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June 13, 2008

What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism?

What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism?

Incidentally I got this email this week saying..

> – I will be relocating to the USA (San Diego, CA) in the next 1-2
> months to pursue further studies, and will be here for at least 4
> years…
> – What is the state of the Pentecostal church in the USA, are there
> many churches? I learnt not too long ago (to my huge surprise) that
> the Pentecostal movement, which is so widespread and growing in the
> rest of the world (including Australia) is a minority in the USA.
> What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism?
> – Do you know much about the Christian climate in the USA today? What
> is it like? As a foreign Christian coming to the US, is there
> anything you think I should know, or educate myself about?

In my reply I had said… Firstly Pentecostals are often undeniably and wrongfully hated in Canada AND IN THE US by the fundamental evangelicals, Baptists, Brethren, others. and many Pnetacostals, including even the CMA- Christian & Missionary Alliance,  – Alliance, PAOC, AOG are all no saints still too.. and you can see great examples of how they all do poorly behave towards others on the net often too

There is no denial as to how cold, ruthless, uncompassionate, uncaring, immoral, ruthless, slanderous, gossiping, abusive the majority of evangelical pastors  too Canada wide where in my many personal encounters, experiences  that I had  in the last 4 decades too but I did rightfully did not throw out the baby with the dirty wash water. Rather I rightfully tended to ask the bad pastors and their bad supporters now too to change to repent instead..

THE STATE OF THE CHURCH IN THE US IS A PRETENTIOUS ONE, A SOCIAL CLUB, MONEY HUNGRY PEOPLE AND ALSO SEX ORIENTED, AND THEY ALL SEEM TO DESPISE THE POOR PEOPLE TOO.. The high divorce rate even amongts the evangelicals substantiates this too.

AND it seems they all need to be told what the Bible actually says firstly, for only 5 percent of Christians read their Bible, and only 25 percent of people are saved in the Christian churches… pastors included now.. few of them pray except for their own selfish needs..

Most evangelical pastors are still hirelings, only care about getting more money it still seems too..

Beware when men say good things about you, for RATHER IN TRUTH they had prosecuted the many good prophets before you.

Two sides of the same story. My local Baptist Church pastor had told me what a reliable, honorable man my father in law was, I guess he was buttering me up for a donation.. bit just shortly after that I went to a funeral of my father in law’s relative. There the close relatives told me first hand a whole different story. My father in law was a womanizer, a boozer, had been even separated from his wife as well, and had been kick out of a Brethren church cause they considered him and his acts as being non Christian. Next really I could not see anything Christian about him now as well..  Telling lies is a sin even for a pastor now too.
   
(Mat 10:17 KJV) But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

(Col 2:8 KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

(Mat 5:11 KJV) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

(Mat 5:12 KJV) Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

(Mat 5:22 KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

(Acts 17:11 KJV) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

I have had over a decade of pentacostal experiences and I had more decades of Baptist, Brethren experiences too.

One sole initially reason I had left the Baptist, Brethren church is their false hatred, false bashing of the Pentecostals.. and I was not even a Pentecostal at that time but I could see how unkind, unloving most of the fundamental Christians, Baptists who did this bashing, bullying as to what they really were like.. clearly their own fruits, actions showed to all what they were firstly like. The other reason I left them was also because of their clear ignorance of the Bible itself, it was almost deliberate too. They too often actually had refused to mention, or to quote, discuss the Bible never mind honestly too in my decades of experiences with them, and with many, many of their pastors now too..

Now I have often shared my view that fundamental pastors does not recognize the authority existence of Apostles, Prophets especially while pastors , plural term too, are only mentioned once in the new testament now in contrast to the others- elders, apostle’s prophets’ mentioning, existence.. it seems it was because they the pastors refused to mutually submit to others, for pride and rebellion are classical common and historical sins even of many church leaders now too.

>>But why would a prophet set up a website that resembles nothing more than than the “Christian” version of a gossip magazines.

