other pastors, Christians groups on the net  had asked me in writing not to write to them, and what they can preach about the sins of others but I can’t do that to them? What hypocrisy on their parts now still too.  Even in the churches, evangelical pastoral sections there are much too many really bad unacceptable apples still out there. Too often now our personal rights in this country are now slowly being forcibly demanded to be sidetracked to accommodate others wishes … Imagine what Canada would be like if any of the church pastors, government forcibly told the citizens, the columnists, editors, commentators what they could and could not publish. Imagine if we had something like a Ministry of Truth, a Ministry of the Media, a Ministry of Thought. If that doesn’t scare you then you rightfully  scare me. These bullying groups appear to be using any angle within the law, courts,  or their influence to try and become our ‘superiors’ in some way. It’s about time that truths that are unpalatable to certain sections of our society be allowed to be expressed. We live in a free country, with the right to freedom of expression and speech. Telling the facts does not constitute a ‘hate’ crime now as well. Only those people who want to curtail or own freedoms while they use theirs  would call this a hate crime. If these various groups or people cannot tolerate anyone’s free speech, or debate, why in the world are they living in the west?  If you don’t like the freedoms that are enjoyed by ALL citizens here, then go live in a country where theirs and your freedom  now is denied.  Without freedom of speech, and the freedom of the press we can no longer claim to be a democratic country. No one has the right to stifle the free dispensing of valuable information. Not even Evangelical pastors.  We must all be be vigilant against any attempts of demonic enslavement of us and the  false hindrances of our own rights.  “Those that try to silence honest, open, and free speech are a danger to this country. I hold that to be true. ”
 
In my 20 years of posting on the net in Canada the biggest immoral human rights violators, abusers have been the EVANGELICAL PASTORS, and also the Conservatives of Alberta, plus BELL SYMPATICO NOW TOO, even those persons, Corporations  who falsely clearly do not tolerate the free speech of others, their difference of views, and they as bullying ostriches next tend to lie about, banish, slander, or even delete unwanted non conforming posters who do not go along with their too often immoral, redneck views. Too many of them now are alcoholics too.
 
Why are alcoholics always in denial? and why do they often lie,  cheat, steal also now? Because if they do admit the truth they are alcoholics, sinners too  they do have now to repent of the sin of disobeying God’s word about being drunk too.. so they take the ostrich denial approach instead too often. Alcoholism still is a sin of a deliberate, personal choice, and to be set free you have to admit your sin, confess it, renounce it, ask God for forgiveness through Jesus Christ as well.. It is not only wrong for the average person it is also especially wrong for leaders in the government, politicians. It is amazing how one can quickly spot an alcoholic, while they cannot still see their sin, and how quick they are to oppose themselves being exposed now too..

 
I admit I had lost all respect for the supposedly great preacher Spurgeon who was so ready to preach to others about their sins, but he himself now could not resist  the Temptation of a cigar.  Similar we find out that other preachers could not give up smoking too.. Look at this reference in regard to AB Simpson, the past founder of the Christian Missionary Alliance denomination now too.  “The Man, the movement, and the mission-A documentary of the C&MA”  Cut directly from their national web site. It was the custom for the ministers of the district to meet together to discuss all things common. This little reunion, in its proper sequence, was held one day at the Manse. And unaccountably strange odor of tobacco smoke began to steal upstairs. Suddenly the study door flew open and a towering figure of fury – all of four feet, one inch in its stocking feet – stood at the threshold. “SMOKING! Out of this house!” said Grannie Simpson, and in a body the ministerial association moved. 
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=15796002&postID=3424830162204895882   http://reversion-clause.com/

The CMA is a pretentious and one of the most demonic churches I have been too made up of lying hypocrites where the professing Christians not only abuse people, poor people included, but they indulge in Alcohol too often too.. “I know that as a minister in the C&MA I am called to abstain from drinking alcoholic beverages, here at Safe Harbor there are just a few of people who voluntary give up drinking. The majority of our church drinks: beer, wine, and of course margaritas. I do not have a problem with this. Some pastors would. I can sum up my position by quoting Derek Webb, “While I do not condone drunkenness, I do condone drinking”
http://lukecamara.blogspot.com/2007/05/jesus-and-wine.html
 
and what other pastoral vices now are now being PERMITTED falsely today,  the handing out of beer, wine, alcoholic beverages, playboy, pornography, acts of cheating, lying, stealing, STEALING THE TITHES, adultery, tax evasions still?
 
Too many people  still do believe in their own sole right of free speech still but they  do next try to deny these same right of others by even threatening to sue them for libel, slander.. sound Familiar Mr Stephen Harper PM of Canada? or Bell Sympatico? or the Toronto Airport Fellowship Church pastors? Benny Hinn? etc., The Evangelical CMA Christian PM Stephen Harper should also note that the New Conservatives themselves now tend to be just as much alcoholics as the Liberals. Any false preconceived notions that they generally are not is clearly a myth .Even our professing Canadian Christian Evangelical prime Minister Stephen Harper, and others, still should  note that these are basic, ground rules in proper Bible interpretation that must be followed before anyone even attempts to fully study, apply  the Holy Scripture even related to consuming much too many Alcoholic beverages now too? He personally and falsely, undeniably  loves his alcoholic  wine, beer much too much still too? WE ALL DO NEED to have a right attitudes EVEN  all of leaders, pastors, elders too, and they have to lead by a good personal example too.
  
