Missing the point?

December 23, 2013

Disspensationalists are false Christians.

HOLY SPIRIT (51)
“Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”1 Timothy 4:1
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Now about the Evangelicals, Plymouth Brethren Baptists so called rather still ignorant so called Christians I find it so absurd that these people still tend to not know what the Bible teaches, they believe their churches false teachings on healing, Zionism, Dispensationalism, tithing etc.
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The false Brethren wresting of Holy Scriptures to support a line of dispensational reaching contrary to the actual written word of God is unacceptable.
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The Brethren oft repeated assertion that the present voice of the Holy Spirit is located in the utterance of men is an affront to the Holy Spirit. https://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus-2/
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“But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their teachings commandments of men. For, leaving the commandment of God, ye hold what is delivered by men to keep”, Mark 7: 7-8.
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Dispensationalist – just another Holy Spirit hater who bashes, bullies others who do not agree with them too
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Dispensationalists unacceptably have a very negative view of the latter days, end times on this world, now it seems to compensate for their often rejections by even main stream Christianity
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NOW WE VALID CHRISTIANS DO BASE THE VALID DOCTRINES ON THE NEW TESTAMENT SUBSTANTIATION BY JESUS OR THE APOSTLES, NOT JUST ON THE OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES.. now there is no Biblical substantiation for Dispensationalists, Secret Rapture, Eternal security, Zionism, Messianic Jews. Yeshua too. Jesus coming back to reestablish Israel as a Nation gives false hope to the Jews.. It is the anti Christ Yeshua who is coming for them,

Now what the Bible actually tells you:

  • The Antichrist must come before the Rapture
  • The Tribulation must come before the Rapture
  • The Sun and Moon Must be Darkened before the Rapture
  • The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture
  • Jesus Must Return before the Rapture
  • The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)
  • There is only one resurrection for those who are God’s people
  • God promised that Christians would suffer
  • There IS a Place of Safety on this Earth

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. – Matthew 24:29-31

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Revelation 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.”

Matthew 24:30-31 “…then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Christ declared that when He returns the second time, it is not a secret rapture, it would be with a sign; all people on the earth would see Him coming in the clouds of heaven and with power and great glory; the great majority of all the people of the earth would not be happy, but would mourn; there would be a great sound of a trumpet; and God would gather His obedient elect to Himself from every part of the world.

Did Jesus ask his Father to take us out of the world? Christ Himself prayed that His Father would not take His people “out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.” John 17:15.

Critics of The Plymouth Brethren firstly object to their false teaching that you have to use their approved commentaries to study the Bible,with a very heavy, false emphasis on the original Greek and not the Holy Spirit as they are Cessationists falsely.

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Most dispensationalists still do take isolated verse and twist them to suit what they want others to believe still especially the false Dispensationalists http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/most-people-do-take-isolated-verse-and-twist-them/

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(Isa 30:1 KJV) Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

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Of the Scofield Reference Bible, John Wick Bowman says, “This book represents the most dangerous heresy currently to be found within Christian circles” (Ibid., p.588).
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John H. Gerstner, in his 1991 book, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism, states emphatically and without mincing words:
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What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation….If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say that it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation (p.150).
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Ernest Reisinger states in his article, “A History of Dispensationalism in America”: All honest Dispensationalists would agree that the Dispensational system of theology has a different view of the grace of God, the law of God, the church of God, the interpretation of the Word of God and the salvation of God. That is, its teachings are different from tested, respected historic creeds and confessions …. Dispensationalism has a different view of living the Christian life of sanctification and, more specifically, how justification and sanctification are inseparably joined together in the application of God’s salvation (p.3)
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See also “The John Darby Versionn: Dispensationally Manipulated.” http://libertytothecaptives.net/darby_version_corrupt_methodically.html

 

 

Like John Darby, Scofield the adulterer, convicted fellon, had removed damned, damnation and hell from the Bible: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_removed_damned.

