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September 16, 2013

So what about the Sabbath?

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John 1
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
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It should be clear that Jews and even Messianic Jews do lie, contradict the new testament, follow their own false, obsolete Judaic religion to anyone too.. and one lying Messianic mis interpretation of the scripture does not proves that the Jewish only  law or rather the Jewish  commandments are still in effect…do not base your decision and use of one  scripture on truth rather read the whole New testament..  these Judiazers have been Known liars for 2000 years already and that is amazing..
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Romans 3
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
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Romans 9
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone;
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Galatians 2
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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Galatians 3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
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If you are a true Christian Believer in Christ then hpw can   you post the obsolete ten commandments.. real Christians do not worship on the Sabbath. Hebrews said, “For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God [born-again Jews and Gentiles]; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His” (Hebrews 4:8-10). Jesus said, “Come unto me all you who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”Colossians 2:16-17, the apostle Paul declares, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”
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Nowhere in Scripture is the Sabbath day commanded to be the day of worship. Yes, Jews in Old Testament, New Testament, and modern times use Saturday as the day of worship, but that is not the essence of the Sabbath command. In the book of Acts, whenever a meeting is said to be on the Sabbath, it is a meeting of Jews, not Christians. The Roman Catholics even did not institute worship on the Lord’s Day, The Bible consists of two covenants, the Old and the New. The Old Covenant (Old Testament) includes, of course, the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Bible). The New Covenant (New Testament) is “a better covenant” (Hebrews 8:6 KJV). The New Covenant is better for at least two reasons: The Old Covenant applied only to the Jews and no one could keep it because they did not have the power to do so, and if any of the Jews broke the Law at just one point they were guilty of breaking the whole Law (James 2:10 NIV). The New Covenant includes not only Jews if they repent of their sins and receive Jesus Christ (are born again), but Gentiles also.
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And Christians met regularly on the first day of the week (our Sunday), not the Sabbath day (our Saturday) (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). In honor of Christ’s resurrection on Sunday, a day to especially worship Jesus Christ. It is not recorded anywhere in God’s Word that He imposed Sabbath-keeping on any holy men of God (or anyone else), nor how to keep the Sabbath before the Law of Moses was given about 1425 B.C., more than 2,500 years after Creation! Adam, Noah, Enoch ,Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), Joseph all did not observe the Sabbath and many others.True Christians, whether born-again Jews or Gentiles, have entered the Sabbath Rest which is Jesus Christ. Jesus, himself, did not keep the Sabbath. On the Sabbath, “Jesus said to them [the Jews], ‘My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I, too, am working.’ For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him; not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making himself equal with God” (John 5:17-18). Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for He does not keep the Sabbath” (John 9:16).Jesus did not sin, by not keeping the Sabbath, because He was, and is, sinless. Indeed, Jesus is The Sabbath, in whom Christians (saved Jews and Gentiles) rest. All those who have not been born again, whether Jews or Gentiles, have not entered into The Sabbath rest. The Messianic Jews, Seventh Day Adventists and some other Sabbatarians are still so deceived and so hung up on the Sabbath (which none really keep) that they go to the absurd extreme of claiming that worshipping on the Lord’s Day is taking the mark of the beast!
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Messianic Jews, Judaizer , Seventh day Adventist, Jehovah Wittnesses what do they have in common? well they follow the old testament laws for a start, those laws that God has given for the Jewish people alone to observe and not to the Christian Persons.. Christian persons follow solely the laws of the New Testament..
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Now about the Judaizers
v. Ju·da·ized, Ju·da·iz·ing, Ju·da·iz·es. v.tr. To bring into conformity with Judaism. v.intr. To adopt Jewish customs and beliefs. ( Not the Christian ones)
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Now if I eat meat, can I still claim to be a vegetarian? No, of course not!
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Could you be Christian and DENY Jesus and his finished work on the cross as well? NO
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SO WITH THE Same logic. You can’t be Jewish, a Jew, a Judiazer and also now EMBRACE Jesus.
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Almost a Christian is not the same thing as being a real Christian.
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What a really mess this all is with many people following their own religion version basically and not the true religion of Jesus Christ found in the New Testament. Do they even rightfully firstly understand that Christianity teaches that Judaism is the ‘old’ covenant which Christianity has replaced? As nobody today can follow both religions; for they are mutually exclusive.
