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June 13, 2008

What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism?

What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism?

Incidentally I got this email this week saying..

> – I will be relocating to the USA (San Diego, CA) in the next 1-2
> months to pursue further studies, and will be here for at least 4
> years…
> – What is the state of the Pentecostal church in the USA, are there
> many churches? I learnt not too long ago (to my huge surprise) that
> the Pentecostal movement, which is so widespread and growing in the
> rest of the world (including Australia) is a minority in the USA.
> What is the general Christian sentiment towards Pentecostalism?
> – Do you know much about the Christian climate in the USA today? What
> is it like? As a foreign Christian coming to the US, is there
> anything you think I should know, or educate myself about?

In my reply I had said… Firstly Pentecostals are often undeniably and wrongfully hated in Canada AND IN THE US by the fundamental evangelicals, Baptists, Brethren, others. and many Pnetacostals, including even the CMA- Christian & Missionary Alliance,  – Alliance, PAOC, AOG are all no saints still too.. and you can see great examples of how they all do poorly behave towards others on the net often too

There is no denial as to how cold, ruthless, uncompassionate, uncaring, immoral, ruthless, slanderous, gossiping, abusive the majority of evangelical pastors  too Canada wide where in my many personal encounters, experiences  that I had  in the last 4 decades too but I did rightfully did not throw out the baby with the dirty wash water. Rather I rightfully tended to ask the bad pastors and their bad supporters now too to change to repent instead..

THE STATE OF THE CHURCH IN THE US IS A PRETENTIOUS ONE, A SOCIAL CLUB, MONEY HUNGRY PEOPLE AND ALSO SEX ORIENTED, AND THEY ALL SEEM TO DESPISE THE POOR PEOPLE TOO.. The high divorce rate even amongts the evangelicals substantiates this too.

AND it seems they all need to be told what the Bible actually says firstly, for only 5 percent of Christians read their Bible, and only 25 percent of people are saved in the Christian churches… pastors included now.. few of them pray except for their own selfish needs..

Most evangelical pastors are still hirelings, only care about getting more money it still seems too..

Beware when men say good things about you, for RATHER IN TRUTH they had prosecuted the many good prophets before you.

Two sides of the same story. My local Baptist Church pastor had told me what a reliable, honorable man my father in law was, I guess he was buttering me up for a donation.. bit just shortly after that I went to a funeral of my father in law’s relative. There the close relatives told me first hand a whole different story. My father in law was a womanizer, a boozer, had been even separated from his wife as well, and had been kick out of a Brethren church cause they considered him and his acts as being non Christian. Next really I could not see anything Christian about him now as well..  Telling lies is a sin even for a pastor now too.
   
(Mat 10:17 KJV) But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

(Col 2:8 KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

(Mat 5:11 KJV) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

(Mat 5:12 KJV) Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

(Mat 5:22 KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

(Acts 17:11 KJV) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

I have had over a decade of pentacostal experiences and I had more decades of Baptist, Brethren experiences too.

One sole initially reason I had left the Baptist, Brethren church is their false hatred, false bashing of the Pentecostals.. and I was not even a Pentecostal at that time but I could see how unkind, unloving most of the fundamental Christians, Baptists who did this bashing, bullying as to what they really were like.. clearly their own fruits, actions showed to all what they were firstly like. The other reason I left them was also because of their clear ignorance of the Bible itself, it was almost deliberate too. They too often actually had refused to mention, or to quote, discuss the Bible never mind honestly too in my decades of experiences with them, and with many, many of their pastors now too..

Now I have often shared my view that fundamental pastors does not recognize the authority existence of Apostles, Prophets especially while pastors , plural term too, are only mentioned once in the new testament now in contrast to the others- elders, apostle’s prophets’ mentioning, existence.. it seems it was because they the pastors refused to mutually submit to others, for pride and rebellion are classical common and historical sins even of many church leaders now too.

