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December 27, 2013

So why do some people falsely push the Secret Rapture?

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The  false secret  Rapture doctrine, which was generally the invention of the Plymouth Brethren led by John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), the idea that Jesus Christ will return for His true Church just before the beginning of the Great Tribulation in a secret gathering or “catching away” was an important part of Darby’s teaching and by  1860 the “rapture” had made its way to the United States. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/the-plymouth-brethren/

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So why do some people falsely push the secret Rapture?

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Real Bible ignorance firstly.. They have not studied the New Testament prayerfully for themselves but mostly listen to the lies, distortions of others.

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There are many people, pastors, so called leaders, who because of various reasons have never received the fullness of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the second blessings , and thus they do not even know that they are out of touch with God and the holy Spirit.They are still carnal, use their own human reasons, understandings, or listen to other carnal persons to obtain their often still false, corrupted spiritual understandings True spiritual understanding is a direct revelation from the Holy Spirit, with whom they have no contact even. https://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/
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It is ludicrous,. really absurd that some people will still falsely claim they are Experts  on the Holy Spirit, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, praying, speaking in toungues too, a personal  experience they still  have never even had..
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The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is also referred to as, “the second blessing.”  where the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an additional experience that we must seek after we are saved, rather than the initial  one most people we receive with salvation. So in that case, the baptism with the Holy Spirit would be a SECOND BLESSING. Most real Pentecostal and Charismatic people do believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a second blessing – one received in addition to salvation. They believe that you can be saved, and be indwelt by Christ — but that this is not ALL that God has for most us. You thus must go on to receive POWER, gifts, and an overflow. This, to them, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the so-called, “second blessing.” The reasons most people did not receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit at Salvation was they were ignorant of it, they did not accept Jesus Christ fully as the sole Lord of their life at salvation. Their salvation  is more of an intellectual salvation not a fully experiential salvation.. If you still personally must receive a second blessing to receive ALL that God wants to give us, then you do NOT receive all when you receive Christ. Thus, this means that it is entirely possible to be saved but LACK everything that goes with this, “second blessing.”  Which most often is the case. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/disspensationalists-are-false-christians/

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It seems strange to me that the Lord would not reveal, by the Holy Spirit, a teaching which the end-time prophets of today preach as a foundational dogma and a forgone conclusion. Not until 1831 was this “new truth” revealed and not until the 20th century was it popularized. How is it that the Apostles and the Early Fathers overlooked such an important eschatological event? Why is it not clearly spelled out in the Scriptures? The obvious answer is this: THE DOCTRINE KNOWN AS THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH DOES NOT EXIST! Like all other heresies it was and is the invention of men, not the teaching of the Church. Rather than listen to the doctrines of men, let us pay extremely close attention to our Lord’s own words in the Gospels.  When Jesus taught His Apostles about His glorious 2nd coming, these are the words He used: “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Matthew 24:27)”. In the book of Acts, St. Luke tells us that when Jesus ascended into heaven, and the Apostles were gazing upward as the Lord rose among the clouds, two men in white apparel (presumed to be angels) said these words: “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven (Acts 1:11)”. We are told here in Holy Scripture that exactly in the same way Jesus ascended into heaven He will return to earth. In other words, He will return in the clouds in the sky. That description doesn’t sound like a “secret catching away” but rather a dynamic 2nd coming!  To be sure, there will be a catching away of the saints on earth but this happens at the last trumpet sound (Revelation 11:15). Writing to the Christians in Thessalonica, St. Paul tells us what the 2nd coming (Greek- parousia) is like. “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18)”. The same words are used here to describe the catching up of Christians as is used to describe the 2nd coming of the Lord. Both occur in the clouds, in the air, and everyone on earth sees it happen. In other words, the so-called Rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ will happen at the same time.
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Perhaps the most vivid picture of our Lord’s 2nd coming to earth is found in the words of St. John the Apostle. In the book of Revelation he writes: “Behold, He cometh with clouds and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, amen (Revelation 1:7)”. Far from believing that the Lord will return “secretly” to rapture the Church 7 years before His 2nd coming, St. John says that every human being on earth will see the Lord descend from the clouds. Once again, here are the words of the Nicene Creed, the symbol and statement of faith for all Christians: “He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kindgom shall have no end.” The 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ shall be in glory, not in secret. Then the Prince of Peace shall establish true peace, joy, and righteousness on the earth; “For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea (Habakkuk 2:14)”.