There are several basic, ground rules in proper Bible interpretation that must be followed by all persons now  before anyone even attempts to fully study the Holy Scripture. The first rule is pray and ask the Holy spirit to guide you, to teach you.. not rather self, mere men or women.. we all should seek first and not last the Holy Spirit for illumination. The Holy Spirit wants to share the treasures of God’s Word with those who rightfully do esteem Him. The most important principle to remember in studying God’s Word is that it can only be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.  Those who approach the Bible without the Holy Spirit to teach them, may gain some insight into truths, their lives, but also  will receive no definite, permanent, important life-changing revelation.  Bible Commentaries should be used only very sparingly if at  all. Even the most anointed man or woman, preacher  of God clearly still can be wrong, biased, have a hidden agenda, limited, (or just shallow) in their understanding or interpretation of certain Bible topics, subjects. Do not believe any man or women, rather solely Take God’s word for it.“A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth” (Proverbs 14:6 )
 
Genuine Born Again Evangelical Christians are total abstainers 1 Cor 6:10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers {and} slanderers, nor extortioners {and} robbers will inherit {or} have any share in the kingdom of God. We know that alcoholism is a terrible sin  that now damages the person’s brain, affects their ability  to work, to drive a car, and negatively affects their own behavior and affects many others too. The same reality is true of one taking now bad drugs as well. So I was also similarly shocked, surprised to discover the the falsely professing evangelical Christian Stephen Harper our Prime Minister likes to consume wine, alcohol, and he buys it for others as well. Beyond a Biblical doubt the Genuine Born Again Evangelicals are total abstainers, like me, I never drink or touch wine or alcohol, at any time, nor do I give playboy, pornography, wine or wine glasses to anyone. ““Dr. Daniel Akin, President of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary has written an article in favor of the famous Resolution #5 (Resolution calling for total opposition to alcohol). Alcohol is the number one drug problem among teenagers. (1 Cor. 8:13; 9:19-22; 10:32-33). Because I am an example to others, I will make certain no one ever walks the road of sorrow called alcoholism because they saw me take a drink and assumed, “if it is alright for him it is alright for me.” No, I will choose to set an uncompromising example of abstinence because I love them.  I will seek my joy and filling in the Spirit not in alcohol. I love the Phillips translation of Ephesians 5:18 which reads, “Don’t get your stimulus from wine (for there is always the danger of excessive drinking), but let the Spirit stimulate your souls.” Psalm 4:7-8 adds, “You [O Lord] have put more joy in my heart than they have when their grain and wine abound. In peace I will both lie down and sleep; for you alone, O Lord, make me dwell in safety.”  There is no record that Jesus drank strong drink,  As a pastor or church leader, would I demand abstinence for  leadership? Absolutely! The principle of Proverbs 31:4-5 is appropriately applied here, “It is not for Kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink, lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted.” “
 
PM Stephen Harper the pretender evangelical as well.. is not the first time he wrongfully  gave alcoholic beverages to others, and what next?    
  
Look I am not alone in this view.. too many Canadian persons have noticed that we have much too many alcoholics in the governments, even as elected ones, even as leaders, Brian Mulroney was known for his boozing now too.. Regretfully still there  much too many alcoholics even in the Conservative party now for my liking,  , in this area too they are just as bad as the Liberal too it seems..  and who can forget Ralph Klein’s alcoholic outburts too, A man is certainly known what he is like by the friends he keep and having an brain damaged alcoholic as a friend, as a  drinking buddy is really no virtue, it is a sad recommendation,  a poor reference that you cannot even be now proud off.. The Prime Minister Stephen Harper a professing Christian Missinary Alliance Evangelcial too had said that the ex PM Brian Mulroney was a close friends.. he Harper now really better start to get better friends and appointees than his alcoholic drinking buddies.. and still not one cent of taxpayers’ money should ever be even used  to buy any alcoholic, alcohol  at any governmental function, expense account.. for we all know how bad alcoholism is and how much evil , suffering it brings, all alcoholics should be fired, especially all of the alcoholic the public and civil servants, all alcoholic  elected officials too  and  not rather falsely  rewarded with more alcohol for almost all of them are already known to be liars, cheat’s thieves, abusers, etc..
 
(1 Cor 11:28 KJV)  But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29  For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30   For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31  For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
 
(Prov 3:33 KJV)  The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
Clearly do note this also..  1 Cor 6:10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers {and} slanderers, nor extortioners {and} robbers will inherit {or} have any share in the kingdom of God.
  
Jesus himself had said that professing to be a Christian is not enough, and it applies now to a PM as well, one rather can  tell what a person is really like by what he does,  a True Christian is one who evidently is controlled by the Spirit of God and not by  self, sin, a real Christian is one where thus anyone can clearly see by the evidence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, including even self control.
  
Matt 3:8 Bring forth fruit that is consistent with repentance [let your lives prove your change of heart];
  
Gal 5:23 Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].
 
Matt 7:16 You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit. 18 A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].  19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire. 20 Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.
 
1 Tim 3:2 Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation {but} must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect {and} temperate {and} self-controlled; [he must be] sensible {and} well behaved {and} dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable {and} qualified teacher,
 
Alcoholics, wine drinkers, smokers, drug users too they all  tend to have evidentially lost their self control..
I have often rightfully said to many preachers I would rather see them first by example live the life of Christ instead of merely preaching it others.  Preaching the Gospel is not an valid alternative to living it.  I even do know People who profess to be Christians and they are Alcoholics too.. but they are not Christians… They fool themselves only as to who they still really are too.

By their own fruits Jesus said to us all you can tell what they are really like still.
..(Prov 16:25 KJV)  There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
(Mat 7:20 KJV)  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
 
If you took 2 martinis or 2 beers a day you are an alcoholic. Alcoholism is a crime and not a disease, it is a crime, it is just as lethal, bad, and it is really unacceptable as selling or taking bad drugs too. Canada’s  bad drug problem, drunk driving, alcoholism is increasing not just amongst the teens, but also in the work place, in the government now as well even amongst the civil and public servants. Most major home violence, car or truck accidents are still associated with alcohol now too and not speeding. It’s a fact that  drinking alcohol can seriously damage one’s health and cause permanent brain damage as well .Alcohol may lead to liver problems, a variety of cancers as well as forms of osteoporosis and depression, and studies are showing, too, that women are more susceptible to the ill effects of alcohol than are men.  
 
