For a very very long time this remains as a popular post for sadly the infighting amongst various Christian churches seems to continue as each one tries to prove it is the greatests in the kingdom of heaven? http://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/the-need-of-one-distancing-their-good-works-from-their-evil-ones/
Then a man of God came to Eli and said to him, “Thus says the LORD: ‘Did I not clearly reveal Myself to the house of your father when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh’s house? ‘Did I not choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be My priest, to offer upon My altar, to burn incense, and to wear an ephod before Me? And did I not give to the house of your father all the offerings of the children of Israel made by fire? ‘Why do you kick at My sacrifice and My offering which I have commanded in My dwelling place, and honor your sons more than Me, to make yourselves fat with the best of all the offerings of Israel My people?’ “Therefore the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I said indeed that your house and the house of your father would walk before Me forever.’ But now the LORD says: ‘Far be it from Me; for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me shall be lightly esteemed. 1 Samuel 2:27-30
“It seems to me part of the problem is that the Assembly of God denomination allows ministers to preside over board meetings instead of church members, as in other more democratically operated Protestant churches.
We all like the pleasant things of God and life, and shy away from unpleasant and controversial things, such as the present day sins of the pastors and evangelists in this great land. We say things such as ‘touch not God’s anointed’ and some of us worship them as kings. The Prophet Isaiah reminded us:
“Be a shelter to them from the face of the spoiler. For the extortioner is at an end, devastation ceases, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.” (Isaiah 16:4)
Sometimes, others see and know more about the truth of the Kings of Israel and others in that they were largely spoilers, thieves, liars and oppressors. Not all Kings in Israel in bible times were good and kind; most of them were terribly wicked and despots.
As a denomination, the Assembly of God has not accepted responsibility for the actions of their prominent members in their organization. It has done nothing to bring justice and healing to the real victims in these cases. Instead, they it has chosen to console and comfort the aggressors, the noble ones, and the perpetrators of the crimes. The victims were mostly elderly people, who didn’t have the physical strength or financial resources to fight back and recover what they lost. ” http://walthope.tripod.com/
It has always confounded me as to why the liars, crooks, deceivers, abusers SUCH AS TACF AS WELL too often do still do think they can get away with now, next and forever.
The ends seem to justify the means for some. In the secular world it is common to contact your employer to try to put pressure on you when you disagree with a corporation, but in the religious world it is an unacceptable common ploy for bad undeniably pastors with no fear and accountably as well too often to try meddle into your family affairs, to try to seduce, counsel your own wife behind your back and knowledge, trying to divide and conquer as many persons have told me, they had the same bad experiences too, me included.
Wrongful inactions, Cover ups, False denial of bad politicians, bad cops, bad persons, false pastors, false priests are much too common but nevertheless they do get exposed, revealed to all as to what they are often now like too, and get what they deserve, and not the first or last time.
“Unfortunately most religious leaders today seem to be hirelings and not true shepherds! All they care about is their own ministry and self interests and not the best interest of the sheep!
Sow the wrong seed and you can also next reap a whirl wind, and yes church pastors included now, for there is really no such thing as a little bit allowable sins for the Church pastors included, no such thing as being a little bit pregnant here too.. reaping for their lies, misdirection.. and it is also still clearly unacceptable for any Pastors to counsel a man’s wife behind his back, and without his knowledge, approval, permission, but even this sadly now is an unacceptable common occurrence yes in evangelical churches now too, even in the Brethren, Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostals churches now too.. and sadly this is now how the war against the perverse pastors’ of the Toronto airport church and other similar bad churches had next escalated. When any spouse also starts to talk to any others now about their family affairs they now are next definitely headed towards divorce wars as well..
There are yes too many false sheep who worship those crooked leaders, shepherds, pastors dressed in nice suits. Not trying to impress anyone, or showing off I next went to a new church dressed in my clean, regular daily clothes. I next too was surprised when now one said hello to me nor did they great me, and a few services later this continued to happen. So I prayed about it and to my surprise God said they were harlots, prostitutes. Embarrassed at this revelation I decided I would fully proof for myself this was true. So next Sunday I put on a white shirt, tie, nice black pants, and a white sports jacket and most everyone said hello to me. Incidentally the same thing happens to me on the bus as well.. Why? Also the very same pastor of this professing Christian church dressed there in a nice suit who also did not talk to me as well was next charged with abuse, slander, lying, misappropriation of church funds, and was eventually fired. Now these days when I see these peacock members, deacons, ushers strutting around church in their fancy suits trying to impress the others , it causes me to be sick to my stomach still. It would be better if they used the money rather to help the poor and needy in their own church..