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Most dispensationalists still do   take isolated verse and twist them to suit what they want others to believe still especially the false Dispensationalists http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/most-people-do-take-isolated-verse-and-twist-them/

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Dispensationalism is basically false and it is the  method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies of  Israel and the Church. It also unacceptably tries falsely to explain away  the relevance of the gifts of the holy spirit today.  It is not a coincident that too many  Dispensationalists do also oppose the work of the   HOLY SPIRIT today as well, HIS Charismatic GIFTS NOW TOO.  Evangelical Dispensationalists do also still tend to be trying to earn a great spot in heaven by their own good works, saving others, following the teaching of men, an evil spirit, and not the Holy Spirit rather.. http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus/

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(Isa 30:1 KJV) Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

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I am   aware of the fact John Darby and Cyrus Scofield have led many saints into such a mess, that it’s become the tool for a Brethren cult too! Some persons do preach, write out of their guilty, to compensate for the related emptiness they are feeling, while others write because they are ambitious, they write out of seeking fame, their seeking a place of prominence.. many are just lead by the devil too.

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The Second Advent of our Messiah Jesus Christ is in fact Biblically sound Doctrine, it will happen!  However, the Rapture theory fabricates a pre-Second Advent advent, which is not in the Bible. In essence, what they have done is that they have made three advents out of the true two Advents of Jesus Christ as found in among other places, {Zech 9:9+10}.  It is a falsehood created by man and added to God’s Word.  In this Bible study we will thoroughly debunk the Rapture lie and explain not only it’s dubious origins, but also it’s cause and effect, and the extreme danger that such a false doctrine poses for God’s children. The rapture, often called “the blessed hope,” is sadly more hoax than hope,  For such a seemingly major doctrine, one might expect a weighty argument, but this is what is offered in The Scofield Bible’s Reference Notes (1917 Edition): “…’caught up’—Not church saints only, but all bodies of the saved [that is, not only the living, but also the dead], of whatever dispensation, are included in the first resurrection… [It] is peculiarly the ‘blessed hope’ of the Church (cf)  This offers surprisingly little information, considering how many accept the rapture doctrine based upon these notes. Additionally, all of the references he cited are about Christ’s return and the believer’s need to be ready for that event. None of them speak of a “near return” by Christ to snatch away believers.

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Some rapturists today cite Acts 8:39And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.   saying it uses the same Greek word that is translated “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.   They say that the fact the Spirit of God “caught [Philip] away” shows that 1 Thessalonians 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. means that the saints are caught away to heaven. Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.

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The Rapture ‘doctors’ (those who create, fabricate, and perpetuate the many different Rapture theories) have searched the Bible over and have found a finite number of Scriptures that they were able to pull violently out of context, twist and mould, reshape and join unnaturally one to the other until they have formed a new product, a new doctrine, seemingly supported by Biblical Scripture, but in reality nothing more than satan’s ‘house of cards,’ built on a foundation of sand, a perversion of God’s true end-time plan.   Any claim of any verse verses  being  about snatched away to heaven takes incredible license, distortions  with the Bible.

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The Rapture doctrine is dangerous because it teaches Christians that they will be spared all tribulation, wrath, and danger in the last days. The need for urgent preparation of one’s heart and soul is diminished because Christians will be secretly taken away from all that pain. No need to worry, we’ll just fly away. Unlike the Early Christians, most of whom were murdered by this world’s authorities, the end-time Christians have a get-out-of-tribulation free card called the Rapture. Remember the words of St. Paul, “All those who live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution (2 Timothy 2:12).” And lastly, the words of the Lord in John 16:33, “These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

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The Rapture Theory; What Does God’s Word Say About It?   http://biblestudysite.com/rapture.htm

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Rapture? not such thing even.. http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm

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Hal Lindsey the typical evangelical hireling, a self-proclaimed “Father of the Modern Day False Prophecy Movement,” popularized the false eschatology doctrines of most dispensationalists. His books have influenced thousands of preachers, teachers and laymen leading them astray in the subject of eschatology. Hal has also been a leader in coercing believers into supporting a false religion (Babylonian Talmudic Judaism), and a nation (Israel) that oppresses nearly half of its citizens (Palestinians). Like most men who have acquired great wealth, prestige and influence he has spent a good deal of time chasing women. His third wife and church gave him the boot for his sexcapades.  For detailed proof of his false prophecies and teachings go to — haLUNACY

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All they care about is inspiring people to idolize Israel and the almighty Jews. Is your church stupid? It is if you support Israel. You are IGNORANT of the Scriptures my friend if you think God blesses Christians who support a wicked, Christ-rejecting people. The idolizing and worshipping of Jerusalem, Israel and the Jews is evil in the sight of God.   http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Zionism/israel_idolatry.htm