Not one cent of taxpayer’s money should be ever used in the governments, civil  and public servants, expense accounts  to buy alcohol, wine  or beer.
  
 > I did not know that smoking is a sin?
Being imparied is clearly a sin.. Impaired means  when Mental awareness, alertness and function do also come under a dulling, slowing effect. This hinders our mental ability in everyday activity and restricts or cuts off our mental fellowship with the Holy Spirit speaking to our mind from our spirit. A person who has the smoking or drinking habit, in honesty, must label themselves an “addict” too. in bondage to Satan and the flesh and the lust thereof. Alcoholism, Smoking, lying, stealing, slander  is demonic, which is why it is so hard to stop on your own and they all are  not compatible with the Christian experience.  These sinful  problems are next forcing negative consequences on other “innocent” people  Co-workers, family and even  children are victims .  Christians are definitely thus not to be “stumbling blocks” to others.  Matthew 18: 6, 7, “But who so shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offenses! For it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh!”
  
Also smoking is “burning incense to other (demon) gods”. II Kings 22:17, II Kings 23:5; II Chronicles 28:25, 34:24, 34:25; Jeremiah 1:16, 7:9, 11:12, 19:4; Chapter 44, 48:35.
   
To receive complete freedom from these sinful  bondages, the Believer must see his “habit” or being “hooked” as a spiritually rooted problem and confess it as a deliberate sin of Disobedience to God too. Acknowledging lust, Alcohol, tobacco, cigarettes, drugs, lying, stealing, marijuana  and smoking as sin is prerequisite. Personal Confession of the sin according to (1 John 1:9 KJV)  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10   If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.and we all must choose to submit to God according to (James 4:7 KJV)  Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8  Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9  Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10   Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. 
next , places the Believer on proper ground for the unclean spirits to be cast out of them 
  
and whether Smoking it is legal or not legal basically is not the issue in the sight of God.. but when you clearly have lost self control,  it also alters your judgment and your ability to perceive reality. on top of that you now are a prisoner to a bad habit of smoking , the very clear source of the bad habit is the devil now as well and not God.. and if you cannot see this it is either cause you do not want to or are in false denial… Half of the world knows that smoking cigarettes even is bad for you, it is a vice, and  it causes cancer, linked to gum disease, destroys the body and you did not realize it was sinful? either you are lying to me, lying yourself others or you are being deliberate ignorant. Smoking is not without potential real negative consequences and yes anyone would be an absolute fool not to factor that truth now as well . One cannot honestly claim to be using alcohol, smoking or marijuana for any purpose other than to falsely intoxicate oneself. to lose self control. One is not getting you closer to God by being intoxicated , but moving you away from Him. You’re doing the weed for YOURSELF, serving the sinful sinful self, the flesh now in reality. You are to die to self, the flesh and all of it’s lust thereof  as a Christian now still too. The ends do not justify now the mans still as well.
  
 1 Corinthians  10:31 (King James Version)   Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
 
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Version) 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
 
Christians are always to remain SOBER too. 1 Thessalonians 5:8 (King James Version) 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Sober, obedient and not given to lusts of the flesh. 1 Peter 1:13-14 (King James Version)  13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
 
Ephesians 5:11-21 (King James Version) 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them  12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/alcoholism-the-unacceptable-sin/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/and-if-the-righteous-scarcely-be-saved/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/good-and-bad-unacceptable-theology/

 

 

 

 

 

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June 21, 2008

Amazing

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 Amazing how I tend to post the same response to the same related subjects on sites I tend to visit , one site accepts the message and me,

the other one hates me and the message.. the response to me shows a lot about the responder.
 
Secondly it is amazing how many so called Christian Internet Discussions sites are still control freaks, ostriches with hidden agendas and they do not post the Responses that show them truly in an unfavorable light..
 
(1Pe 1:22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
(1Pe 1:23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
(1Pe 1:24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
(1Pe 1:25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 
Karl said 1 hour ago:  Looks like I cannot post anything here anymore. The owner of this blog prefers only people who share his views.  http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/to-oneness-heretics-the-meaning-of-colossians-29/
 
Mind you there is a difference between unfair censorships and regulating appropriately the inadequate spews, comments..  but never the less let the prophets speak and let the other’s judge..
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
And those we love we talk to them, but those we do not love we tend to talk about them..
 
>>The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance yet we see comments get deleted just because the owner of this blog can’t bear the truth. Should one, then, suppose that the rest are telling the truth seeing that their comments are not deleted ?

The Catholic Church is accused of intolerance and yes you can add to that lying, twisting the Bible, truths too.. but so does the non catholic churches do thaT now too..

There is still a difference between censorship and rightfully regulating inappropriate comments.

Since the net first came out now I too have had my comments deleted on many sites, Christian – evangelical, non evangelical, catholic ones and non Christian ones – Jewish’s, Muslims, and even the general, political ones as well.. for some people are ostriches who do not want to face the negative truths, and/ or have a hidden agenda and they do not like anything that distrust their agendas. So to solve it I just same make the posts on my own sites, and someone still tried to censor some of them, including the bad cops..

No even the Catholic or the evangelical church these days is far from perfect.

I am really having a hard time trying to understand what part  Mary the mother of Jesus and others, whose husband was Joseph, has in a discussion of the trinity.. The trinity trio of the god head, new testament clearly excludes her and always has. She Mary was not present at man and earth’s creation or present during the period of old testament now too  and according to the Bible undeniably too! The catholic expounded definition of virgin Mary is clearly a false  add on to the Bible, New testament.
 

 The real truth is that the even evangelicals do now have many major faults of their own they need to deal still to do as well, and not just solely pick on the Abortionists, Catholics, Cults, gays, etc., Even the evangelicals fight amongst themselves and we see this in the common ungodly war between Pentecostals and non Pentecostals too.

