Missing the point?

May 25, 2008

Sickness & healings, Revivals

Filed under: Christianity — Tags: , , , , , — thenonconformer @ 6:07 pm

 There are these days even on the net false Teachers or Bullies, Persons who Know it all, the false persons still too  who mostly have not read the Bible firstly too.. and who want to teach others, or mislead them

Often I asked my personal option about some TV evangelists, and those I have met, dealt with in my  experience I can talk about, and those I have not I really cannot fully comment too.Yes sometimes some of us are too critical, too judgmental of others, we wrongfully are too quick to speak and other times too slow.I had a serious heart problem, my heart was beating 122 beats per minute instead of 68 or 72.. God next told me to go to hear an evangelsist who was in the Hotel just for the weekend and I did. The evangelist called someone here has a serious heart problem come forth so I can pray for you.. I did not. I waited.. he repeated his call.. I went forward, he prayed for me and my heart beat went to normal. No one can deny that reality now too.
I have certainly now learned firsthand often now that I can post the identical comments on many different professing Christians sites and next get completely opposite Reponses. Now why is that? How can there be completely different spirits on professing Christian sites.. some people have sites with different agendas, some have sites to promote God, Jesus Christ, others have sites that are there to promote self, their personal even hidden agendas, denominations..I watched a Video of the preacher and I saw nothing wrong with it, for I had been to many such types of services myself, and yet others now use the same video to be critcal of the preacher and I still cannot see why?
The baptism of the Holy spirit, the gifts of the Holy spirit, the Anointing , tongues, Prophets, Apostles, miracle workers, have become unarguably the most overused, overworked, misunderstood, misinterpreted, contentious terms in the non Pentecostal and in the Non Charismatic arenas, mainly in the fundamental religious circles even because many of these people are mostly still serving self, doing their own thing, looking up to mere man and not God.. man’s help useless for the most part in understanding spiritual things still too. Beyond the show of a doubt the devil firstly really hates any references to the Holy sprit, the anointed ones, the idea that Christians do have now empowering to overcome the devil too… and so the devil uses any of his followers, those in the fundamental religious circles too now, to now lie, twist, distort the truths…   
I have had only one encounter with a real angel in my life, and his discussion with me helped me to have certain things in my life straightened out.
I recently wrote back rightfully to one bully, basher, ignorant person that he should not be so readily to try to preach, to teach others, especially in matters he really new nothing about or had never experienced personally himself.  It is ludicrous still as to how many so called experts can write about their own ignorance of Tongues, Healing, the Bible, Angels too.. On top of that what makes matters worse is the tendency of the devil to make us either have personally initially totally false values, or got to an extreme with a good value. I have been there too myself. When it came to the subject of healing now too.
 Some demons, persons would have us either totally reject all doctors and trust in God alone or reject  all supernatural healings instead. Why?

I admit God told me he next would do for me what the Doctors would not do so I have been both to the doctors, and I also have seen personal healings in my own life and in the members of my own family now too. By the way healings can still also  be gradual or instantaneous too.
If it was God’s will for us to stay sick then why would God allow the Hospitals to be built, or why would Jesus himself now cure the sick people..
(Heb 13:8 KJV)  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(Heb 13:12 KJV)  Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

(Acts 10:38 KJV)  How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
(Isa 53:5 KJV)  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Some of the  distorted preachers, even pentecostals do too often do teach that any  Christian should not be sick at all and that we can always immediately claim our sickness healing by faith and God will always heal us. They seem too easily to forget that  a temporary human sickness can temporary serve God’s purposes.  But also yet the Fundamentals Evangelcials too now also go overboard denying that any healing tend to exist today as well. Relatedly as Jesus himself had said this is not always the case..  sickness can exist for the glory of God too. But it is still always God will to deliver us from all evil, all sicknesses now too.. and how and when he God chooses to do so is his prerogative..
Relatedly a  too common Pentecostal Word Faith teaching is that it is solely, always  your own personal fault for being sick.  This false teaching of sin being the cause of all sickness can also be found in Hinduism as well.  They teach that it is because of your own lack of faith and/or knowledge, unconfessed sins if you are sick or poor.   This unloving, cruel and unbiblical teaching does not come from God but from Satan who distorted God’s basic truths on healing. Can you imagine the gall of anyone, even a false elder, pastor, unlovingly trying to tell a person to their face that the reason their daughter sick is because of their lack of faith?  or that God is punishing them of their own sin? Can you imagine the cruelty in telling a person bound to a wheelchair that if they had enough “faith” they would  surely  “Rise and be healed?”  But what does the Bible say about it, teach.

Most of the problem with the clear Christian teaching discrepancies on Healing and Sickness is due firstly to the real personal ignorance of what the Bible teaches even about Healing. Most Christian people wrongfully rely mainly on some famous preacher who is pro or con to healing and Not on God and his Word firstly. Many people have their mind made up beforehand anyway and are not honestly open to the subjects and they thus tend use out of context bible verses, the preachers quotations to try to suit, substantiate their own pet views.. they need to read these verses..

(Mat 8:7 KJV)  And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

(Mat 10:1 KJV)  And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

(Mat 10:8 KJV)  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

(Mat 12:10 KJV)  And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.