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If you still do have a God shaped vacuum that is unfilled, then no other things, no relationships or careers, goals, next will satisfy you, not even any personal, social, community relationships, acts. http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/even-heaven-awaits-jewish-return-to-god-jesus-christ-and-rather-not-to-the-promised-earthly-land/

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Do see also

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/

http://pbulow.tripod.com/good.html

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/

 http://www.preteristarchive.com/dEmEnTiA/davis-nord_dd_01.html

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March 19, 2013

The fall of the Anti Christ

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Mere men and not the Holy Spirit now are leading you away from the real Bible truths  into lies, distortions, falsehoods even the Dispensationalists.  Dispensationalist eschatology is a new theology  not even  a part of Christianity even for 1800 years, was originally taught by a Plymouth Brethren evangelist named John Nelson Darby in the mid-1800’s and was popularized by the Scofield Study Bible, published initially in 1909.
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Dispensationalism is a man made system of arbitrarily dividing up God’s dealings with man into certain time periods and it gained more popularity toward the end of the 20th century through popular money making books such as “The Late Great Planet Earth” and many others..
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The first Dispensation supposedly of the church age was a Dispensation of miracles. This first dispensation is when God gave supernatural attestation to the writing of the Scriptures. My Jesus  still heals, delivers, perform Miracles today as Hebrews 13:8 says ” Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”  It is no wonder these lost supposedly  Christians persons do  oppose the gifts, working, and the person of the Holy Spirit even now as he does not go along with their lies..
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This dispensation ended with the closing of the canon of Scripture (with the book of Revelation) and the dying off of the initial apostles a fact that is a great untruth.. Jesus the Word still lives even till we see him face to face..  1 Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
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The remainder of the church age consists of a downward spiral toward apostasy, also known as the great falling away. This down-hill spiral is reflected in seven phases of the church age, reflected by the letters to the seven types of churches written in Revelation 2-3, hypothesizing falsely that the final condition of the church will solely be characterized by the church in Laodicea which was described as “wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—“ Rev 3:17
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At the end of the church age, when the church is supposedly at it’s weakest point, the false church in fact only, an anti-christ ruler is going to surface who will try and turn being a Christian into a living hell. But supposedly  just before that, there will be a secret partial return of Christ where Christians disappear in an event dubbed “the Rapture”, although there realy isn’t anything in the Bible about a partial second coming. Many false doctrines are built on minor Bible references still here too.
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“The secret rapture doctrine takes several different forms. Some believe all Christians will disappear, while others believe only certain groups within the Body of Christ will go. One version is that the over-comers (those walking in victory at the moment of His return) will get rescued. Others believe it will only be those who are ready and expectant of His appearing, who will get to go.” But who really knows now?
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This event, triggers a 7 year dispensation called the “Great Tribulation” where evil totally triumphs in the earth.
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At the end of that time, Jesus returns again, along with the group He raptured, but this time sets up his throne in Jerusalem and inaugurates the dispensation of the rule of God on earth called the Kingdom age or the “millennium”. There is even a great controversy as to who actual even resides on earth during this period..
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Dispensational literalists say that the physical Jesus will be ruling the Jews, the whole world, out of His headquarters in Jerusalem, along with the rest of  all us immortalized Christians; but at the same time there will be also regular mortal humans on the earth. But everybody will be tame because the devil will be locked up during that whole time. Some also falsely do contend that the ancient mode of ceremonial temple worship will be re-implemented with red heifers and blood sacrifices being offered in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. This is Jewish fables..
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At the end of that era, the devil will be let out for one last final attempt at a coup before he is thrown into hell with all the people he sways in his last big hurrah along with the people who support him now too.
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At that point the final phase of Christ’s return will now  happen where all the dead are resurrected and all the nations and peoples (apart from the Christians) will be judged before the great white throne judgment of God. Judged for their rewards? Since all bad people automatically go to hell upon their death.. Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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Dispensationalist eschatology falsely   has produced a view that the reign of God and His glorious Kingdom is for some distant future 1000 years era instead of any present reality, how clearly demonic. This doctrine sabotages any real hope or expectation for renewal and revival. This errant theology   is  fatalistically glorifying mainly that devil and the “anti-christ” who is about to emerge in the earth and try and make them accept a tattoo or computer chip in order to buy and sell. It grants power to a devil who Scripture tells us has been stripped of all power and authority. (Luke 10:19; Col. 2:15) It has contributed to a fear that there is a vast and comprehensive world-wide conspiracy of evil all around us, poised and ready to take over the government, the economy, and even the apostate churches. It reduces the need to contemplate and to dwell on Christ.. 1 Corinthians 2::2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.  Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
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The possibility of  personal salvation world wide is emphasized and thus the goal is to get everybody ‘saved”; while ignoring Christ’s actual commission in Mathew 28:18-20 to disciple nations and neglecting  the truth that the  Christian now has an ability live a full Holy Spirit filled, empowered Christian life..  as Jesus himself had said  in John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
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“Jesus Christ came as the Son of Man (the Second Adam) to set up God’s Kingdom on the earth. The Biblical prophecies that Christ would reign as King were fulfilled in Christ’s enthronement at His ascension. Daniel’s prophecy of the Son of Man coming in the clouds was fulfilled at the ascension of Christ. The Kingdom was established during the first advent of Christ, (including the judgment of A.D. 70 and destruction of the temple) It is now in progress and will continue to increase until the end of the world.
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The Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21) is not about the second coming of Christ. It is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70; Christ’s impending resurrection, ascension and enthronement; and the final days of temple worship and the end of the Mosaic covenant. Christ’s own words stated it would happen in their lifetime. (the preciseness and accurate, detailed fulfillment of Jesus’ words are documented by the then contemporary historian Josephus) Jesus clearly described what he called the “great tribulation”, as part of what would happen in their generation, but would never happen again. Jesus clearly and explicitly said it will not. Matt 24:21 “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be”. The “Great Tribulation” took place in the fall of Israel. It will not be repeated and thus is not a future event. (although Christians in every age have had to endure suffering for the faith)
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All of Christ’s enemies are gradually being subdued under His reign from heaven. He will remain in heaven until all enemies are defeated. The last enemy, death will be destroyed when he returns. (Acts 2:34-35)