POWER, CONTROL BUT ALSO NOW MONEY WAS THE SECOND REASON THIS TACF CHRISTIAN CHURCHES FIGHT ESCALATED.. MONEY, HOW IT WAS BEING COLLECTED AND SPENT BECAME AN ISSUE TOO.. they seem to collect money under false pretences too often http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/secret-tithing/
Why do some of the too often dirty Canadian pastors think they still can get away with it? TACF AS WELL but not for long!
Telling lies, half truths is too too difficult, for you have to remember the lies you had said, and the truth as well, and most people cannot do that , thus they rather do as a result go crazy.. So Me I do not write to please men or women, to be politically correct, and I prefer the to deal with, write the simple truths, I also do readily share the good things I have learned freely
But thenonconformer Says in reply Hey this is a all a big Joke.. even about the false Pentecostal haters, bashers on the net presently.. The ongoing wars- one sided Religious discussions Christianity – Bashers, Bullies, falsehoods, Hatred, liars, libel, Pentecostal Haters, Slander, and Walter Kambulow etc.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/distortions-lies-false-critiques/
I have often said, asked that they should in fairness not discriminate and investigate not just all of the civil, public servants, politicians, in reality but also all of the pastors, evangelists, preachers and annual now fairly in all of the denominations not just a few Pentecostal ones even for alcoholism, drug usage, possible tax evasions, abuse of donated funds, lies, slander.. but it never will happen sadly.. too many politicians who are likely just as bad will likely suppress it all firstly too. Bad Ministers in the church or bad ministers in the goivernment are both uanccepteble and both should be fired too.
Can anyone sue for defamation of character/libel/slander for PERSONAL statements made even on the Internet? But if it’s true there is no CASE for defamation or slander. And if it is NOT true they still will have to show specific, related proof of actual damages, not just some supposed potential damages. Furthermore the law still requires that they do reply to all allegations in the manner they had firstly have received them immediately too, within a reasonable period of time, and if they have not bothered to deny, reply to, to object any of the charges of wrong doings, allegations initially, after a reasonable period of time, a maximum of 6 months they not longer can do so, for now it is accepted they are true. Do ALL stop being sue crazy or nicky picky too.
A Church secretary of a Baptist major denominations in two large Canadian provinces for 3 decades told me firsthand that most of her pastors commit tax evasions, and so does she as well. I myself had witnessed a brethren head church elder reading pornography at an airport, I had witnessed another pastor committing adultery too. I had a witness, backed up with a police report that an evangelical pastor had punched me, physically assaulted me, with no provocation too, and the same thing had happened to my own brother on another occasion and he too had called the police and reported the matter.
Just recently a pastor lied, on his site he had rewrittten what I had said to make the pastors look good and he made it fasely seem as I had written it. Who did he lie to, Himself that he is even a godly pastor.
But none of this should be a surprise because my first initial shock about 3 decades ago was the unacceptable fact that the undeniable majority of evangelical pastors do, had counseled divorce, and I wanted to know why? and I next had solely rightfully concluded they were basically sex maniacs, and that is why they kept also their divorce options open.
I have posted these facts for the last decade too to all of Canada’s 1000 major politicians, and major news editors, on the net too.
I have had a deputy Minister, the second in command of the province of Alberta tell me face to face how crooked the evangelical pastors in Alberta were, a fact known by many of his colleagues too.
None of the politicians, persons, major news media have ever contradicted back to me on any of this, but you are the first pastor, person to do this too in decades, and I wonder why?
Now since you do really know your Bible you know that the Bible already says says that adultery is God’s punishment to those at whom he is upset at.. and I can think of many bad things that pastors do that upset God… this adultery is all so common and where have you been?
I was next shocked as to how many of them are alcoholics now too.
I have helped to remove many, many bad evangelical church pastors, founding pastors too, for their unrepentant immoralities as well in Canada in the last many years too.
When I do deal with a still unrepentant pastor I also do get a clear vision of their additional major sins, and you should see next their pale faces, holy terror, their shakes and trembling, even that of their spouses when I personally do start to reveal what I do know about them, their unrepentant immoral acts, and they the pastor really do they know that they are reaping what they have sowed.. still most of them, 90 percent do not repent, rather they tend to leave town instead. I do also tell them you will have wished you had listened to me and repented , for next it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God as well.. I can never overcome the fact that most of them think that they cannot be rebuked, corrected, and falsely think that God had overlooked their unacceptable sins because time has passed as well and he did not.