Sadly Bashing others, uplifting one group or self over others is very popular on the net, in churches too and is known as bullying, done even by the Pastors, priests, Christian and non Christian persons but it is still unacceptable. I expect to the people do it in false pride to make themselves feel better, but very shortly they next again become depressed still because after all it is still an immoral act that needs to be repented off.

(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

As for “It is only in this world that we can find a created being who has power to forgive the sinner, who can free him from the chains of sin and hell; and that extraordinary being is the priest, the Catholic priest. “Who can forgive sins except God? Was the question, which the Pharisees harshly asked. “Who can forgive sins?” is the question that the Pharisees of the present day also ask: and the answer is, There is a man on earth that can forgive sins, and that man is the Catholic priest. This because the priest is the ambassador of God (1 Cor 3:9).”

Now there is no way I can believe that at all too.. or that Virgin Mary is a deity, part of the trinity, speaks to people today.. Believe it or not I too have met many Mary worshippers in the Catholic church myself lately who were sexually immoral, even a lesbian cult too. Their forgiveness for me rightfully does not mean much when they basically cannot even change themselves.

Me I am not a catholic, or a protestant, but a true Believer in Jesus Christ, a Christian.

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/am-i-therefore-become-your-enemy/

>>You are not alone, I too, came dangerously close to switching faiths ; I almost threw in my lot with one of them countless born-again churches that daily seem to spring up everywhere. But there was something utterly detestable and repulsive about these sects that kept me away. Today, am glad that I stayed away because they are like a cancer. I also fail to understand how anyone can believe the so-called “speaking in tongues.” I once asked someone whether he really understood a thing when people “speak in tongues”. He answered in the negative but said that those filled with the Holy Spirit do. I then asked him, who these holy spirit-filled people are. He said that he did not know.

There was a day when I was a child and I too could not understand it

Me I speak in tongues when led by the Holy Spirit and I need too and I am one of these holy spirit filled persons.

After I pray or speak in tongues I pray for the English discernment as well so I can understand it as the Bible commands we should and I do get it as well. It is often revealing, surprising as to what I have prayed, said too. I was in a church when the pastor had finished his sermon, and I had next given a tongue prophecy.. ” My servant has preached my message and has rightfully called you to repentance, BUT you have refused to come, shall I here announce your sins to all” next dozens of people rush to the church alter for repentance..

(Eph 5:19 KJV) Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

(Eph 5:20 KJV) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

(Eph 5:21 KJV) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

  http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

>Does anyone here know how the JW cultists get around the Greek here in order to maintain their blasphemous belief that Jesus Christ was an incarnation of the archangel Michael?
 
They lie, they add to the word of God, and to the  GREEK, and they claim they have used a translator’s privilege to actually reinterpret the Bible passages to get the point of view they want..
 
and it seems ACTUALLY many other people do that too anyway, they also even do pick and chose the Bible passages to suit their own point of view in many cults, sects, Christian denominations…
 
so they lie to themselves basically firstly and if you do that you are headed in a really bad direction cause you often start to believe your own lies next too.
   
2: I found these comments really appropriate on a site that discussed our need to daily read the Bible.
 
“A true conversation, of course, involves both talking and listening. Most of us do better with the talking part. I used to be so occupied doing the Lord’s work that I had no time to pay close attention to God’s voice. I preached six times a week, taped two television programs, traveled across the nation, wrote books, pastored the church, and administrated a large church staff and broadcast ministry (among other daily duties). I spent time talking to God, very often about the needs of my personal life and ministry—but not much time listening to God. I ended up in the hospital for a week and out of circulation for three months. If we don’t learn how to listen to God, we can make unwise and very costly mistakes.” 

(Col 2:9 KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

(Col 2:10 KJV) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

You are complete only in Him too.

All of our souls are in great danger of being swallowed by this formidable tide of apostasy and corruption, which is devastating the Church, churches and never mind the world because many people have submitted to the lusts of their carnal flesh, as well to the call of the devil and the world undeniably.

Two of my continual shocks in life the last 5 decades amongst many others now too now are as to how many evangelical pastors now basically are still ungodly and how come they wrongfully do not repent of this?

Secondly in the last 5 decades 50 percent of once loudly professing evangelical Christians undeniably depart by their own choice from the faith even admittedly

I am of the opinion that many people look at past Christian History to overcome the God shaped vacuum they presently do have in their life too.. and there are many reasons now even for this – them specifically not being led today by the Holy Spirit.. even that they are rather doing their own thing, or they are in deliberate willful sins, or they are pride, or they are abusing others or their spouse even by cheating, lying to and stealing from them, amongst many other reasons. I like what I had read years ago.. God has not moved! Did you?

I admit I was in shock, in anger about 3 decades ago when for the first time some one said God can talk directly to you personally, I found that initially unbelievable, even as to why I had not heard him before.. too busy talking and not quietly listening to him firstly too.

Ever notice how so many professing Christians do a lot of talking, but rarely quote any Bible verses in reality, seems they too still want to still hear themselves do all the talking and not God rather.

(Rom 6:6 KJV) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

(1 Cor 1:23 KJV) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

(1 Cor 2:2 KJV) For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

(1 Cor 2:8 KJV) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

(2 Cor 13:4 KJV) For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

(Gal 2:20 KJV) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

(Gal 5:24 KJV) And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

(Gal 6:14 KJV) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 

http://withoutwax.tv/2008/06/16/continue-the-conversation-sync-part-3/    “Responses to “Continue The Conversation (SYNC-Part 3)”  This is something that I struggle with…being a Pastor and growing up in a Pastor’s home, at times I have found myself coasting on the knowledge I have gained throughout the years. I have made a more then conscious effort as of late to make reading the Word “the” priority of my day. It is unreal what God is revealing to me….
  
It has to be for me to stay on track. I know it sounds like an over-simplification but Dwight L. Moody said it best. “The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible.”
  