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Jesus Christ will return on the Last Day, when the resurrection and the last judgment will take place. The “Rapture” (the translation/immortalization of all believers) and the Second Coming will occur together. There will be one resurrection of all men; the righteous will be raised unto everlasting life, and the wicked will be raised to eternal judgment.

More specifically, through faith in Christ we have ALREADY passed from death into life; have ALREADY been healed by His stripes; have ALREADY been raised up with Him; and are ALREADY seated with Him in heavenly places. We ALREADY have dominion over sin, sickness and disease, and even nature itself, but must activate those things by faith. (Note Ephesians 2:4-7; Colossians 2:11-16)Isaiah 9:6-7: “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder… Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”

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It is not time to live in fear or some kind of fatalistic expectation of any of the darkness overtaking the light. Rather, it is time to recognize   2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

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see also

http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/tag/anointed/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/sole-gospel/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/                    

March 21, 2009

Murder today

Filed under: Christianity — Tags: , , , , — thenonconformer @ 7:45 pm

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Did Israeli soldiers murder unarmed civilians again?  Remember also they did the same thing in Lebanon.. Mar 20, 2009 04:30 AM 

‘The most moral army in the world’ killed civilians without cause’ JERUSALEM–Israeli soldiers killed unarmed Palestinian civilians without provocation or warning and vandalized their property during this country’s January offensive in Gaza, say some of the soldiers who fought there. In one incident, Israeli soldiers apparently herded a Palestinian family into a single room of their house and left them there, while the troops took positions upstairs and also set up a sniper’s post on the roof. Several days later, soldiers instructed the family to leave the house, directing them to depart the area by heading to the right. They neglected to inform the sharpshooter on the roof what they were doing. One mother and her two children mistakenly turned to the left and were promptly shot dead by the rooftop sniper. “He shot them straight away,” the squad leader said during the college discussion. “I don’t think he felt too bad about it, because, after all, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given.” The same squad leader reported a general attitude of contempt for Palestinian civilians, a mindset that enabled Israeli soldiers to engage in callous or sometimes lethal behaviour. “I don’t know how to describe it,” he said. “The lives of Palestinians, let’s say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers.  “So, as far as they are concerned, they can justify it that way.”  In another incident, a company commander is said to have ordered his troops to shoot and kill an elderly woman walking past them at a distance of about 100 metres.  You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it – to write `Death to the Arabs’ on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can,” said a squad leader who opposed the order.  Oher soldiers described widespread abuses of property. “We would throw everything out the windows to make room and order,” said one soldier.  Everything in the house was tossed out the windows – refrigerators, plates, furniture. The order was to throw all of the house’s contents outside.” Human rights groups have harshly criticized the Israeli military for its conduct of the war in Gaza – including the use of white phosphorus, a chemical harmful to humans – but the reports published here yesterday were the first documented accounts by Israeli soldiers themselves about widespread abuses. According to the most recent Palestinian figures, 1,417 Gazans died during the three-week conflict, more than 920 of them civilians.  At least one Israeli organization, the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism, puts the civilian death toll much lower. The college course at which the soldiers related their experiences was taught by Danny Zamir, who said he was “shocked” by what he heard and decided to publish a transcript of the discussion in a newsletter for course graduates.  http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/605363