 

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It is ludicrous,. really absurd that some people will still falsely claim they are Experts on the Holy Spirit, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, praying, speaking in toungues too, a personal experience they still have never even had..
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Critics of The Plymouth Brethren have accused it of using cult techniques by controlling all aspects of its members’ lives The group’s influence over its members is such that many who have left the group have had trouble adjusting to life outside. To help with this problem, several websites have been set up to assist people that have left the church to adjust back into mainstream society

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They tend not to reveal openly, initially who they really are but camouflage it by saying they are Christians but this is not the true since most Christians do not agree with their too many false doctrines.

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They do contrary to the Bible falsely recommend one spouse to divorce the other one if they do not agree with their doctrines. Separation from Evil – God’s Principle of Unity. “ Hence the church is to put out from itself the wicked person, and thus maintains its separation from evil. But, alas! we know worldliness creeps in, and spiritual power declines; the taste for this blessing is enfeebled, because it is not enjoyed in the power of the Spirit; the spiritual fellowship with Christ the heavenly Head decays, and the power which banishes evil out of the church is no longer in living exercise… the evil must be separated from.“ Rev John Darby

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Members who leave or who are expelled from the group have often been treated with what outsiders may regard as undeniably great cruelty.

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DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY:

HOW DANGEROUS IS IT?

A HERETICAL TEACHING?.

ANOTHER GOSPEL?

DISCERNING TRUTH FROM DISPENSATIONAL ERROR.?

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“It is a fact that no Christian churches, congregations or fellowships existing prior to 1830 proclaimed a RAPTURE doctrine, and all accepted the Biblical truth that Christians would be on earth during the time of great tribulation. Before 1830, the single RAPTURE Scripture of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 were accepted as resurrection verses.

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The coming of the Lord and the Rapture will not occur until the Antichrist is revealed

Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together with Him, that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed wither by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one in any way deceived you, for it will not come unless the apostasy come first and the man of lawless ness is revealed… II Thessalonians 2:1-3

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The Rapture will occur at the Last Trumpet

Behold I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. II Corinthians 15:51-52

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The Mystery of God will be finished at the Seventh Trumpet, not before the Tribulation

“…In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound then the Mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.” Revelation 10:6-7

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The Mystery of God is Christ in the Church

The mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to the saints, to who God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of Glory. Colossians 1:26-27

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Because every eye will see Him and the Rapture as well, the Church as a mystery to the world will be finished

When Christ who is our life is revealed, then you will also be revealed with Him in glory. Colossians 3:4

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Jesus will be revealed from heaven and give relief the the afflicted Church

…And give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His might angels in flaming fire. II Thessalonians 1:7

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Christ warns us about believing in a secret coming

For if they say to you, “Behold He is in the wilderness,” do not go out, or “Behold He is in the inner rooms,” do not believe them. Matthew 24:26

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He describes His return being as visible as lightning flashing across the entire sky

For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:27“

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“If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto you, saying, ‘let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them’; you shall not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord proves [tests] you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.” Deuteronomy 13:1–3

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The truth is, we will be protected from the evils of the Antichrist system (and the judgments of the Great Tribulation) by a mantle of safety from God that will protect us on earth. There is only one Second Advent of Christ and that is the moment (for all of us then living) we will be changed into immortality and the resurrection of the dead takes place. That is when all of us will meet Christ in the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18). We can believe this teaching with full assurance and faith. Remember, God cares for you and all the Body of Christ.” http://www.askelm.com/essentials/ess025.htm

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Their “END-TIME” CONFUSION ABOUNDS. But the Scripture tells us “God is not the author of confusion” (I Cor. 14:33). Yet when it comes to proper end-time direction, Dispensationalist churches almost universally exude mainly the spirit of confusion and contradictions.

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I have now personally learned decades and decades ago that most of the Brethren, Baptists are liars also deceitful, nasty, abusive and really unacceptably bad.. they falsely are control freaks, who falsely love to practice divorce, practice slanders, hate even the silent treatment to those who do not give them what they want.. or agree with them

https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/dispensational-hoaxes-lies/

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THERE ARE THOSE MUCH TOO MANY WEIRD DISPENSATIONALIST FALSE TEACHINGS, LIES SUCH AS 1: ALL OF THE JEWS DO NOT HAVE TO GET SAVED. BUT YET THE APOSTLES HAD TO GET SAVED AND THEY PREACHED THE SALVATION MESSAGE TO ALL THE JEWS WORLD WIDE NEXT TOO.