 I love “and I ‘rested’ in the Lord rather then ‘doing’ quiet time. I’m trying to get my quiet time out of the homework category. I don’t want to view it as something I just need to check off my list. I’m hoping to get some time this week to just absorb the Scriptures instead of just reading them!
 
(Phi 2:5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
(Phi 2:6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(Phi 2:7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(Phi 2:8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Phi 2:9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
(Phi 2:10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(Phi 2:11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I read in a book one time that we should pray that God would make His Word a delight to us. I prayed that for a long time. It is a delight to me now. 
 
God’s words are truly life to me right now. I have always been one to journal (and I still love it) but things are different now. because of my life circumstances I need god more than ever before. and because of that it is an ongoing “meeting” we have throughout the day instead of a set “quiet time”. I really want my health and marriage restored but without these circumstances I wouldn’t know god the way I do. I NEED to know what HE is saying to me through his word and I love it.
 
If I were honest with you, I would tell you that I cannot remember the last time I had a quiet time.
Honestly.
And if I continued to be honest with you, I would tell you that I also have not been to church in like the past month.
Are the two related. Probably.
 
I don’t have profound revelation usually when I read the Bible. But I still do it daily. Some days I don’t want to take a shower or get out of bed, but I do it because I need to. Same with the Bible. If I don’t do it I might miss out. I hate to be out of the loop. Even when I don’t get chills or cry or feel all good inside I know that the Lord is dropping wisdom right into my heart. That is why I read the Bible daily. My prayer life is much stronger in my quiet time than my Bible references. But I can tell you the stuff I read gets stuck inside and when I need it it’s there. I usually cannot tell you what book, chapter, or verse. How much does that matter? It’s the wisdom and knowledge that God imparts upon my being that matters. Even if it feels like a chore, my advice is to do it anyway. You don’t have to read a whole chapter. Just pick a psalm or a proverb. Start small and work your way up. You’ll be blessed for your efforts.
  
This is a GREAT topic of conversation!  I have only been a Christian for about 7 years and over these past 7 years, I have found that my walk with Christ has been filled with peaks and valleys. If I wasn’t at a peak, I was at a valley. It was never constant. Then I realized something.when I was reading His Word daily, I was peaking and when I wasn’t..down to the valley I would go. Now, I’m at a constant. I am in His Word every day! I have to be. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are still peaks and valleys, but they are not extreme. I am no longer on the roller coaster ride. I have fallen deeper in love with Christ and yearn, daily, to know more of God’s character. I am surprised and amazed every day by what He is showing me. Little nooks and cranny’s that I have never seen before. It’s truly incredible. It’s like the first time you realize you’re in love with someone, but better.
  
If a plant does not get water, or enough of it, it first wilts, dries up and then dies. This is so true of us! We NEED the water of His word to THRIVE and GROW.:-)
  
It is. If I’m not in the Word and dedicated time for spending time with the Lord in the morning, my day is awful. Well, I should say I am awful. I’m out of sorts, quick to find fault, easily annoyed, the list goes on. It is amazing to me how totally different I am when I am walking in the Spirit instead of racing along in my flesh. And I am so thankful that those “awful” days are far and few between. Praise Him!
  
It amazes me how comforting God’s word can be in facing life’s problems. I am facing a financial problem that will, without doubt, affect my life for many years to come. While “trying to figure it all out” yet again this morning, I started reading the Psalms and ran across a scripture that said ” My times are in God’s hands.” The worry melted away immediately! This is not a coincidence for me. God’s word has given me comfort when I needed comfort, strength when I felt weak, courage when I felt defeated, hope when all appeared lost, and joy when hurt turned into tears. God’s word reveals promises that I can count on, and wisdom when all seems confusing. The truth is that I can’t think of a reason not to spend time in God’s word! It is nourishment for my soul!”
 
>> Unfortunately, the Word is a struggle for me. I have had months where I have faced very similar things.. Firstly we al still have to eat, I still just merely read daily the Bible and have my quiet time, by faith trusting God is working on the oppressions too. Secondly I admit that I am a slave servant of Jesus Christ and most conflicts firstly tend to be caused by me trying to take my own charge, control of my life, wanting to do my own thing.. and upon surrender this to God  I continue to follow his will rather. God generally replies to me and says there will be days when you cannot seem to feel me, see me, just trust me I love you and I am still there holding your hand.     

LIke I have said often” Too many even professing Christian persons are still parrots, they have not really read the Bible for themselves, they really do not know the Bible or God for that matter still too.. they are repeating what others have told them, and too often often it is distorted truths, lies.. 

(James 1:19 KJV) Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
(James 1:21 KJV) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
(James 1:22 KJV) But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
   
5 percent of Christians only read their Bible daily, 25 percent of church Christians at the most are really born again too, 70 percent of evangelical pastors are unchristian.. 50 percent of all once loudly professing Christians next give up or sell their faith too. reality, (had they stayed in God’s word they would have been great saints, but it was the devil who discouraged them away..) and it is not what you know that counts but how much of the Bible that you actually practice in love too now that counts. 

 

 

June 19, 2008

Exemplary

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Funny how some immoral persons, even if they call themselves Christians , have to resort to personal attacks on the writer, me, , when they cannot dispute the biblical truths, facts presented.. it is their own false alternative to avoid facing the truth about themselves firstly, the really big beam in their own eye.. and they are foolish enough to think I have to put up with it too.. if you lie to me, abuse me, I rightfully no longer talk to you for a start.. as simple as that… no matter who you think you are now, my mother, father, brother, sister, wife, my children , pastor, elder, etc..
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

NOW DUE TO MY POSTS I HAVE RECEIVED   BASHING EMAILS FROM MANY PASTORS NOW TOO IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. HEY I HAVE SEEN ALL KIND OF ABUSES IN THE GOVERNMENTS, CHURCHES, CIVIL AND PUBLIC SERVANTS,   BY THE POLICE, RCMP, ON THE NET, IN FAMILIES AS WELL THE LAST 4 DECADES TOO, but public exposure and prosecution of the abusers,   the really bad persons serves everyone’s best interest still too.
 