(Mat 13:15 KJV)  For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

(Mark 3:15 KJV)  And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:

(Luke 4:18 KJV)  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Many people want to know why the miracles of Christ are not abounding today.. the answer is quite simple..
(Mat 13:57 KJV)  And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
(Mat 13:58 KJV)  And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
(Gal 3:5 KJV)  He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Mat 15:28 KJV)  Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
(Mat 21:21 KJV)  Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22  And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
(Mark 2:5 KJV)  When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
(Mark 10:52 KJV)  And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
(Mark 11:22 KJV)  And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
(Acts 20:21 KJV)  Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Rom 10:17 KJV)  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(James 1:6 KJV)  But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8   A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

The point I want to make is that I have had both dreams from God and often demonic nightmares from the devil.. we see seeds and tares in our life often, in the church.
(Mat 13:24 KJV)  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26   But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27  So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
So yes sometimes it can be too early to judge a matter too.
I immediately do still renounce the devils nightmare and dissolve them by the shed blood of Jesus and in the name of Jesus
As per the dream given to me by God  I had a dream  where God, Jesus is Lord also in a city far far away and I did not forget the city, that dream stayed with me even to date.. I was  literary amazed by it’s size and beauty. I TOO WAS NOW CAPTIVATED BY GOD’S DREAM
Like many of us I have been facing serious daily life and death struggles, dealing with the unknowns in particular since I have had serious heart problems, and heart surgery, and also often serious demonic oppressions.
 I have spent much times driving in Alberta enjoying the Rocky Mountain view, and listening to scripture in songs too, For me God was undeniably  majestic in these surroundings  and so naturally I wanted to return there ASAP, but with my after not dully successful  heart surgery, many related  doctor appointments I was unable to do so. God had previously told me he had provided me everything I need in my present local, everything.
Being upset at this I had seriously prayed about it as to why I could not return to Alberta. Shortly next had a clear, very vivid dream vision, where I saw a view of Montreal looking at the the south shore, except the south shore had a  European, historical, looking large city there. This was a beautiful city and I had certainly wanted to go there to see it.. Next I was told I would not cross the river. I understood next that That large city across the river I saw was heaven itself  and I looked forward to seeing it. I was not to go there yet..
I then saw an immediate top view of the Montreal general Hospital itself. The voice said I had to go there next. I did not understand why till the same week I saw my heart doctor who said I needed a costly heart deliberator installed, for I had a tendency to die in my sleep, and it next shortly   was installed. .. The installed deliberator immediately also seemed to help me with my past breathing problem and it was  much appreciated . Now I go every 3 months to the MGH for regular heart check ups. But that dream of the heavenly city and the fact God cared about me to speak to me this still stays with me for years too now and brightens up my life with eternal glory, joy.
Is 22:20 And in that day I will call My servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah.  21 And I will clothe him with your robe and will bind your girdle on him and will commit your authority to his hand; he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.  22 And the key of the house of David I will lay upon his shoulder; he shall open and no one shall shut, he shall shut and no one shall open.  23 And I will fasten him like a peg {or} nail in a firm place; and he will become a throne of honor {and} glory to his father’s house.  24 And they will hang on him the honor {and} the whole weight of [responsibility for] his father’s house: the offspring and issue [of the family, high and low], every small vessel, from the cups even to all the flasks {and} big bulging bottles.  25 In that day, says the Lord of hosts, the nail {or} peg that was fastened into the sure place shall give way {and} be moved and be hewn down and fall, and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off; for the Lord has spoken it.
Here it is very clear in the Old Testament too – God has transferred all of the ownership, rulership  kingship of Israel to Jesus Christ himself.. that is what I look forward too, the heavenly kingdom too  


(Prov 11:1 KJV)  A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
(Prov 11:2 KJV)  When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
(Acts 13:1 KJV)  Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
(1 Cor 12:28 KJV)  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
(1 Cor 12:29 KJV)  Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
(Eph 4:11 KJV)  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
(1 Tim 1:7 KJV)  Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
(2 Tim 4:3 KJV)  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(Titus 2:3 KJV)  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(Heb 5:12 KJV)  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
(2 Pet 2:1 KJV)  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
I have yet to be at a really perfect Church service.. for sadly we all all sinners and we all will continue to sin here on earth.It is also true too many people have their eyes on the preacher, instead of Jesus Christ.I was in a super great Church once, even though the Pastors were stealing, abusing the funds, committing adultery, counseling divorce, gossiping, slandering, lying, and so forth. The Holy Spirit due to the prayers of some of the faithful persons there was really moving in their services, and many people were getting saved, healed and delivered, and the praise and worship services were really great. God specifically had told me to go to this church as well, but he had put a condition on it, he said do not talk with, communicate, fellowship with any of the pastors. I had done some great personal counseling in that Church as well.. met some great and also bad people.But eventually one day next came when I had to talk to the same pastors, and even to tell them that God was going to get rid of them, to next deal with them negatively and God did! God next broke down this large Calgary church because it had grown big in size and had become perverse. All of the pastors were next removed from it as well.(Micah 3:6 KJV) Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.Many persons go to church expecting personally to be helped by the pastor and they do next walk away disappointed. Their first normal mistake was having any personal expectations of any help from the Pastors, even though this may be an honest expectation, for our help is in the Lord and all our expectations should come only of Him.  Try to go to church expecting only to see Jesus Christ, to get any desired help from Jesus only, and not any man,or women, and expect nothing else, have no expectation of any good from the pastors, elders and you certainly will next not be disappointed.
(1 Cor 4:21 KJV) What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
(2 Cor 10:1 KJV) Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ,
(Gal 5:23 KJV) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.(Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.(Eph 4:2 KJV) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;(Col 3:12 KJV) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;(1 Tim 6:11 KJV) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.(2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;(Titus 3:2 KJV) To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men.

(James 1:21 KJV) Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

(James 3:13 KJV) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

(1 Pet 3:15 KJV) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

When I encounter crooked evangelical pastors and I have many times. I first talk to them personally or write to them alone and I do ask them to repent.. and I have next helped to fire many of them too.. the ones who refused to repent.






  1. Your recent comment on my blog is spot on. I think you for the insight you have brought to this problem and hope that somehow others will see the light and reach out to help bring this problem under control.
    Keep doing what God has blessed you to do and together we will move this mountain.


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