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I agree that once you accept Jesus, you’re a Christian and no longer a Jew or a messianic Jew nor a Seventh Day Adventist…
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Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
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1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
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We already know that Colossians 2:6-17 says God abolished the Sabbath..
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Colossians 2:6-17 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
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And Constantine was what 300 years later AFTER JESUS…. The first Pope did not exist until 606 AD! (over 500 years too late) This is far too late because Christians were meeting on Sundays from the earliest record of history. Now neither the Pope or Emperor Constantine still did not change the Sabbath to Sunday. do you really know what you are even talking about now? in GOD’s name Judiazer do Now for the GRACE of GOD DO NOW stop your lies.. “
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The pope changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday” This false argument originated with the Adventist’s inspired prophet E.G. White: The holy Sabbath looked glorious- a halo of glory was all around it. I saw that the Sabbath commandment was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to break them all as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for he never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh day to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws.” (Early Writings of Ellen G. White, page 33, official Adventist publication) Again on page 65 of the same book Mrs. White says, “The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventy to the first day.” Ellen G. White was and is a a false prophet: Still Seventh-day Adventists CAN OFFER ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that Christians in the church in Rome OBSERVED the Sabbath! NONE WHAT SO EVER..NEW TESTAMENT Bible records that Christians were meeting Sundays from the first century AD!
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The Sabbatarians can’t get their story straight! Who changed the Sabbath? Is it the pope, Constantine or some Christians in Rome?
-First they say the Pope changed the Sabbath. Then, when that proves false, they claim Constantine changed it!
-Then when that is proven wrong they now say that “Christians in Rome” changed the Sabbath to Sunday
-There is nothing there to say that Constantine changed anything. Constantine was making a civil decree that because Christians were already meeting on Sunday, as they were doing since the time of the Apostles, that the Christians should not work on Sunday. Read it again!
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AS TO THE study the origin of Christianity.. so what are these books that you will now use besides the Bible, THE FALSE TALMUD??? As there are even less than a handful of books available in the whole world from the ACTUAL time of Jesus Christ as the Romans had burn all the Jewish and even the not Jewish Christian books.. Post your list here for all to see.. all while the Bible itself, the New Testament indicates that Christians worshipped on Sunday after the resurrection of Jesus Christ and after the Jews had kicked them out of the synagogues too,, and by the way the people who tend to be really weird also as they falsely support the worship of Sabbath falsely demand you observe many other non applicable, redundant Jewish and demonic laws such as celebration of Jewish feast, Jewish food dietary laws, etc.,,.. get real..
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And to a claim that some  know the whole scriptures is clearly even falsehood when they clearly do not even know Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit for a start.. otherwise they would not promote your lies, falsehoods.. bondage
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All Personal Salvation, eternal life, is through Jesus Christ and not Judaism,, Judaism is dead to God after they helped to kill him.. “He came unto his own, and his own received him not” (John 1:11). “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God” (Romans 10:2-3).
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Romans 9: 1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises. 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. … 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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The oracles of God were His spoken and written words. In other words, God’s word has come to man through the Jews. Even the New Testament was written by Jews.To Israel was given the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the law, the service of God, the promises and the fathers. Although God’s gifts were initially to Israel, next now all mankind has benefitted through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. “he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham” (Hebrews 2:16). Notice he is described as coming from the seed of Abraham, not the seed of the Jews, Issac.. Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift” (II Cor.9:15).
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Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
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The problem of the Jew is that even though through Judaism he is demanded a perfectly righteous life, what God requires, he still cannot live it and next he cannot enter into heaven as a direct result even. Their Jewish religion, Judaism has not and will not given them peace or eternal life.
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“Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless” (Philippians 3:5-6). Yet Apostle Paul still did not trust in his own Jewish religion and related righteousness . In fact, he said that, “what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ” (Philippians 3:7). He counted all things but loss that he might win Christ and “be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness
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Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. Constantine next created, confirmed the earliest official Sunday law known to history in AD 321.
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” On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.ii “
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Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD):
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“Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christanity”
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None of these dates related to the Book of acts worshipping on Sunday but are merely their enforcements.. so you see how the liars lie about Sunday worship being false..