No! I rightfully do not accept personally any abuses quietly, and neither does God, especially not from any Pastor!
 
and I have often rightfully said how can I now expect the government leaders to be exemplary?  when the many evangelical pastors I have encountered to date were not, not even the evangelical ones..
  
(1 Tim 3:1 KJV)  This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop ( a ruling elder) , he desireth a good work. 2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3  Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6  Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7  Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
 
(1 Tim 3:11 KJV)  Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
 
(Gen 6:9 KJV)  These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
 
(Rom 5:12 KJV)  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 3:23 KJV)  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 
And why am I so rightfully hard on the evangelical pastors you say? Well firstly they should know more and even behave better than the rest, and not rather be more unacceptable religious hypocrites. I have mentioned recently how  one Pastor had lied on the net, he rewrote what I had posted to him.. and next did not post my subsequent responses to him too? Did that stop me, dream on, I just posted the truth on my own many popular sites for everyone to know what he did, is like too,   but at least the same pastor showed me how immorally he really was now too by what he did. Was I disappointed yet? Yes. Was I really surprised? No? ” For there still is nothing good in man! It is not just the lay persons who need to daily repent of their sins but all pastors now as well, preaching the gospel is never an acceptable alternative to living it too. I too would rightfully rather see a sermon first lived than one merely hypocritically preached to me. The Word of God is also like a two edged sword, it applies to the preacher as well as the one being preached to.
 
(1 Tim 5:24 KJV)  Some men’s sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
 
(1 Tim 5:25 KJV)  Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
 
(Prov 9:9 KJV)  Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
 
(Prov 20:7 KJV)  The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him.
 
(Prov 24:16 KJV)  For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
 
(Eccl 7:20 KJV)  For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
 
(Mark 6:20 KJV)  For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
 
(Acts 10:22 KJV)  And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
 
(1 Tim 5:20 KJV)  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
 
(1 Tim 5:21 KJV)  I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
 
(1 Pet 5:1 KJV)  The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
 
(1 Pet 5:2 KJV)  Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4  And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
 
(1 Pet 5:5 KJV)  Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another (Mutual submission), and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6   Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
 
(1 Pet 5:7 KJV)  Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
 
(1 Pet 5:8 KJV)  Be sober ( Don’t get drunk now too) , be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9  Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
 
(1 Tim 5:22 KJV)  Lay hands suddenly on no man,
neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.
  

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly (Not drunk) , righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 
(Eph 5:18 KJV)  And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
(Eph 5:19 KJV)  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
(Eph 5:20 KJV)  Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
(Eph 5:21 KJV)  Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
(Eph 5:22 KJV)  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
(Eph 5:23 KJV)  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24 KJV)  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25 KJV)  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

religious abuse

Churches should be sanctuaries .. not prisons

Faith should be the ultimate freedom .. not the ultimate trap

And  why should I still  be so surprised that so many Chuuch Ministers too now are objectionably alcoholics and adulterers as well?

  Just cause 70 percent of pastors admitted to having done adultery  or counselling divorce, or 30 percent evangelicals commit   divorce does still not  mean any of them are getting away with any of it next too

as I have said many times before, even since the Garden of Eden, the devil still lies about the truth and he still says to you that you will not die if you disobey God’s law.. and he does that about lusts, stealing, alcohol, adultery, divorce or whatever.. to keep the people in bondage in their wrongful sins.. but Adam and Eve still paid a price for their sins next, so do we all..

(John 4:37 KJV) And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. (Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
 

 

 

June 17, 2008

The Top ten posts read by many in the last Quarter.

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 Me I am a straight forward shooter, and I do  try to be transperently honest in all of my posts too, which also causes me to lose the bad friends, and to make some enemies too.

 
Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
 
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.

 

The Top ten posts read by many in the last Quarter on this site https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/
 

WordPress.com for sure has great religious interests, topics

(John 20:30 KJV)  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

  
The top ten posts now in this site  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/ are..
  
Bell Sympatico  
Basic Contract law  
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship Church  
Bell  
Bell Sympatico Canada  
CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE  
The war against Bell  
Bell Lied  
About  
To Bell Sympatico  

I was surprised in a comparison of my two wordpress.com  sites

 
 

that the religious topics still tend to be at least 2 to 5 times as Popular,
 
and clearly one of the most popular discussion topic is the ungodly religious wars between the protestant, catholics, pentecostals and Bagiptists, bretheren, etc., and the topic of bad pastors.
 

 

 

 

 

and I was surprised as to how popular the Bell Sympatico posts are too  on boith sites too.
 

May 13, 2008

CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE

“CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE NAMED IN CONSPIRACY LAWSUIT FILED: CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD CHINESE CHURCH OF $650,000 CHURCH PROPERTYAND APPROXIMATELY $18,000 IN BANK ACCOUNTS by James Sundquist

In a major lawsuit, the Mid America District of the Christian & Missionary Alliance (hereafter C&MA) was named by a group of former members of the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs. The C&MA is one of the largest Evangelical Protestant Christian denominations, with 2,010 C&MA churches in the U.S., and 440 in Canada, with approximately 417,000 members in the United States. The Plaintiff has alleged that the C&MA conspired to defraud and subsequently confiscate and convert their $650,000 church property and assets and emptied their approximately $18,000 in bank accounts, located in Colorado Springs, Colorado, U.S.A. The Defendant, C&MA Mid America District Headquarters office, is located in Omaha, Nebraska. C&MA National Church Ministries Vice President Rev. John Soper endorsed and approved both the closure and the sale of the church property in two letters.