Firstly my how personal and judgmental that above remarks to me appears.. especially in the light when we know for sure that most pastors are immoral, meaning really non perfect and yet all of a sudden the New testament prophet is to be a perfect man.. when for a record one of the greatest old testament prophets Moses, was also now imperfect, quite wrong, punished, for his sin of disobeying God, not allowed to go to the promise land too. Let us be consistent then to both groups.. all of the pastors, prophets too.. Ironically the way they the professing Christians try to bash Pentecostals on many Christians sites reminds me more of ungodly, secular person’s behavior rightfully now too.

Let’s be fair all the old testament prophets were often condemned, not accepted as well.. so now even why would it be different today? EVEN HERE?

“The ignorance of the Bible and the works of the Holy Spirit have placed many people, churches, radio and television ministries, and itinerant ministries in jeopardy for their very existence because they are so desperate for success, numbers and money that they are ready to chase after any experience or anybody whom they think will attract people to them. There are many people today who do not know their Scriptures and the penalties that come from straying away from them. They are like the Sadducees of whom Jesus said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God” (Matt. 22: 29; Mk. 12: 24).”  http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf

Their ignorance of the Bible is alone not the issue, most Christians, church leaders  also wrongfully personally do pick and choose what parts of the Bible they will practice, and which one they will not. All professing Christians daily need to practice what they know, even the ten commandments.

I went to a Church for the first time in the Calgary NW Suburb AND I KNEW AFTER ONE SERVICE THE EVANGELICAL PASTOR WAS A CROOK, A LIAR.. My friends insisted I return to the church, but in the process they had told me that the pastor was lying about me, slandering me to others, even to them as well.. This has often happened to me by pastors of other churches, in Calgary, Montréal too, seems the much too many bad pastors like to slander and Gossip. At the next church service I had shared openly with the congregation at the end of the service that their pastor had been accused of lying, slandering me, and even stealing, , misappropriation of funds , lying also by others. The majority of Congregation members disagreed. Ten years later there was a knock on the door of my home and one of the church members told me face to face the same Calgary NW pastor was fired for lying, stealing funds. I always had wondered why it took them so long to see the truth about him?

Why?? most people are bad sheep who follow the leaders, or Ostriches when it comes to negative truths..

Most people also  are not aware that the Canadian Pentecostal assemblies of Canada churches PAOC are a break away from the Christian Missionary Alliance church firstly and they have a very similar church management structure, a corporation with a corporate president even that does not disclose all the expenditures to the all of the donators now too. .. not your expected  congregationally managed, owned local church ..

Yes the same Christian Missionary alliance church, rather Corporation.. the bad so called church that our Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper goes too. The Christian and Missionary Alliance (COMA) is an Evangelical Protestant denomination within Christianity. Founded by Rev. Albert Benjamin Simpson in 1887, the Christian & Missionary Alliance did not start off as a denomination, but rather began as two distinct Para church organizations: The Christian Alliance which focused on the pursuit and promotion of the Higher Christian life and The Evangelical Missionary Alliance, which focused on mobilizing “consecrated” Christians in the work of foreign missionary efforts. These two groups amalgamated in 1897 to form The Christian and Missionary Alliance. It was only much later during the mid twentieth century that an official denomination was formed. See my posts on the CMA.. It is owned and controlled by a Corporation. The Pentecostal Assembly of Canada, PAOC broke away from this corporation and formed it’s own corporation, so called church..

It was very interesting fact that the clearly bad pastors of TACF Toronto Airport Church fellowship had resorted to a commercial lawsuit over rather resorting to pray in dealing with one of their critics,
 
Where in the world did so many of evangelical pastors wrongfully get the idea they personally now  are beyond any rightful criticism? rebuke, corrections? Certainly not from God.

It is very ironic that I have often said that if you really want to know how spiritual someone is, do first see how they do in regard their emphasis on the  importance of money, for their related greed for it will show their true spiritual values, or rather the lack of it. It is thus  interesting that the CMA disputes causing News headlines was over money. Many persons already are too often rightfully complaining that too many evangelical pastors even are too often still  greedy for filthy lucre, and they really do not care about the spiritual welfare, physical needs of others.
 