Romans 10: 1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

DISPENSATIONALISTS

THEY ALSO PREACH THE LIES

  • THE JEWS HAVE TO RECLAIM ALL OF THE PROMISE LAND
  • THEY HAVE TO REBUILD THE JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM,
  • THE JEWS HAVE TO KILL ALL OF THEIR ENEMIES AS WELL NOW.. YOU MEAN MURDER THEM IN COLD BLOOD.

YET THERE ARE NO SUCH VERSES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT STILL..

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Once considered a small marginal doctrine among evangelicals, the false dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism has greatly escalated, ironically falsely with the help of Jews Messianic Jews, Judaizers and many others too.

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The Jews had invaded, and changed even the evangelical Church Plymouth Brethren, Baptist to produce the false dispensational teachings, doctrines.

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There is no New Testament verse even indicating that the old Jerusalem will or has to be rebuild or it’s Jewish temple, or even now next one day Jerusalem will be the center of the world, or that the Jews were going to, or should return after the Romans kicked them out of the land of Israel in 70 ad. before Jesus Christ’s return.. this is only a Jewish Myth. Prove me wrong, show me the New testament Verses?
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Christians are not to be praying for a temple in Jerusalem anymore as..
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1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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1 Corinthians 6: 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
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Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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Jesus still had said Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
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Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
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Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
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Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
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THE CHRISTIANS CHURCH HAS EVEN REPLACED THE JEWISH ZIONISTS..
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Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
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Galatians 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
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Many people falsely quote no inapplicable old Testament verses and try to make them applicable today.. in particular to Israel. but Israel is no longer a Chosen people.. Our main attention is not on pray all Jews Go back to Israel, or rebuilding the city of Jerusalem or it’s obsolete temple but rather still praying all Jews become seabed.. and our main attention should ne now on helping all Christians firstly, even those in Palestine, Lebanon, Pakistan, India, Syria Egypt etc.,
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Salvation by the lordship of Jesus Christ now is needed for all unsaved persons, Jews, gentiles. It is not enough to merely accept that Jesus Christ is God as the devil believes that now also so what? he is still going to hell. Now the Messianic Jews believes in Jesus Christ the messiah, but so what they all will mostly God to hell cause they are unwilling to become real full Christians, unwilling to give up the Torah as well, to make Jesus Christ the sole Lord in their life, and not any Laws rather too.. .. so they too now are still counted rightfully as lost, unsaved person..
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Now as to the Jews, Arabs, None of them are politically correct. Thus says the Lord God of Israel: You shed blood, yet you would keep possession on the land? You rely on your sword, you do abominable things… yet you would keep possession of the land?… I will make the land a desolate waste, and her proud strength will come to an end. (Ezekiel 33:25-29) On the basis of such sober warnings is it not more likely that Israel will experience an imminent exile rather than restoration? The tension between Christians who call for the implementation of international law and Zionists is no where more clearly polarized than on the issue of the status of Jerusalem. Many true evangelicals do now support a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank. They support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians. If all of the learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God himself and admit that right was the same God who took them next away from that land now twice too… THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT talk about the Jews return next to it too. But God still wants the Jews and Palestinians brothers to live in peace together.
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WE ARE TO REBUKE ALL OF THOSE MURDEROUS JEWS EVEN
1 Corinthians 5”5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
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Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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Mark 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
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Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
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1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
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1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
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Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
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Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
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Hell was meant for the devil and his angels but man chose to go there, because he has a free will, cause he does not serve God fully, because he has his own false religion , falsie beliefs he does not want to Gove up, too lazy to study the Bible firsthand, even cause he seeks the praises of mere men over God now too…” indicates they still most likely are not Christians.. the sad dispensationalists included now.

 

There are few Dispensationalist who do even agree with each other, who do even believe in most of the same things, many falsely as well do not accept the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit, or the present existence of the of 5 fold New testament Biblical Ministry offices of Ephesians.

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John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism in the English vernacular. He produced a false translation of the Bible based on the Hebrew and Greek texts called The Holy Scriptures: A New Translation from the Original Languages by J. N. Darby.