I have helped to remove the federal tax exempt charter of a really bad evangelical church now as well and it closed as a result too
I was sitting in a significant church where the pastor was putting on a show.. so I prayed and asked God as to what he had thought of this pastor, and he had replied that he has the same ability to sin that your brother has. My brother has written two books now that are posted on the net about bad pastors and their sins.
and you would be shocked as to how many Pastors do not pray one hour a day or read their Bible one hour a day.. for they all of persons should be the first ones to do this too.
The Bible, New Testament, Jesus the apostles gives us clear warnings as to the characteristics of the type of persons who even go out of their way to betray Jesus Christ, including even Judas one of the 12 apostles, the religious Jews, legalists and Hypocrites, the Scribes and Pharisees such as Saul , as well as materialistic oriented persons, and sadly even the professing Christians like Apostle Peter. The betrayal of Jesus was wrongfully also next inflicted upon His Followers including more lies, slander, human rights violations, and it will go on today, unless someone opposes it, rightfully stands up against it.
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Why is still so few Evangelical Pastors in Canada even can be truly honest, tell me the Biblical truth now in regard to? with out falsely even firstly bashing my own spirituality or slandering me? even like Is there really such as thing as master of household now too?
At least half of my past Ministry has been marriage counseling, and it has often been my being forced to listen, to listen to the complaints about the wife or the husband.. and I often point our or ask does your spouse treat you the way you treat God also? One Complaint I often also hear is that the wife does not obey her Husband and the wife’s response is supposedly justified on the basis “cause he apparently does not love me or he would not give me orders.”Let me say that the Bible says that the wife is to obey her husband in all things and the husband is to love his wife, even if she does not obey him still. “The fact that the divorce rate is of epidemic proportions is an indication of Satan’s activity. As Satan worshipers gather for “prayer” meetings, one of the highest priorities on their prayer lists is for the break-up of marriages. Some of them even make it their “ministry” to go about breaking up marriages or “helping” people to become divorced. In this way he effectively keeps slapping God in the face with his own rebellion. These false worshipers “rejoice” when yet another marriage has ended up in divorce.
When Israel rebelled against God by turning to idols, God repeat- edly referred to it as “adultery.” (Jer 3:8) This is because God views His relationship with His own as a marriage. Full of intimacy. Charac- terizing commitment, loyalty, trust. Furthermore, the act of turning away from God is TREASONOUS! “Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband, So have you dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel,” says the Lord. (Jer 3:20) When a spouse secretly schemes and runs off with a lover he/she has committed treason of the worst kind. Not only have they betrayed trust, but they mock God and His mandate. The “pattern and shadow” of things in heaven. The parallel to the heavenly relationship of the God- head. The representation of Christ’s intimate relationship with His “friends”…the Church. His Bride! “
BELIEVERS TOO ARE OFTEN GUILTY OF TREASON AGAINST GOD! AND OF OTHER MAJOR SINS
All of us can take isolated Bible verses and almost justify, make any kind of conclusions that we want, and is that not so? or some falsely do divert the requested topic by making even false personal attacks and thus falsely hope to try avoid to discuss, to answer the posted questions. But still I we all, each one of us are according to the Bible to confirm everything with the Word of God, and not any mere men’s personal views? on an even fair, directly related scriptural context. let’s be fair in our Bible studies. The Bible says Christ is the head of the Church. The Husband is the head of the home. The wife is the head of what?? nothing? (1 Pet 3:1 KJV) ” Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; ” instead what is happening too often these days is this is no longer accepted as general valid today and why as well now? Before too many persons do falsely try to explain the Bible away the really should still first live it..
For another fact: To me it is really still funny that the secular British and US governmental laws recognize that the Husband is the head of the home, a man’s home is his castle, and that is legally wrong for others to personally meddle in a even Christian husband’s marriage, and they do recognize by law even that such transgressors can be sued in a court of law, but many Christians, even Pastors sadly don’t respect or follow this law clearly. And why is it now too often the case as even I know firsthand now? There are as I have seen, personally detailed before Christian internet sites too that to do ask the wife to list the husband’s sins, faults, without even the husband’s knowledge, behind his back. Can any Pastor, elder counsel falsely still a man’s wife without his knowledge, presence legally or morally?