It is absurd for anyone to now even to try to hoodwink me as to how supposedly spiritually the Christian Missionary Alliance Church is as well, rather in truth the CMA Corporation now is supposedly. It would not work for I already do know the much too many negative truths about the CMA  firsthand and for many decades now too. No amount of whitewash can cover up their real dirty plays still too as I have seen firsthand.

Christians doing still dirty works and hiding behind titles, corporate names still is also unacceptable… does not impress me at all.    My door bell rang and a person was there asking for donations to World Vision Canada, asking me if I had heard of it? Have I personally heard of it?  a vice president of this corporation that I had personally known, been to his home too had already lied about me, slandered me, spread other people’s lies about me.. He was an ex Christian & Missionary Alliance Missionary NOW AS WELL. Like I said many times before God still  expects all professing Christians to live a godly  life, not just pretend they do… God does not overlook human right abuses even by so called Christians now too.. for God is not impressed by what Church they go to, where they work, and what fancy title they may have now as well.

THE MAN KING OF THE HOUSE, THE WOMAN HIS DUTIFUL SUBJECT. The man is the king of the  household, and the wife is only the prime minister. There is no confusion or overlapping of authority. The will of the husband is law. He has the  only   place of honor . The arrangements of the house, the company entertained, and the service employed, all have respect to his wishes and to his convenience. The wife conducts the affairs of state for the king. She has her household and, more than  her personal allowance, and she renders a strict account of stewardship.   The wife’s personal expenditures are less, much less than the husband’s. The will of the husband is the  undisputed law; as to the wife her person, her property, her children under his sole control even to the present time are the rights secured to the husband under present English law. Like it or not but these laws were based on the Bible, which states   (Eph 5:23 KJV) ” For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”  

and most Evangelical pastors DO need to recognize, preach  AND PRACTICE this still too.
  
When I go public I often get threats of a lawsuit, not just the politicians sending the police to my door, but I do not back off, and I always seem to tell them to go ahead.. the lawsuit will give the matter more publicity too.. and they back off.
   

Can anyone sue for defamation of character/libel/slander for PERSONAL statements made even on the Internet? But if it’s true there is no CASE for defamation or slander. And if it is NOT true they still will have to show specific, related proof of actual damages, not just some supposed potential damages. Furthermore the law still requires that they do reply to all allegations in the manner they had firstly have received them immediately too, within a reasonable period of time, and if they have not bothered to deny, reply to, to object any of the charges of wrong doings, allegations initially, after a reasonable period of time, a maximum of 6 months they not longer can do so, for now it is accepted they are true. Do ALL stop being sue crazy or nicky picky too.

Many many pastors do wrongfully still  think that the citizens complaints about them  is all a big joke, they laugh at it, mock them too. Don’t believe me, just  do an internet search “Walter Kambulow” and see their poor  responses to his writings. Pastors falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do  threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. They seem to have nice cars, nice homes, great salaries, expensive perks, vacations too too many of them.. Pastors Jim Baker,  Jimmy Swaggart was not the first or last pervert, crook.
 
The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems  and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also preach.

 

 

 

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/distorters-disrupters-decievers/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/christian-and-missionary-alliance-denomination/  http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/christian-missionary-alliance/   

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/christians-are-supposedly-to-be-different/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/unchristian/

 

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15 Comments »

  1. If you are a Lutheran, your sect was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
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    If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel, Holiness Church, or Pilgrim Holiness Church, your sect is one of the many thousands of new sects and religions founded by men within the past several hundred years.
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    If you are a traditional Roman Catholic, you know that your Church was founded in the year 33 A.D. by Jesus Christ, the Messias, the Son of God.

    Comment by Borla Cormbi — June 13, 2008 @ 4:24 am

  2. Your list had left out the CMA, the Christian Missionary alliance church, rather Corporation.. the bad so called church that our Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper goes too.

    The Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) is an Evangelical Protestant denomination within Christianity.