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The Plymouth Brethren has next mainly split into Exclusive and Open Brethren in 1848 when George Müller refused John Nelson Darby‘s bias view of the relationship between local assemblies following difficulties in the Plymouth meeting. Brethren that held Muller’s congregational view became known as “Open”, those holding Darby’s ‘connexional‘ view, became known as “Exclusive” or “Darbyite” Brethren. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/subdivisions/exclusivebrethren

The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada between the 1840’s and 1870’s. A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered “the most profound Bible student of modern times.” He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. Three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the false teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism. Jesus tells us “Beware of the scribes…” and in 1 Corinthians 1:19-20 “It is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?”

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Holy Bible Darby TranslationJohn Nelson Darby Version: Doctrinal Changes to the Holy Bible In view of John Darby’s departure from historic Christian beliefs, let us examine his bible http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_doctrinal_changes.html

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Dispensationalism: Occult Roots Do you really believe the Holy Spirit led J.N. Darby and other Brethren leadersto use Luciferian terms to refer to God and teach supposedly “recovered” biblical truths? http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_writings_occult.html

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John Darby’s Pre-Tribulation Rapture Alterations to the Bible John Nelson Darby inserted a message of imminence into many prophetic verses of scripture. http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_pretrib_immediacy.html

Religious people are always arguing about WHEN it will happen – PRE – MID – POST tribulation. Believing NO RAPTURE solves all those arguments. Some people prefer NOT to call it THE RAPTURE, but have other names for it. You hear people quoting Scripture when they say COME QUICKLY, LORD JESUS. They are looking for an ESCAPE from the things of this world. When things REALLY get bad, and there is NO RAPTURE, many will turn their back on Jesus because they were not RESCUED. When this happens, they cancel their ticket to Heaven. This is exactly what the devil wanted, when he started the teaching of THE RAPTURE. The false teachings of Rapture, Zionism, Eternal security, were also brought in by the The Plymouth Brethren IS THERE REALLY TO BE A RAPTURE The origin of Rapture False doctrine: John Darby 1830 AD.

http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm

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The reality is that because of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross the New Covenant next replaces the Mosaic Covenant, which is commonly referred to as the “Old Covenant”. All of the early Christian theologians saw the New Covenant in Christ as a replacement for the Mosaic Covenant for most of the last hundreds of years.
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(Matthew 21:33-45), addressed Israel, the Jews of that time, “the chief priests and the Pharisees”, “‘When therefore the lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those farmers?’ They told him, ‘He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will lease out the vineyard to other farmers, who will give him the fruit in its season.”
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Romans 2:28-29: “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God.”
Romans 3:29-31: “Or is God the God of Jews only? Isn’t he the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith, and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then nullify the law through faith? May it never be! No, we establish the law.”
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Romans 9:6-8: “But it is not as though the word of God has come to nothing. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel. Neither, because they are Abraham’s seed, are they all children. But, ‘In Isaac will your seed be called.’ That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as a seed.”
Romans 10:12-13: “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich to all who call on him. For, ‘Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Galatians 3:29: “If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to promise.”
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Ephesians 2:11-22, especially Ephesians 2:14: “For he [Jesus] is our peace, who made both [Jews and Gentiles] one, and broke down the middle wall of partition .
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Only Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6) and that there is no other salvation but through him. The saints are described in Revelation as those who “hold to the testimony of Jesus.” ((Rev 12:17 KJV)
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The false hooks of mere man’s interpretations, mere men’s teachings and not God’s now as well.. a false detour, deviation actually next from the real truth in the Bible, even from the Holy Sprit’s personal teachings now to, all made now to make sure you will never see God’s whole truths. Mind you and do note how really subtle the devil is here now too. Not surprisingly the devil also now uses the same techniques when he uses the Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses, and others to get you hooked on their distortions, lies, reinterpretations too..