 

 

 

 JERUSALEM (AP) — An increasingly disturbing picture of the Israeli army’s conduct in the Gaza war emerged Friday, as new witness accounts from Israeli troops described wanton vandalism to Palestinian homes, humiliation of civilians and loose rules of engagement that resulted in unnecessary civilian deaths. They also have echoed Palestinian allegations that Israel’s assault did not distinguish between civilians and combatants, at a time when some international human rights groups contend Israel violated the laws of war. Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 in what it said was an effort to end years of Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza. The Palestinian Center for Human Rights, which conducted a survey of casualties, says a total of 1,417 people were killed, including 926 civilians during the 22-day offensive. “Shoot and don’t worry about the consequences,” was the message from the top commanders, he said. Speaking of a lieutenant colonel who briefed the troops, Mr. Marmor said, “His whole demeanor was extremely gung ho. This is very, very different from my usual experience. I have been doing reserve duty for 12 years, and it was always an issue how to avoid causing civilian injuries. He said in this operation we are not taking any chances. Morality aside, we have to do our job. We will cry about it later.  Israeli ethicists say they are troubled by what they have heard. “Unfortunately, I think that selective use of killing civilians has been very much on the agenda for fighting terror,” said Yaron Ezrahi, a political scientist at Hebrew University who has been lecturing at defense colleges. “The army believes that a weak spot of Israeli deterrence is its strong commitment not to kill civilians, and there has grown the sense that it might have to temporarily overcome that weakness in order to restore deterrence.”  ” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD97204S80
   
a squad commander was quoted as saying: “What’s great about Gaza — you see a person on a path, he doesn’t have to be armed, you can simply shoot him. In our case it was an old woman on whom I did not see any weapon when I looked. The order was to take down the person, this woman, the minute you see her. There are always warnings, there is always the saying, ‘Maybe he’s a terrorist.’ What I felt was, there was a lot of thirst for blood.” http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/africa/21gaza.php
 
 One soldier asserted that extremist rabbis had told troops they were fighting a holy war.The soldier was quoted as saying that the rabbis had “brought in a lot of booklets and articles,” adding, “their message was very clear: We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle. God brought us back to this land, and now we need to fight to expel the non-Jews who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/world/middleeast/21gaza.html?ref=world
 
 
It is very clear that the Darby Plymouth Brethren, Dispensationalist  Christians to compensate for their failure to try to convert Jewish persons have come up with false reasons for not doing so as well
 
  
 
There actually is no Biblical basis, promises, prophecy for Israel reclaiming this land in the whole New Testament.. just more Old Testament Jewish spins.. http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-restoration-of/

 

The ends do not justify the means.. and does Stephen Harper and the Conservatives now also GIVE approval of all of this too? 

 

 

September 27, 2008

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September 19, 2008

The false Plymouth Brethren – Dispensationalists

Dispensationalists it seems to compensate for their often rejections by the Majority of Christians tend to hide who they really are still.. non Christians..   http://pbulow.tripod.com/good.html and http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-pentecostal-movement/

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 WE VALID CHRISTIANS DO BASE THE VALID DOCTRINES ON THE NEW TESTAMENT SUBSTANTIATION BY JESUS OR THE APOSTLES, NOT JUST ON THE  OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES.. now there is no biblical substantiation for Dispensationalists,  Eternal security, Zionism, Messianic Jew too  https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/disspensationalists-are-false-christians/

John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism in the English vernacular. He produced a false translation of the Bible based on the Hebrew and Greek texts called The Holy Scriptures: A New Translation from the Original Languages by J. N. Darby.
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/the-plymouth-brethren/
 
Dispensationalist – just another Holy Spirit hater who bashes, bullies others who do not agree with them too
 http://postedat.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/about-the-slave-driver-holy-spirit-hater/
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Dispensationalism is a system of theology that was first popularized by John Nelson Darby, 19th century British evangelist and forerunner of modern Christian fundamentalism.   The false  Scofield Reference Bible, written by Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, popularized dispensationalism in the United States.  The world’s Jews must return to Israel for a dispensational interpretation of prophecy to be fulfilled. To facilitate that process, dispensationalists have been leading groups of pilgrims to Israel since Falwell’s first visit in order to win financial and political support for settlement activity. http://www.theocracywatch.org/christian_zionism_dispensationalism.htm
 