    Founded by Rev. Albert Benjamin Simpson in 1887, the Christian & Missionary Alliance did not start off as a denomination, but rather began as two distinct parachurch organizations: The Christian Alliance which focused on the pursuit and promotion of the Higher Christian life and The Evangelical Missionary Alliance, which focused on mobilizing “consecrated” Christians in the work of foreign missionary efforts. These two groups amalgamated in 1897 to form The Christian and Missionary Alliance. It was only much later during the mid twentieth century that an official denomination was formed. See my posts on the CMA.. It is owned and controoled by a Corporation,

    The Pentecostal Assembly of Canada, PAOC broke away from this corporation and formed it’s own corporation, so called church..

    But I was firstly talking about the present time, when professing Christians like yourself as well seem to project hatred, and not love upon other professing Christians which really does not help the matters

    >>your sect is one of the many thousands of new sects and religions founded by men within the past several hundred years.

    and that itself is a mere man’s opinion ironically as well.. not God’s or the Holy Sprit now as well.. anyone who thinks that today that the catholic church is totally true, pure is totally deluded themselves now too..

    God would not have to have had to raise the new church movements if the Catholic Church itself had not become a false apostate one too often.. especially with the false Virgin Mary cult..

    I always still do get a chuckle when people make posts and stray of the posted topic to promote their own diverted agendas.. it shows what they really are like themselves.. deceptive.. The topic was not the good or bad points of the Catholic church itself.. but how professing Christians falsely, wrongfully promote hatred upon others, Pentecostal ones included as you had demonstrated well too.

    Comment by thenonconformer — June 13, 2008 @ 5:07 am

  3. Christianity is a false religion. The Torah is the only true message of G-d. There is no new covenant. The Law is the original and only existing covenant. All churches are teaching a gospel that is false and a lie. Christianity and Christians are the worst problems facing the world today. I discovered Judaism and I fled from the false Christian church.

    Comment by Louis — June 13, 2008 @ 5:08 am

  4. I always still do get a chuckle when people make posts and stray of the posted topic to promote their own diverted agendas.. it shows what they really are like themselves.. deceptive.. how persons like you falsely, wrongfully promote hatred upon others, as you had demonstrated well too.

    The only true relgion is Jesus Christ, look at the Calenadar for your proof too

    2008 AD after the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ..

    Even Moses the OLD law giver had died…

    (Rom 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    (1Co 1:18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    Comment by thenonconformer — June 13, 2008 @ 5:16 am

  5. It is a known fact that the fundamental dispensationalist, Baptist, Brethren. etc., wrongfully seem to love to bash, hate, provoke fights, bully the Charismatic, Pentecostals, Catholics.. under the false disguise of love and truth too, and I used to be naive and think that only ungodly secular persons behave like that to fill that God shaped vacuum they they feel in their heart, lives, but it now turns out these other bad professing fundamental Christians do so as well.. they are certainly not being led by person of the Holy Sprit to do this.. but by the devil too.,, and you can tell that by their lack of real love towards the other Born again Christians..

    Comment by thenonconformer — June 16, 2008 @ 9:59 pm

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  7. Bashing Pentecostals Christians on the net even by fundamentals is a popular sport in the Roman coliseum it seems these days too

    James 1:19-25 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

    Eph 4:26 KJV) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

    (Eph 4:27 KJV) Neither give place to the devil.

    (Eph 4:28 KJV) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

    (Eph 4:29 KJV) Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

    (Eph 4:30 KJV) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    (Eph 4:31 KJV) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

    (Eph 4:32 KJV) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.

    (Eph 5:1 KJV) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

    Some people lie and say anger is a sin, but even God gets angry at sin, ignorance . abuse, injustice and a lot more..

    (John 15:19 KJV) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    (John 15:23 KJV) He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

    (1 John 2:9 KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

    (1 John 2:11 KJV) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

    (1 John 3:15 KJV) Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    (1 John 4:20 KJV) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    Too many sinful. spoiled persons clearly have a false concept of God, that they also falsely try to teach to others too, where God is a good guy, the devil is the bad guy, and in their religion God does not punish anyone for their sin. Now this false theological ostrich concept of God is PERSONALLY mostly held clearly to deny facing the possibility of the existence of the negative consequences for one’s personal sins, to AVOID facing up to, or immediately dealing with them, admitting them. Had they read the Bible they would have seen how God still punishes all persons for their still unrepentant sins.