This is not unique. The Chinese church is just one of the more recent victims of the C&MA’s Church Growth Movement Church Multiplication, Church Health formulas for measuring spirituality, and Small Group grand strategies being implemented in the U.S., and Canada to takeover and transform churches. After the C&MA had given the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs an ultimatum of 15 months to redevelop, the lawsuit alleges that they reneged on it in 3 months. After closing the church down, the C&MA wouldn’t even let them keep their Chinese translation Bibles and library (refusing to return them even upon request in writing). After about 18 months the C&MA put the property on the market and sold the property to a Karate company. Named in the lawsuit are: Christian & Missionary Alliance, Randall Burg, District Superintendent for the Mid America District of the C&MA, the Mid America District of the C&MA, and Dr. Robert Trempert, Interim Pastor just prior to the closing of the church. This C&MA District includes Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Nebraska. The Plaintiff also alleges that the C&MA secured and conveyed the deed without informing the congregation, then used unfounded charges to evict the whole congregation, which was about 30 regular attendees, and closed down the church and threw them out on the street. It is also the intent of former members of this church to alert and warn all C&MA churches, the church at large, and the Asian community throughout the world, that this could happen to them too! We are grateful to the many members of the national media have already asked to run this story even before this press release went out. These Chinese Christians and how the C&MA applied the Reversion Clause of its constitution to this church feels like this a “mortgage made in Hell”…you have to make mortgage payments to the C&MA [or its own approved lender], including interest…then when the building is paid off in half of the 15 year mortgage, you the borrower get to (have to) give the C&MA lender the building and property too…what a deal! Many of these older saints who came from Communist China where they were persecuted hoped that this could not happen in the U.S., let alone at the hands of the church. They found out they were wrong! On July 1, 2006, members of The Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs discovered that the locks on their building had been changed when attempting to attend a prayer meeting. One Sunday, July 2, 2006, the congregrants came to worship and found out they were evicted from their own building, with the knowledge and consent, the Alliance, MAD, Burg, and Trempet proceeded to lock the Chinese Church out of its own building. Instead of taking care of widows and the homeless, the C&MA leaders created them, while simultaneously blaming these victims. Someone did come to their rescue and hear their Chinese church’s SOS cries for help. There was a good Samaritan in Colorado Springs who showed great mercy and provided shelter for these approximately 30 fleeing Chinese refugee saints and helped them get back on their feet again, and that was Pastor David Fitzgerald and the Garden Ranch Baptist Church. Then the Garden Ranch Baptist Church gave immediate relief under emergency powers, then helped them redevelop church polity and comply with requirements of the State of Colorado and the IRS to start a new church…all in a period of about six months…without strings attached.” “Contrary to what C&MA leaders would have you do, and that is hear the victims side of the story vs. just the perpetrators, as good Christians and good Bereans, you should want to read the other side of the story for yourselves.”

For complete report and documentary:

http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/James/CMAChineseHijackingTOCPDF.pdf

COMMENTARY ON REVERSION CLAUSE IN THE CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE CONSTITUTION:

http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/James/ReversionCommentary2008PDF.pdf

http://laiglesforum.com/2008/02/23/churchians-rob-christians-of-land-and-bibles/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/christian-and-missionary-alliance-denomination/ 

 To make it simple or appealing to the ignorant the CMA has simplifed their doctrines, Jesus Christ as Savior, Healer, Coming King, Sanctifier too… but what is really totally absent and very very signicant.. is that they dnot mentio often or at all  Jesus as the helper of the poor people.. and  what they do not practise giving aid, money to the poor people in their own church, rather when they become poor they kick them out instead? They CMA executives they only still help themselves?

PS In regard to the CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE I myself have ecountered pastors, district superintendents too both IN QUEBEC AND IN ALBERTA AND I TOO WAS SHOCKED FIRTSHAND TO NOTE HOW THEY DO READILY LIE, ABUSE PEOPLE, ARE RUTHLESS, REAL FACTS I HAVE A LONG TIME AGO BEFORE ALL THIS HAD DETAILED EVEN ON THE WEB, TO CANADA’S MAJOR NEWS EDITORS, THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS NOW TOO. Notice this before you next even do try to lie to me and say how good they are firstly. For you cannot deny my personal witness of how bad they are.

To be honest, and to be fair to all of the supposedly Christian pastors too,  at least 80 percent of all North American evangelical pastors they are certainly also not anointed  by the Holy Sprit, even the fundamental, Baptist ones now too, for they have not been called by God for  the ministry, and they are still only Hirelings, so it is not surprising that 70 percent of them had committed adultery too… Never mind their cheating, lying stealing now too.
  
I was shocked as to how many Evangelical pastors That I  know  personaly had commiited adulery, and I caught one reading dirty books at the local airport too.
 
 Most people also  are not aware that the Canadian Pentecostal assemblies of Canada churches PAOC are a break away from the Christian Missionary Alliance church firstly and they have a very similar church management structure, a corporation with a corporate president even that does not disclose all the expenditures to the all of the donators now too. .. not your expected  congregationally managed, owned local church .. Yes the same Christian Missionary alliance church, rather Corporation.. the bad so called church that our Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper goes too. The Christian and Missionary Alliance (COMA) is an Evangelical Protestant denomination within Christianity. Founded by Rev. Albert Benjamin Simpson in 1887, the Christian & Missionary Alliance did not start off as a denomination, but rather began as two distinct Para church organizations: The Christian Alliance which focused on the pursuit and promotion of the Higher Christian life and The Evangelical Missionary Alliance, which focused on mobilizing “consecrated” Christians in the work of foreign missionary efforts. These two groups amalgamated in 1897 to form The Christian and Missionary Alliance. It was only much later during the mid twentieth century that an official denomination was formed. See my posts on the CMA.. It is owned and controlled by a Corporation. The Pentecostal Assembly of Canada, PAOC broke away from this corporation and formed it’s own corporation, so called church..
 