I was VERY MUCH surprised how crooked many of the Evangelical pastors, elders, churches are and the Catholic ones too. I have to admit it all came to me as a shock firstly when I started to attend Evangelical, Baptist, Brethren, Mennonite, Pentecostal
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There are many people, pastors, so called leaders, who because of various reasons have never received the fullness of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the second blessings , and thus they do not even know that they are out of touch with God and the holy Spirit.They are still carnal, use their own human reasons, understandings, or listen to other carnal persons to obtain their often still false, corrupted spiritual understandings True spiritual understanding is a direct revelation from the Holy Spirit, with whom they have no contact even.. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/the-plymouth-brethren/
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The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is also referred to as, “the second blessing.” where the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an additional experience that we must seek after we are saved, rather than the initial one most people we receive with salvation. So in that case, the baptism with the Holy Spirit would be a SECOND BLESSING. Most real Pentecostal and Charismatic people do believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a second blessing – one received in addition to salvation. They believe that you can be saved, and be indwelt by Christ — but that this is not ALL that God has for most us. You thus must go on to receive POWER, gifts, and an overflow. This, to them, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the so-called, “second blessing.” The reasons most people did not receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit at Salvation was they were ignorant of it, they did not accept Jesus Christ fully as the sole Lord of their life at salvation. Their salvation is more of an intellectual salvation not a fully experiential salvation.. If you still personally must receive a second blessing to receive ALL that God wants to give us, then you do NOT receive all when you receive Christ. Thus, this means that it is entirely possible to be saved but LACK everything that goes with this, “second blessing.” Which most often is the case.
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I find it so absurd that these people still tend to not know what the Bible teaches, they believe their churches false teachings on healing, Zionism, Dispensationalism, tithing etc.

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Now had most fundamentals evangelicals actually read their Bibles, known the Bible instead of wrongfully listening to the so called Bible teachers, false preachers, bad teachers they would not have easily deceived to neglect the present full empowerment available of all believers by the Holy Spirit…

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We even today have loads of false Messianic Jews and others like the “Plymouth Brethren”, Evangelical Dispensationalists, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses. Mormons. now also are.. trying to corrupt the Church. with False information, More futuristic prophecies and information, an the anti Holy Spirit Movement, Zionism, Eternal security too, even the coming rapture of the church which could never be found in the New Testament, Past Christianity is still being brought to you by the Devil..

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All of the Biblical Scriptures are clear and understandable and profitable for all things pertaining to life and godliness if one gets the right interpretation from the Holy Spirit and not mere men as rather too often is still the case.

https://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/the-major-biblical-problem-with-dispensationalism/

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Read the scriptures for you think that doing so you will gain eternal life, but many people now do read the Bible and never got eternal life, cause they omitted the spirit of Jesus Christ actual teachings and the Bible’s as well
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see also
https://wittnessed.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/i-am-a-slave-to-no-man/
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The Plymouth Brethren
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Dispensationism, Cessationism, Zionism and the Bible
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http://postedat.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/dispensationalists-plymouth-brethren/

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http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/the-plymouth-brethren/
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http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/tonce-gods-chosen-people

Dispensationalists it seems to compensate for their often rejections « Posted at wordpress.com

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/

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October 30, 2011

Are you a real Christian,

(Rom 1:16 KJV)  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
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   (Mat 19:29 KJV)  And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 

NOW REALLY IS THERE A QUCIK IMMEDIATE, SIMPLE WAY TO GET TO HEAVEN OR IS IT A LIFE TIME PROCESS? AND WHAT IS THE FIRST STEP THAT I NEED TO TAKE? BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, READ THE BIBLE, PRACTISE IT AND PRAY, DO GOOD WORKS?

Jesus died for sinners on the cross, was buried, and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4). His death was a sacrifice that turns away the wrath of God (1 John 2:2). This is the only way to be saved.

Jesus is the one who died for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). He is the only way to the God the Father (John 14;6). He alone reveals God (Matt. 11:27). He has all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18). It is only through Him that you can be saved from God’s wrath (Eph. 2:3). He can forgive you of your sin (Luke 5:20; Matt. 9:2). He can remove the guilt that is upon your soul. Jesus can set you free from the bondage of sin that blinds your eyes, weakens your soul, and brings you to despair. He can do this because He bore sin in His body on the cross (1 Peter. 2:24) that those who trust in Him would be saved. Jesus Christ now is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), physically risen from the dead, Lord (Luke 24:34; John 2:19-21) and Savior (Acts 5:30-32). He came to die for sinners (Rom. 5:8) to deliver people from the righteous wrath of God upon us.