    Jer 46:28 But I will chasten {and} correct you in just measure, and I will not hold you guiltless by any means {or} leave you unpunished.

    Jer 47:6 O you sword of the Lord, how long will it be before you are quiet?
    .
    Jer 47:7 How can it [the sword of the Lord] be quiet when the Lord has given it an assignment to discharge?

    (Micah 3:8 KJV) But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

    (Micah 3:11 KJV) The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

    (Prov 27:5 KJV) Open rebuke is better than secret love.

    (Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    Good verses we all need to remember often

    Sadly criticism of relgion, relgious practise in our world is often based on personal views, cultural preferences and hidden agendas, etc.. nmany people who are so called experts on relgion.. relgious practises they have never experiecned firsthand are often absurd in their comments now still too.

    Some people like to give it to others but next wrongfully cry, wrongfully do complain when they get it back..

    The truth of what I have experienced the last 3 decades on the net and in many in churches now as well.. the truth that any bad Conservative is not any better than a bad Liberal.. and professing Conservatives, professing Christians, evangelical pastors included who themselves now wrongfully are too often now just as ungodly human right violators as any of the ungodly, secular persons too. They also should first Judge themselves before they judge the others, Christians too like to judge others but not themselves.

    Often I have noted, experienced on the web even that even the professing Christians themselves now not just the preacher supposedly are abusive, do try to dominate, do disrespect others, and falsely censure others, lie about and slander them as well. It is always still a personal choice that has nothing to do with their persons personal political or religious beliefs, experiences now too.

    Too many wolves in sheep clothing in the churches today We live in an epidemic of adultery fornication divorce and abortion in the church. – the reason we live in such an epidemic in the church is that Christians of every stripe. Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, Pentecostals, and Charismatic, have no foundation of the Holy Spirit in their life. Most believers that I have met have never once read the bible cover to cover. They have come to believe that if they mumble a few words about accepting Christ in their heart, that it is now all good, that they have passed from death unto life, and so they do not have to worry anymore about such mundane things as their having to obey the Words and Commandments of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Nothing could be father from the truth, disobedience and rebellion no matter where when or what you may have mumbled at some point of your life – brings forth eternal death in your soul. (Mat 7:13 KJV) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15

    Luke 16:19-25 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he (The rich man) lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    What was the rich man’s sin? Jesus said he was evil so that was why he was in Hell? or Did Christ say he was unjust? or what did Jesus really say was his sin? Jesus said he was wealthy and ate sumptuously every day. – That was his sin, that was his defilement, and that cost him his soul.

    Look back now at Luke chapter 6: “But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. 25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.”

    What did Lazarus do to earn a spot in Abraham’s bosom? Did Christ say he was righteous? Did Christ say he prayed morning noon and night? No Jesus said he was a beggar that laid at the gates of the rich man desiring the crumbs that fell from his table and the dogs licked the man’s sores. Look again at Luke chapter 6: Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 21Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

    Revelation 3:14-16 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    Most Christians still do not know God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, and the Bible too.. less than 5 percent of Christians read their Bible 5 minutes a day, so they talk about things they really do not know, have not experienced, and the Holy Ghost especially.. undeniably too but they love to judge the others. Too Many Christians are doing their own thing, trying to live a life without Jesus, without even taking to him now often too.. Jesus himself hath said without me you can do nothing.. nothing!!! we all should stop hero worshipping mere men and start rather to worshipping God alone.

    My real often reality is that even most so called Christians today when the see a miracle, they try to deny it, explain it away.. but they did that also in Jesus time now too.. so what else is new?

    If you read the Book of acts then you did notice that the emphasis on the Holy Spirit, and distributing money, food to the local poor people was part of the reason the churches next were so popular and growing. While in contrast today many Churches. pastors, members, adherents, are selfish cheapskates. True pastors, elders, ministers would firstly daily read their Bible for one hour and pray daily for others. And what people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal experiences.. and they will naturally next care for the poor people, act like real anointed Christians.