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“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the  doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus  Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the  simple.” -Romans 16:17-18 KJV
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“Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it  necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all  delivered to the saints. For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out  for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the  only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.” -Jude 1:3-4
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In the 1830’s  a false supposedly Christian movement  erupted  that was led by John Nelson Darby, called generally  the “Plymouth Brethren”. One of the main leaders of the Plymouth Brethren in Plymouth, England was a lawyer named John Nelson Darby. Darby became the “Father of Dispensationalism”, and used the teachings on Daniel 9 by the Jesuits Ribera and Bellarmine as the foundation of his rapture teaching. Among other beliefs, the group emphasizes sola scriptura, the belief that the Bible is the supreme authority for church doctrine and practice over tradition. They do not speak about the holy spirit rather too often.. I wonder why?  “Brethren assemblies” are commonly perceived as being divided into at least two branches, the “Open Brethren” and the “Exclusive Brethren”. Both  tend to be false. The   Brethren have suffered many subsequent splits. Some groups have abandoned earlier principles, such as rejection of a salaried ministry and insistence on women’s silence.. those assemblies that have abandoned these principles, by allowing paid ministry and allowing women to teach openly from the pulpit, are often referred to as “Bible” churches  a false title as they clearly  do not  follow the whole new Testament even,  and with its emphasis on  the  centrality of the Lord’s Supper they  still rarely do  engage in joint efforts with other Christians in their communities or allow them to participate in the Lord’s supper..
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 In America, the designation of the building in which Open Brethren assemblies meet most often include the word “Chapel” in their formal name, combined with a biblical place name or principle or otherwise a local geographic feature—for instance, Ebenezer Gospel Chapel, Park Road Bible Chapel, Riverview Believers Chapel. But unlike many other Christian groups, the names of Christian saints, (e.g. Paul, Luke) are rarely or never used. The Closed groups, however, avoid “taking a name” to their group. A Closed group building is referred to as a “Meeting Room” or “Gospel Hall”, and the word “Chapel” is avoided. When you encounter them they tend to falsely hides, not disclose who they are but pretend to be solely Christians.. They do give false adherence to their own “Creeds” and “Confessions of Faith” and admittance to their memberships is not accepted freely. A distinctive practice of the Brethren is a separate weekly Communion meeting, referred to as the “Breaking of Bread” or “The Lord’s Supper”. Non Brethren are  Nonbelievers who also are not to partake of the “Breaking of Bread”. Most assemblies do not encourage visitors, strangers to take Communion, so often it is the custom of those who are travelling to take with them a “letter of introduction” so they might be permitted to take Communion away from their home assemblies. These letters are typically read aloud to those present at the “Remembrance Meeting”.
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Plymouth Brethren embrace the most extensive form of that idea in that there is no ordained or unordained person or group employed to function as minister(s) or pastor(s) But they do have local ruling elders and teachers.. Plymouth Brethren groups generally ppractise  that not all of the believers  are suited to give public ministry such as teaching and preaching  especially non Brethrenites. Traditionally, the assemblies   deny speaking and teaching roles to women, except when working with children or with other women. Some women may also be full-time workers, but their efforts are often limited to these mentioned areas or to supporting roles. Women are generally not allowed to participate in individual speech during the “Breaking of Bread” meeting (i.e., gathering). – some more  liberal  chapels allow women to take part on an equal footing to men, others do not. In recent years some American assemblies have loosened the rules on women participating, such as women singing special music during the “family Bible hours” at their assemblies, though others have reacted by placing more emphasis on this traditional teaching. Ironic that these denied women tend to rile over their husbands at home instead to compensate.