How do I firstly become a Christian?

Firstly unless you  admit you are an unholy person, a sinner before God and you  see your personal need of Salvation by Jesus Christ, but  next also give  all you own, have, and are, to the Lord Jesus Christ you will not become next a real Christian.. and that includes you giving up your  own plans, goals, ambitions, agendas, desires, aims..  One is a fool anyway who tries to keep what he cannot..   One also cannot become a Christian by having a negative attitude toward life, other religions, being an abstainer, refraining from drinking, smoking, swearing, adultery, idolatry, or kindred sins. Any sinner who stops sinning on his own is a sinner still. What he or she still needs is to become inside a new person, with a changed, cleansed heart, and a godly nature but the Holy Sprit of Jesus Christ alone does this if you meet his perquisites, requirements, conditions.

A FULL HONEST SALVATION GOSPEL INCLUDES now you accepting BOTH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND ALSO JESUS CHRIST AS HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZER.

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The word christos means a person   HOLY SPIRIT  anointed  . The Greek name for an individual “Christos” rendered “Christ” in Scripture, the basic of the term Christian now as well, comes from the Greek word “chrio” means to anoint with oil, the symbol of the Holy Spirit, one can tell if any person is a Christian cause they also can see the evidence of the holy spirit’s anointing.. so now we all can be anointed one inspectors of all Christians now too.

Luke 4:18-19 (Wey) [Jesus:] “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to proclaim Good News to the poor; He has sent me to announce release to the prisoners of war and recovery of sight to the blind: to send away free those whom tyranny has crushed, to proclaim the year of acceptance with the Lord.”

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. . . . As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1 John 2:20, 27

Additionally, we find a word christianos in Acts 11:26, which means “one belonging to the Anointed One,”

Disciples of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because evidentially their behavior, activity, and speech were anointed, Christ like. (Acts 10:38 KJV) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

The definition of a real Christian varies depending on who you talk to, and what type of church they attend as well.. but what did Jesus, the Apostles say a real Christian was, is? The devil even believes Jesus, God exists so what!! Being a Christian is more than your present personal head Knowledge, or beliefs, it is still a real, initial and personal experience with Jesus Christ like Apostle Paul had on the road to Damascus

Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: :4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? :5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. :6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

If you are not a Christian, and want to be delivered from the righteous judgment of God upon you due to your sin against Him, then come to the One who died for the sins of the world. Come to the One who died for sinners (Matt. 11:28). Admit, confess, Turn from all of your sins. Believe and trust in Jesus. Receive Jesus, who is God in flesh, who died and rose from the dead (1 Cor. 15:1-4) as your personal Lord and Savior. Ask Jesus to forgive you now of all of your sins. Receive Christ (John 1:12). Only He can wash you clean from your sins and only Jesus can deliver you from the righteous judgment of a holy and infinite God. Pray to Jesus. Seek Him. Ask Him to save you. He will if you come to him humbly, sincerely and repentantly.

Now no one can make himself to be a real Christian. No, not by quantities of their good works or trying to live a moral life of the highest quality, not by their church attendance, water baptisms, good citizenship, higher education, charitable giving, burning candles, reciting prayers, amount of prayers, or even their studying the Bible, their Knowledge of the Bible now too, or thousands and one things of similar nature. Do you understand also this?

Are you now a real Christian, or a pretender, imposter still?   Sadly too Fundamentalist ,Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and other Protestants tend now to define “Christians”innclude only those persons who have been “born again”  negelcting them filled with the  Holy Spirit as well Fundamentalist Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and other Protestants tend now to define “Christians” very more narrowly to include only those persons who have been “born again” regardless of their present denomination. About 35% of the North American adult population identify themselves in this valid way. By some definitions, 75% of Americans are nominal Christians; but now by the other more valid definitions it is only about 30 percent are the real Christians. As simple as that too..