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Yes the Christians in the new testament no longer went to a Jewish temple on Saturday but to a Christian Church on Sunday.. the whole Bible truth still IS THAT while Zion is no longer specially mentioned in the New Testament as being important, Zion is the Hebrew name of Jerusalem, the new Testament reference of Old Zion is no longer of real significance, or of any importance – the Old Jerusalem, but the sole, main emphasis now is only on the New Jerusalem where Christians will live that will descends from heaven next.. the daughter of Jerusalem or Zion now is clearly solely now the church.. the bride of Jesus Christ –
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Heb 12.22-24 points out, the terrifying experience of Mount Sinai is no more, but rather, ‘you have come to Mount Zion and the City of the Living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant…’ Plainly, Zion here is a spiritual place, the realm of salvation. The old world of the old covenant will be shaken and only what is unshakeable will remain, but ‘we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken’ [Heb 12.27,28].
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But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels King James Bible. Under the old covenant, the invisible God dwelt in the ark of the covenant. Within that ark were the stone tablets on which God had personally inscribed the 10 commandments. The two stones can be viewed as a token of God’s covenant with the children of Israel. But also we see that the Lord himself was the true covenant — the word and the guarantor of that word.
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Under the new covenant, the invisible God — the Spirit of God — dwells in the mind of the believer, making the believer’s body, ‘the temple of the Holy Spirit’ [1 Cor 6.19]. So then, would God go back to the old covenant in order to take up residence in another stone temple?
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Ps. 14.7 ‘O that the salvation of Israel would come out of Zion, when the Lord restores his captive people, Jacob will rejoice, Israel will be glad.’
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Jesus rose to heaven out of Jerusalem, where he could then send the Spirit to the Jews — and Gentiles — who were to be set free. ‘Whom the son sets free is free in deed'[John 8.36].
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‘The Lord loves the gates of Zion more than all the other dwelling places of Jacob.’
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English-language translations of the Bible customarily italicize words not found in the Hebrew or Greek scriptures but that seemed necessary. In this case, if we omit ‘other,’ we can interpret this passage to say that ‘Jacob’ refers to the unregenerate Jew. He cannot enter Zion until he has been transformed, by the renewing of his mind [Rom 12.2] into ‘Israel.’ The name ‘Israel’ means ‘wrestler with god’ and the name ‘Jacob’ means ‘he who grabs by the heel’ or more generally ‘trickster.’
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Recall the encounter between Jesus and Nathanael, who knew salvation was to proceed from Jerusalem. Nathanael’s question ‘Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?’ was followed by Jesus’ retort: ‘Look, a real Israeli, in whom there is no guile.’ Or, that is: ‘Look, a real contender with God, in whom there is no Jacob.’
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Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles in Christ are all now only Christians. In God’s eyes, there is no distinction. ‘For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks [Gentiles], whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one spirit.’ [1 Cor 12.13].
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Ps. 87.6 ‘The Lord will count when he registers the peoples, “This one was born there [in Zion].”
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As Jesus said, the birth that counts is the spiritual birth. Those written in the Lamb’s Book of Life [Rev 20.12] have been born of the Spirit, not of flesh and blood [Jn 3.5,6]. So there is no use having been born in Jerusalem if one hasn’t been born again, saved by the intervention of Jesus Christ.
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Ps 110.1,2’The LORD says to my Lord: sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. The LORD will stretch forth your strong scepter from Zion…’
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Jesus cites this passage [Mt 22.44] to show that David calls his son, the Messiah, his lord. So then we can be sure that Jesus is one with YHWH (the name of God using only consonants, as translated from Hebrew) whose great power over heaven and earth extends from the kingdom of God, which is Zion.
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So then the new Zion is filled with the new Israel, the redeemed Jews and Gentiles Christians only . Under the new covenant, ‘the virgin daughter of Zion’ [2 Kings 19.21] has become the bride of Christ [2 Cor 11.2, Rev 21.9,24]. ‘For out of Jerusalem will go forth a remnant, and out of Mount Zion, survivors’ [2 Kings 19.31]. This prophecy was fulfilled by the fact that the Jewish identity survived Nebuchadnezzar’s destruction of Jerusalem, but that prophecy is fulfilled in an expanded sense by the fact that born-gain Jewish Christians, the ultimate survivors, fanned out from Jerusalem after the death of Jesus Christ
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