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Most assemblies do not have instrumental accompaniment to hymns and songs sung during the “Remembrance Meeting” but instead have men who “start the hymns” (choosing a tune, tempo, pitch and key and singing the first few words, with the rest joining in shortly thereafter  In some rare groups, musical accompaniment may be used at the other meetings (i.e., gatherings). This is not a normal Christian church for sure. Prayers for personal healing are rarely practiced now as well even though this is a biblical requirement.. Healing is considered a demonic ebvent as God doe snto heal according to them anymore, nor do the gift of speaking in toungues extsts anymore.
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James 5:15 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins..
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1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
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Of course they can always falsely justify their non Christian doctrines and behaviors.. Many leaders of the contemporary evangelical movement came from Brethren backgrounds is a false statement. for the fact is that these Brethren are not real Christians..
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Now Darby taught many false things such as Dispensationalist, Zionism, Rapture, eternal security, the cessation of the miracles and the Holy Spirit gifts  too. . By 1909,  Darbyism had infiltrated America. That year, Cyrus Scofield published his famous Scofield Bible. In the margin notes, Scofield readily accepted the dispensationalist teachings of J.N. Darby, and some of the other  lies . As can be expected, by the middle of the 1900’s, too many students graduating from America’s seminaries were well indoctrinated in both the Jesuit lies of Arminius, and the Dispensationalist hogwash of J.N. Darby. By the end of that century, too many  churches in America taught some level of Arminianism and the predominant eschatological view was of a future rapture followed by a seven-year tribulation. Both concepts were openly and clearly also Jesuit concepts pushed by the Society of Jesus in order to counter the Doctrines of Grace.
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The false Brethren wresting of Holy Scriptures to support a line of dispensational reaching contrary to the actual written word of God is still also unacceptable. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/so-why-do-some-pople-falsely-push-the-rapture/
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The Brethren  oft repeated assertion that the present voice of the Holy Spirit is located in the utterance of men is an affront to the Holy Spirit.  http://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus-2/
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“But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their teachings commandments of men. For, leaving the commandment of God, ye hold what is delivered by men to keep”, Mark 7: 7-8.
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“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him, that you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand.” — 2 Thess. 2:1,2.Apostle Peter tells us in his second letter (1.16,19-2.3):  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty …. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ….(1 Tim 1:7 KJV)  Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.(Heb 5:12 KJV)  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
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 Dispensationalists who unacceptably have a very negative view of the latter days, end times on this world,  now it seems to compensate for their often rejections by even main stream Christianity, and   as I have even recently now too often now personally witnessed, even on my sites they  have to still it seems falsely bash, slander, they falsely call others mentally unstable, biblically unsound, not real Christians, lie against the Pentecostals Christians too even in envy it seems cause they  the Pentecostals undeniably are it seems one of the fastest growing group today  in Christianity. These abusive, immoral rather  Brethren who often do hide, disguise them as Gospel, Bible believing Christians only,  are an unacceptable part of the un Holy wars on the net too..  The Brethren dispensational views and related false doctrines have undeniably now been refused, refuted  and not accepted by main stream Christianity too.
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DISPENSATIONALSIM , AMONGST IT’S UNDENIABLE MANY  BAD, FALSE TEACHINGS  NOW TOO, IS A LIAR’S, A  COWARD’S, A HIRELING’S  FALSE COP OUT, A FALSE EXCUSE FIRSTLY NOT TO REALLY REPENT OF ONE ‘S PERSONAL SINS, FOR ONE NOT TO REALLY FOLLOW AFTER GOD AND HIS WILL FOR THEM, AND FOR ONE FALSELY NOT TO BE CULTURALLY ANDS SOCIALLY INVOLVED IN DEALING WITH THE EVIL  OF THIS WORLD, HOPING TO AVOID PERSECUTING FROM THE JEWS AS WELL BY NOT ASKING THEM TO REPENT, OR TO SEE THEIR NEED OF ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR MESSIAH, SAVIOR. TRULY A DIABOLICAL THEOLOGY.
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So it is not surprising it also was created by a too  typical  bad lawyer  too now.
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 (Deu 11:14 KJV)  That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
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(Job 29:23 KJV)  And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.

