And why should I still be so surprised that so many Chuuch Ministers too now are objectionably alcoholics and adulterers as well? tend to so easily go downhill too.. and when did that start.. with that small sin that was unrepented off..
as I have said many times before, even since the Garden of Eden, the devil still lies about the truth and he still says to you that you will not die if you disobey God’s law.. and he does that about lusts, stealing, alcohol, adultery, divorce or whatever.. to keep the people in bondage in their wrongful sins.. but Adam and Eve still paid a price for their sins next, so do we all..
(John 4:37 KJV) And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. (Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
(Mark 2:17 KJV) When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
(Mark 4:17 KJV) And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended.
(Luke 8:13 KJV) They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
(Heb 9:14 KJV) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(John 9:41 KJV) Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
(John 15:22 KJV) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
(1 Cor 11:16 KJV) But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
(Eph 5:11 KJV) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
(2 Th 3:14 KJV) And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
(1 John 1:8 KJV) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(3 John 1:4 KJV) I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
(Rev 14:11 KJV) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(1 Tim 1:8 KJV) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
(Heb 13:4 KJV) Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
(Rev 21:8 KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Rev 22:15 KJV) For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Note one’s mere Personal opinions, speculations, and personal bashes in response are always unacceptable.. I have given sufficient facts, sufficient Bible verses to substantiate my views.. so I expect in fairness similar full, courteous responses rightfully..
Merely supporting Alcohol cause you come from an alcoholic religious group , or family is not an adequate response, approach, and is not being truthful about it all as well..
The fact remains that the Bible does prohibit the consumption of alcohol by kings, political leaders, priests and the Bible does more than just warn us all against drunkenness. It says all drunkards go to hell, whether they are professing Christians or not. (1 Cor 6:9 KJV) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: ( note the past tense where, meaning you have stopped being a drunkard if you are a true Christian)
While alcohol is nothing but bad news and we would be far better off without it it is unrealistic to enforce it, as it would be to try to enforce adultery
Someone really cannot be a “true” Christian if they continue to sin, to drink alcohol, to commit adultery, polygamy, or whatever.. The Holy Spirit does not abide in such persons, for undeniably, clearly they are unsaved and are going to hell, whether you like it or not too. They are rather under the control of an evil sprit, alcohol.. that is why they cannot give it up easily.. If you need the specific Bible verses I can fully detail them to you again..
Those who say that the demon is always in the person, not the wine, would likely lie and say the same thing is applicable to smoking, drugs, pornography, whatever.. but we know that Alcohol, smoking and also bad drugs themselves are medically harmful and alcohol causes brain damage, is addictive as well.
(Heb 10:26 KJV) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Moses did not make it into the promised land because of just one sin of disobedience, so what about all of the people who continue to willfully sin..
(Mat 5:13 KJV) Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
(Heb 10:29 KJV) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(Heb 10:30 KJV) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
(Heb 10:31 KJV) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
I personally have seen the face of many a pastor, who had mocked God and me, and refused to repent when I had asked them, but they were not laughing, happy anymore when I witnessed them receiving God’s judgment for their past poor, sinful acts here on earth to start of with, there was a pale, unbelievable fright on their faces and that of their spouse as well knowing now fully they were personally reaping what they had sowed now too.. remind you of King Saul now too?
Just cause 70 percent of pastors admitted to having done adultery or counselling divorce, or 30 percent evangelicals commit divorce does still not mean any of them are getting away with any of it next too
Funny how some immoral persons, even if they call themselves Christians , have to resort to personal attacks on the writer, me, , when they cannot dispute the biblical truths, facts presented.. it is their own false alternative to avoid facing the truth about themselves firstly, the really big beam in their own eye.. and they are foolish enough to think I have to put up with it too.. if you lie to me, abuse me, I rightfully no longer talk to you for a start.. as simple as that… no matter who you think you are now, my mother, father, brother, sister, wife, my children , pastor, elder, etc..
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/how-to-keep-oneself-away-from-sexual-transgressions/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/todd-bentley-someone-has-to-say-it-to-you/
Missing the point? 
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