>>But why would a prophet set up a website that resembles nothing more than than the “Christian” version of a gossip magazines.

Firstly my how personal and judgmental that above remarks to me appears.. especially in the light when we know for sure that most pastors are immoral, meaning really non perfect and yet all of a sudden the New testament prophet is to be a perfect man.. when for a record one of the greatest old testament prophets Moses, was also now imperfect, quite wrong, punished, for his sin of disobeying God, not allowed to go to the promise land too. Let us be consistent then to both groups.. all of the pastors, prophets too.. Ironically the way they the professing Christians try to bash Pentecostals on many Christians sites reminds me more of ungodly, secular person’s behavior rightfully now too.

Let’s be fair all the old testament prophets were often condemned, not accepted as well.. so now even why would it be different today? EVEN HERE?

“The ignorance of the Bible and the works of the Holy Spirit have placed many people, churches, radio and television ministries, and itinerant ministries in jeopardy for their very existence because they are so desperate for success, numbers and money that they are ready to chase after any experience or anybody whom they think will attract people to them. There are many people today who do not know their Scriptures and the penalties that come from straying away from them. They are like the Sadducees of whom Jesus said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God” (Matt. 22: 29; Mk. 12: 24).”  http://cnt10c.tripod.com/revival.pdf

Their ignorance of the Bible is alone not the issue, most Christians, church leaders  also wrongfully personally do pick and choose what parts of the Bible they will practice, and which one they will not. All professing Christians daily need to practice what they know, even the ten commandments.

I went to a Church for the first time in the Calgary NW Suburb AND I KNEW AFTER ONE SERVICE THE EVANGELICAL PASTOR WAS A CROOK, A LIAR.. My friends insisted I return to the church, but in the process they had told me that the pastor was lying about me, slandering me to others, even to them as well.. This has often happened to me by pastors of other churches, in Calgary, Montréal too, seems the much too many bad pastors like to slander and Gossip. At the next church service I had shared openly with the congregation at the end of the service that their pastor had been accused of lying, slandering me, and even stealing, , misappropriation of funds , lying also by others. The majority of Congregation members disagreed. Ten years later there was a knock on the door of my home and one of the church members told me face to face the same Calgary NW pastor was fired for lying, stealing funds. I always had wondered why it took them so long to see the truth about him?

Why?? most people are bad sheep who follow the leaders, or Ostriches when it comes to negative truths..

Most people also  are not aware that the Canadian Pentecostal assemblies of Canada churches PAOC are a break away from the Christian Missionary Alliance church firstly and they have a very similar church management structure, a corporation with a corporate president even that does not disclose all the expenditures to the all of the donators now too. .. not your expected  congregationally managed, owned local church ..

Yes the same Christian Missionary alliance church, rather Corporation.. the bad so called church that our Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper goes too. The Christian and Missionary Alliance (COMA) is an Evangelical Protestant denomination within Christianity. Founded by Rev. Albert Benjamin Simpson in 1887, the Christian & Missionary Alliance did not start off as a denomination, but rather began as two distinct Para church organizations: The Christian Alliance which focused on the pursuit and promotion of the Higher Christian life and The Evangelical Missionary Alliance, which focused on mobilizing “consecrated” Christians in the work of foreign missionary efforts. These two groups amalgamated in 1897 to form The Christian and Missionary Alliance. It was only much later during the mid twentieth century that an official denomination was formed. See my posts on the CMA.. It is owned and controlled by a Corporation. The Pentecostal Assembly of Canada, PAOC broke away from this corporation and formed it’s own corporation, so called church..

It was very interesting fact that the clearly bad pastors of TACF Toronto Airport Church fellowship had resorted to a commercial lawsuit over rather resorting to pray in dealing with one of their critics,
 
Where in the world did so many of evangelical pastors wrongfully get the idea they personally now  are beyond any rightful criticism? rebuke, corrections? Certainly not from God.