In recent decades, however, the real Christians have begun discerning the other true Christians from mere professing believers less by denomination and more by actual beliefs, not just by their personal religious commitment. “It’s a question of the heart: Has someone turned away from his own good works attemopts to make it to heaven and rather has put his trust in Jesus Christ to attain this and does he believe in the Full Gospel of Jesus that the Bible portrays?”

do see also http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/are-you-a-real-christian-or-a-pretender-imposter-still/

Unlike each of you, my own mind did not know, comprehend beforehand what God has in store, had prepared for us, or his requirements for us even to become a Christian, as well as to become Baptized in the Holy Sprit and much more.. Yes the True Christians even these days Are Holy Ghost Baptized and they know they have received such a personal experience.. even as evidenced by speaking in tongues

Keep in mind, there are two distinct phases of the one baptism in Christ. Jesus says in John 3:5 that ”Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” I repeat, water baptism is repentance, and spirit baptism is Holy Ghost fire and power. When we are truly Born Again (John 3:3), which is the Phase One baptism, there is a change in us that radiates on the outside of us, enabling all to see that something different has occurred in our lives. When we are truly Born Again, there is a new attitude towards The Lord Jesus Christ, toward His Word which becomes Spirit and life in us (John 6:63), making us, IF we will surrender, Believers who walk in of His Word. As one truly Born Again, we have a new attitude toward other Believers, toward prayer, toward life in general, toward death, and toward sin (hating it with a passion). When we are truly Born Again, dead to the old order in our lives – we start anew by not doing the things we used to do (nightclubs, alcohol, smoking, homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, winking our eye at sin around us, cheating, stealing, lying, and so on).

The Holy Spirit of promise is the Spirit of truth that first removed the scales of darkness from our eyes and unstopped our ears so that we could then see and hear The Lord and come to accept the Gospel of salvation – Jesus the Messiah. We heard about Jesus, believed what we heard, and gave our lives to Him, but this was just the beginning work of the Holy Spirit of promise that Jesus spoke of before His death – but not all. Now that we have been transformed from darkness (sin/the world) to light (Christ, righteousness/faith, holiness), the work of the Holy Spirit continues. The Holy Spirit of promise guides us into the truths of the Word of God that we are to accept and believe in full (not partial), and act upon by walking in His Word. In being Born Again, the Word of God begins to open up to us, which is the Holy Spirit of promise kindling a hunger and thirst in us to want to go higher – to want to really please The Lord by way of our faith and obedience unto Him. This is part of the process of going beyond the “sealing” because we feel the necessity for or have the need for, something more in our walk with God. This is when being able to worship Him in spirit and in truth comes in; it fills that “something more” in our walk with God – it supplies that hunger down inside

Listen Up! Acts Is Speaking To You

he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire… (Luke 3:16).

This fire is God’s electrical charge in the spirit of the Believer – baptism in the Holy Ghost – Holy Ghost power. This is God’s presence and the instrument of His power.

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses [the Word of God coupled with miracles, signs, and wonders] unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth (Acts 1:8).

This power is miraculous work through Jesus Christ for the Body of Christ/the Church to be witnesses of God’s existence and love. You, the Church, cannot be a true witness, especially during the end time harvest, without that “fire” that Christ baptizes with. Without it you are kidding yourself and you have been for a long time. “Playing church” is what you’ve been doing. (Being without Holy Ghost baptism is why the Body of Christ is in such deep apostasy and has been for hundreds of years, but super worse now.)

God’s Holy Spirit takes control of your life because you now have totally surrendered your will and His Holy Spirit is now in you, possessing you. Aside from wanting and asking for Holy Ghost fire baptism, it is imperative that you first be a broken and willing vessel with an obedient spirit as Acts 5:32 speaks of…

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost whom God hah given to them that obey him (Acts 5:32).

Beloved, Paul repented of his sinful ways and got his sight back, and was filled with the Holy Ghost by the laying on of Ananias‘ hands. It was this Holy Ghost fire baptism that equipped Paul to do the great work of The Lord’s to the Gentiles. This same Holy Ghost fire baptism is a must for you as a Believer, to enable you to worship God in spirit and in truth, be faithful/righteous, be obedient, and live and work in the Kingdom.

SEE ALSO

http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/true-christians-are-holy-ghost-baptized/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/behold-the-lamb-of-god-jesus/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/the-promises-of-eternal-life-by-jesus-christ/

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