    I admit there are much too many crooked pastors around these days for my liking, and in my own witness, experiences the last 4 decades too.. but there seems much too many critics on the net.. who clearly are violating God’s instruction to try to talk to a brother humbly, personally about their sins, sins.. before shouting it from the housetops.. wrongfully mostly this is not been ing even done as we can all see on the net daily too.

    I am a pastor, I have been to latter day Pentecostal churches, I have encountered good and bad pastors in many denominations including Alliance, Baptist, Pentecostal ones.. but firstly I tend to rightfully speak to a pastor face to face, get to know firsthand what he is like before I am wise enough to publically condemn, judge him

    But if you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, and clearly admit you do not speak in tongues, and that you do not have the gift of healing, how can you really judge the others by comparisons, even by the discerning gift of the Holy Spirit..

    Mind you Jesus said by their fruits you tell what they are like.. which include their love, joy, peace, gentleness, meekness, patience’s, faith.. since gifts operating in faith, the amount you have or the lack thereof..

    (Rom 8:7 KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
    (1 Cor 3:1 KJV) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
    (1 Cor 3:3 KJV) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
    (1 Cor 3:4 KJV) For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

    A true Christian believers set of beliefs, doctrines is based on what the Holy Spirit himself who also is God himself now teaches you and me and his teachings they will not contradict the Bible.. and it is not rather based solely on what an angel or other men may teach us too. But of course if any others because they really still do not know God and/or because they are doing “your own thing”, following their own will, and/or have not died to Jesus Christ, they thus are not open to the Holy Spirit himself to talk with them thus they really should find out why too! otherwise they will mostly allow the false men, false angels to deceive themselves instead.. So how are they dealing with Jesus Christ firstly.. is he personally rightfully their Lord, Savior, or are they just playing a religious game? so I like to note that the type of response to my posts is also still reflective of the true spiritual nature of all of the posters as well and I can easily see those who have found the truth, and those who are still seeking for it or have wrongfully denied it..

    Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Dispensationalists too, and many others they also are not Christians- certainly thus not anointed by the Holy Sprit, and not by along shot.. for they had missed out as to who Jesus Christ the Messiah was, and not just who who the Holy Spirit is.. so how can they even be anointed ones.. Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Dispensationalists are a religion yes, but the true religion? certainly not.

    Human reason logic, is corrupt and limited.. learning how to now hear God talking to you firstly is what everyone should learn.. I have absolutely no doubt the devil talks to me, but so do God, the Holy sprit and Jesus separately as well too.. for decades now too.

    (Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    Actually the degree of negative personal consequences also are determined as to how quickly you on your own had repented of your major sins, or did Gold almost have to force you into confession of your sins as he did to King David And many People would know that already too had they actually read the Bible as they lying often claim they do too.
    The world is seeking scientists. The Church is seeking scholars. But God is seeking his true prophets.

    Where is the power of God that we see in the Prophets, in Christ and in the Apostles? And what are we doing that is now different in the Church from that I read of in the book of Acts in the Bible?

    Follow the Anointing Luke 4:14 “And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.” Over the years many have questioned the lack of power in their Baptism of the Holy Spirit as opposed to what they read in Scripture and the New Testament and here we have the answer that has been in plain sight for all to see all along and in quite concrete terms –

    Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

    Now I have often already covered topics like this of true and false Christians, churches many times too on my own sites in detail.

    So the other real question as to whether apostles, prophets, pastor teachers exists today as in the Time of Jesus Christ first needs to be superseded by the question as to whether all true Christians are now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, Anointed, Greek word , Christos meaning one who shows evidence of the holy Spirit.. and the answer is yes… all true Christians are evidentiary now also anointed by the Holy Spirit, and if the other people cannot see this you certainly are not a true Christian.

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  9. You know, if we all did what Jesus told us to do: Love God and our neighbor as ourself, we wouldn’t need the laws and commandments. We wouldn’t do anything to others that we wouldn’t do to ourselves.

    Comment by Angela Sutmiller — September 6, 2008 @ 6:50 am

  10. if we all were good there would be no need for jails as well..

    all this occurs cause the devil had rebelled against God firstly

    Comment by thenonconformer — September 6, 2008 @ 7:11 am

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