Sow the wrong seed and you can also next reap a whirl wind , church pastors included now, and there is really no such thing as a little bit allowable sins for pastors included, no such thing as being a  little bit pregnant here too.. and it is still clearly unacceptable for any Pastors to counsel a man’s wife behind his back and without his knowledge, approval,  permission, but even this sadly an unacceptable  common occurrence in evangelical churches now too, even in the Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostals churches now too.. and this is how the war against the perverse pastors’ of the Toronto airport church and other similar bad churches  had next escalated. When any spouse starts to talk to others about their family affairs they now are next definitely  headed towards divorce wars as well..

 The ends seem to justify the means for some. In the secular world it is common to contact your employer to try to put pressure on you when you disagree with a corporation, but in the religious world it is an unacceptable  common ploy for bad undeniably pastors with no fear and accountably as well  too often to try meddle into your family affairs, to try to seduce,  counsel your own wife behind your back and knowledge, trying to divide and conquer as many persons have told  me, they had the same bad experiences too, me included.

“Now the relevance of all this, as brought to the attention of Justice Jarvis the friction between Walter and Sandra about Metro church, is pastor’s Jim Paul and family unauthorized intrusion into Walter’s marriage and life which resulted in a police call to 911 on October 30, 2005 as Jim Paul’s brother in law and sister refused to get out of my home when they barged in uninvited! In addition when Rick Meyers complained in an email to Pastor John Arnott that Jim Paul was not a marriage counselor and had no business or right to counsel only Sandra without Walter’s permission or knowledge, Pastor Steve Long took it upon himself to slander Walter Kambulow to Rick Meyers and refused to retract or substantiate his words in spite of many emails by Mr Kambulow to TACF on the subject ( See Appendix B REJECTION OF NOTICE OF MOTION (Milton) December 27, 2007 Court File No: 6447/07 ) and chose instead to sue Walter Kambulow to try and silence him! ” http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf and Walter or his wife Sandy  is no saint too.. nor his supporters too, or oppositions, none of these people here are really saints now as well..

“The ignorance of the Bible and the works of the Holy Spirit have placed many people, churches, radio and television ministries, and itinerant ministries in jeopardy for their very existence because they are so desperate for success, numbers and money that they are ready to chase after any experience or anybody whom they think will attract people to them. There are many people today who do not know their Scriptures and the penalties that come from straying away from them. They are like the Sadducees of whom Jesus said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God” (Matt. 22: 29; Mk. 12: 24).”  http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf

Their ignorance of the Bible is alone not the issue, most Christians, church leaders  also wrongfully personally do pick and choose what parts of the Bible they will practice, and which one they will not. All professing Christians daily need to practice what they know, even the ten commandments.

I went to a Church for the first time in the Calgary NW Suburb AND I KNEW AFTER ONE SERVICE THE EVANGELICAL PASTOR WAS A CROOK, A LIAR.. My friends insisted I return to the church, but in the process they had told me that the pastor was lying about me, slandering me to others, even to them as well.. This has often happened to me by pastors of other churches, in Calgary, Montréal too, seems the much too many bad pastors like to slander and Gossip. At the next church service I had shared openly with the congregation at the end of the service that their pastor had been accused of lying, slandering me, and even stealing, , misappropriation of funds , lying also by others. The majority of Congregation members disagreed. Ten years later there was a knock on the door of my home and one of the church members told me face to face the same Calgary NW pastor was fired for lying, stealing funds. I always had wondered why it took them so long to see the truth about him?

It was very interesting fact that the clearly bad pastors of TACF Toronto Airport Church fellowship had resorted to a commercial lawsuit over rather resorting to pray in dealing with one of their critics,
 
Where in the world did so many of evangelical pastors wrongfully get the idea they personally now  are beyond any rightful criticism? rebuke, corrections? Certainly not from God.

It is very ironic that I have often said that if you really want to know how spiritual someone is, do first see how they do in regard their emphasis on the  importance of money, for their related greed for it will show their true spiritual values, or rather the lack of it. It is thus  interesting that the CMA disputes causing News headlines was over money. Many persons already are too often rightfully complaining that too many evangelical pastors even are too often still  greedy for filthy lucre, and they really do not care about the spiritual welfare, physical needs of others.
 
It is absurd for anyone to now even to try to hoodwink me as to how supposedly spiritually the Christian Missionary Alliance Church is as well, rather in truth the CMA Corporation now is supposedly. It would not work for I already do know the much too many negative truths about the CMA  firsthand and for many decades now too. No amount of whitewash can cover up their real dirty plays still too as I have seen firsthand.

Christians doing still dirty works and hiding behind titles, corporate names still is also unacceptable… does not impress me at all.    My door bell rang and a person was there asking for donations to World Vision Canada, asking me if I had heard of it? Have I personally heard of it?  a vice president of this corporation that I had personally known, been to his home too had already lied about me, slandered me, spread other people’s lies about me.. He was an ex Christian & Missionary Alliance Missionary NOW AS WELL. Like I said many times before God still  expects all professing Christians to live a godly  life, not just pretend they do… God does not overlook human right abuses even by so called Christians now too.. for God is not impressed by what Church they go to, where they work, and what fancy title they may have now as well.

Is 2:22 Cease to trust in [weak, frail, and dying] man, whose breath is in his nostrils [for so short a time]; in what sense can he be counted as having intrinsic worth?
  
1 Cor 1:10 -13 says, “Now I beseech you, brethren, BY THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; (sects or denominations) but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
    
How can you love and serve two masters? The Bible says you can’t. Whose name will you serve? In the name of Jesus, or in some man-made sectarian name? “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served….BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.” Josh 24:15.
  

(1 Cor 11:1 KJV)  Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.  1 John 2:27  “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” “Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.”

“But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all”. Mark 10:42-44.

“Not for that we have dominion over your faith , but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand” 2 Cor 1:23.

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