It is very ironic that I have often said that if you really want to know how spiritual someone is, do first see how they do in regard their emphasis on the  importance of money, for their related greed for it will show their true spiritual values, or rather the lack of it. It is thus  interesting that the CMA disputes causing News headlines was over money. Many persons already are too often rightfully complaining that too many evangelical pastors even are too often still  greedy for filthy lucre, and they really do not care about the spiritual welfare, physical needs of others.
 
It is absurd for anyone to now even to try to hoodwink me as to how supposedly spiritually the Christian Missionary Alliance Church is as well, rather in truth the CMA Corporation now is supposedly. It would not work for I already do know the much too many negative truths about the CMA  firsthand and for many decades now too. No amount of whitewash can cover up their real dirty plays still too as I have seen firsthand.

Christians doing still dirty works and hiding behind titles, corporate names still is also unacceptable… does not impress me at all.    My door bell rang and a person was there asking for donations to World Vision Canada, asking me if I had heard of it? Have I personally heard of it?  a vice president of this corporation that I had personally known, been to his home too had already lied about me, slandered me, spread other people’s lies about me.. He was an ex Christian & Missionary Alliance Missionary NOW AS WELL. Like I said many times before God still  expects all professing Christians to live a godly  life, not just pretend they do… God does not overlook human right abuses even by so called Christians now too.. for God is not impressed by what Church they go to, where they work, and what fancy title they may have now as well.

THE MAN KING OF THE HOUSE, THE WOMAN HIS DUTIFUL SUBJECT. The man is the king of the  household, and the wife is only the prime minister. There is no confusion or overlapping of authority. The will of the husband is law. He has the  only   place of honor . The arrangements of the house, the company entertained, and the service employed, all have respect to his wishes and to his convenience. The wife conducts the affairs of state for the king. She has her household and, more than  her personal allowance, and she renders a strict account of stewardship.   The wife’s personal expenditures are less, much less than the husband’s. The will of the husband is the  undisputed law; as to the wife her person, her property, her children under his sole control even to the present time are the rights secured to the husband under present English law. Like it or not but these laws were based on the Bible, which states   (Eph 5:23 KJV) ” For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”  

and most Evangelical pastors DO need to recognize, preach  AND PRACTICE this still too.
  
When I go public I often get threats of a lawsuit, not just the politicians sending the police to my door, but I do not back off, and I always seem to tell them to go ahead.. the lawsuit will give the matter more publicity too.. and they back off.
   

Can anyone sue for defamation of character/libel/slander for PERSONAL statements made even on the Internet? But if it’s true there is no CASE for defamation or slander. And if it is NOT true they still will have to show specific, related proof of actual damages, not just some supposed potential damages. Furthermore the law still requires that they do reply to all allegations in the manner they had firstly have received them immediately too, within a reasonable period of time, and if they have not bothered to deny, reply to, to object any of the charges of wrong doings, allegations initially, after a reasonable period of time, a maximum of 6 months they not longer can do so, for now it is accepted they are true. Do ALL stop being sue crazy or nicky picky too.

Many many pastors do wrongfully still  think that the citizens complaints about them  is all a big joke, they laugh at it, mock them too. Don’t believe me, just  do an internet search “Walter Kambulow” and see their poor  responses to his writings. Pastors falsely think they are above the law and yet many of them have, do  threaten to sue you when you get too close and personal about them. They want it both ways, they cannot though. They the evangelical pastors firstly do need to get real, to act like real Christians firstly now and work for God rather then self. They seem to have nice cars, nice homes, great salaries, expensive perks, vacations too too many of them.. Pastors Jim Baker,  Jimmy Swaggart was not the first or last pervert, crook.
 
The bad pastors are trying to get falsely their rewards on earth it seems  and not in heaven.. Do what I say and not what I do is what they also preach.

 

 

 

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https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/why-is-toronto-airport-christian-fellowship-angry-still/

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