I had found it hard to believe that some Christians at least would try to distort the truths, even such for example that “a wife was to obey her husband in all things”, without them seriously still next posting rather any full detailed valid scriptural substantiations, even in response.
As false rulers of my household Pastors even falsely said to me that a husband has to obey his wife, others used the out of context verse “submit on to another”.. to justify this well and furthermore does than also mean my wife has to submit now always to your wife in regard to our home, our marriage? now really!!! get real!!! and where does it end. And is this at all practical now too? Submit in love means rather to consider what is being said, taught by others? but still who does make the final family decisions and who is finally responsible for it according to the Bible and not to the false humanistic logic, wishful thinkings? The husband .
Yes we are to love another but not to meddle in other persons marriages, be partial or even false men or falsely become the false women libbers pleasers too
It is still all better if we really look at the Bible passages on rebellion to authority and how many tried to justify it in the BIBLE, Saul, and, Arron, Moses’s sister Miriam as well, and what happened to even Miriam too..
12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
( meddling in one’s married life falsely and clearly ehh)
2 And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it. 3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) 4 And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. 5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth. 6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? 9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed. 10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous. 11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned. 12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother’s womb. 13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee. Numbers 12 Is there in Bible even now a stated clear valid reasons where a wife should not obey her husband on a temporary, permanent, general basis according to the Bible?
And who decides if the wife’s disobedience then is also valid, the wife only too?
Did not Esther the great grandmother of Jesus try to obey her husband in all things too?
Is there a denial by any prophet, or Jesus, not the apostles? that this King’s negative commandment of the Queen Vashiti’s banishment, divorce reason was wrong??? For a more detailed example was Queen Vashti right to try to rebel against her husband’s wishes? Note the passage
Esther 1:10 On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine, he commanded Mehuman, Biztha, Harbona, Bigtha, and Abagtha, Zethar, and Carcas, the seven chamberlains that served in the presence of Ahasuerus the king, 11 To bring Vashti the queen before the king with the crown royal, to show the people and the princes her beauty: for she was fair to look on. 12 But the queen Vashti refused to come at the king’s commandment by his chamberlains: therefore was the king very wroth, and his anger burned in him. 13 Then the king said to the wise men, which knew the times, (for so was the king’s manner toward all that knew law and judgment: 14 And the next unto him was Carshena, Shethar, Admatha, Tarshish, Meres, Marsena, and Memucan, the seven princes of Persia and Media, which saw the king’s face, and which sat the first in the kingdom;) 15 What shall we do unto the queen Vashti according to law, because she hath not performed the commandment of the king Ahasuerus by the chamberlains?
15 What shall we do unto the queen Vashti according to law, because she hath not performed the commandment of the king Ahasuerus by the chamberlains? 16 And Memucan answered before the king and the princes, Vashti the queen hath not done wrong to the king only, but also to all the princes, and to all the people that are in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus. 17 For this deed of the queen shall come abroad unto all women, so that they shall despise their husbands in their eyes, when it shall be reported, The king Ahasuerus commanded Vashti the queen to be brought in before him, but she came not. 18 Likewise shall the ladies of Persia and Media say this day unto all the king’s princes, which have heard of the deed of the queen. Thus shall there arise too much contempt and wrath. 19 If it please the king, let there go a royal commandment from him, and let it be written among the laws of the Persians and the Medes, that it be not altered, That Vashti come no more before king Ahasuerus; and let the king give her royal estate unto another that is better than she.
is this a valid Biblical Instruction now still to even all of us too? Christians too?
was not the rebellious act of Miriam opposed by God himself too?
What no believers are smart enough to deal with this topic you rather want the secular courts to deal with it still? that too is contrary to the Bible ehh
I corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Please do tell me if such discussions or such daily practical topics really now being discouraged falsely still?
(Jer 13:23 KJV) Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
(Prov 16:25 KJV) There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
and you can gladly reply to any of it providing you also quote the verses in full that you refer to..
It is still up to the courts or the Human Rights commissions firstly to confirm, to define what is actually libelous, slanderous, a hate email message.. and someone’s else’s statement and opinions on the subject does not count. But to be on the safe side if you want to avoid court costs, ligation, if you are unsure if what you write is libel, slanderous, prosecutable better not post it on the net. Wrongfully accusing someone of posting a hate message or being a racists clearly can be challenged in courts as a hate message itself and prosecutable.
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For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last 40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/real-actions-speak-louder-than-mere-words/ http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/slow-to-learn/ http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/too-often-false-bash-of-pentacostals-healers/