(Prov 16:15 KJV)  In the light of the king’s countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of the latter rain.

(Jer 3:3 KJV)  Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore’s forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

(Joel 2:23 KJV)  Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

(Zec 10:1 KJV)  Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

(James 5:7 KJV)  Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
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Imagine trying to build a whole theological central base  on a few isolated Bile texts too now and  now today, even Jacob and the Brethren too, so he Jacob – Israel who tried to get God’s blessing by deceit with the help of others is still at it today, refusing to admit that the blessings of God now, today, forever are only in, and  through Jesus Christ the Messiah, he is trying to steal his own salvation and the promsied land now.
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(Gen 27:19 KJV)  And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn; I have done according as thou badest me: arise, I pray thee, sit and eat of my venison, that thy soul may bless me.
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 The dispensationalist’s claims  implicitly does involve  them, God in duplicity and Christ in deception and thus no way can they be acceptable works of any REAL, professing Christians
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There are many people, pastors, so called leaders, who because of various reasons have never received the fullness of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the second blessings , and thus they do not even know that they are out of touch with God and the holy Spirit.They are still carnal, use their own human reasons, understandings, or listen to other carnal persons to obtain their often still false, corrupted spiritual understandings True spiritual understanding is a direct revelation from the Holy Spirit, with whom they have no contact even. https://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/
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It is ludicrous,. really absurd that some people will still falsely claim they are Experts  on the Holy Spirit, Baptism of the Holy Spirit, praying, speaking in toungues too, a personal  experience they still  have never even had..
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The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is also referred to as, “the second blessing.”  where the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an additional experience that we must seek after we are saved, rather than the initial  one most people we receive with salvation. So in that case, the baptism with the Holy Spirit would be a SECOND BLESSING. Most real Pentecostal and Charismatic people do believe that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a second blessing – one received in addition to salvation. They believe that you can be saved, and be indwelt by Christ — but that this is not ALL that God has for most us. You thus must go on to receive POWER, gifts, and an overflow. This, to them, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the so-called, “second blessing.” The reasons most people did not receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit at Salvation was they were ignorant of it, they did not accept Jesus Christ fully as the sole Lord of their life at salvation. Their salvation  is more of an intellectual salvation not a fully experiential salvation.. If you still personally must receive a second blessing to receive ALL that God wants to give us, then you do NOT receive all when you receive Christ. Thus, this means that it is entirely possible to be saved but LACK everything that goes with this, “second blessing.”  Which most often is the case. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/disspensationalists-are-false-christians/

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It seems strange to me that the Lord would not reveal, by the Holy Spirit, a teaching which the end-time prophets of today preach as a foundational dogma and a forgone conclusion. Not until 1831 was this “new truth” revealed and not until the 20th century was it popularized. How is it that the Apostles and the Early Fathers overlooked such an important eschatological event? Why is it not clearly spelled out in the Scriptures? The obvious answer is this: THE DOCTRINE KNOWN AS THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH DOES NOT EXIST! Like all other heresies it was and is the invention of men, not the teaching of the Church. Rather than listen to the doctrines of men, let us pay extremely close attention to our Lord’s own words in the Gospels.  When Jesus taught His Apostles about His glorious 2nd coming, these are the words He used: “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Matthew 24:27)”. In the book of Acts, St. Luke tells us that when Jesus ascended into heaven, and the Apostles were gazing upward as the Lord rose among the clouds, two men in white apparel (presumed to be angels) said these words: “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven (Acts 1:11)”. We are told here in Holy Scripture that exactly in the same way Jesus ascended into heaven He will return to earth. In other words, He will return in the clouds in the sky. That description doesn’t sound like a “secret catching away” but rather a dynamic 2nd coming!  To be sure, there will be a catching away of the saints on earth but this happens at the last trumpet sound (Revelation 11:15). Writing to the Christians in Thessalonica, St. Paul tells us what the 2nd coming (Greek- parousia) is like. “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18)”. The same words are used here to describe the catching up of Christians as is used to describe the 2nd coming of the Lord. Both occur in the clouds, in the air, and everyone on earth sees it happen. In other words, the so-called Rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ will happen at the same time. . Perhaps the most vivid picture of our Lord’s 2nd coming to earth is found in the words of St. John the Apostle. In the book of Revelation he writes: “Behold, He cometh with clouds and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, amen (Revelation 1:7)”. Far from believing that the Lord will return “secretly” to rapture the Church 7 years before His 2nd coming, St. John says that every human being on earth will see the Lord descend from the clouds. Once again, here are the words of the Nicene Creed, the symbol and statement of faith for all Christians: “He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kindgom shall have no end.” The 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus Christ shall be in glory, not in secret. Then the Prince of Peace shall establish true peace, joy, and righteousness on the earth; “For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea (Habakkuk 2:14)”.

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Most dispensationalists still do   take isolated verse and twist them to suit what they want others to believe still especially the false Dispensationalists http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/most-people-do-take-isolated-verse-and-twist-them/

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Dispensationalism is basically false and it is the  method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies of  Israel and the Church. It also unacceptably tries falsely to explain away  the relevance of the gifts of the holy spirit today.  It is not a coincident that too many  Dispensationalists do also oppose the work of the   HOLY SPIRIT today as well, HIS Charismatic GIFTS NOW TOO.  Evangelical Dispensationalists do also still tend to be trying to earn a great spot in heaven by their own good works, saving others, following the teaching of men, an evil spirit, and not the Holy Spirit rather.. http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus/

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(Isa 30:1 KJV) Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

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Some persons  recognize and treasure all born again believers who operate within a dispensational framework as brothers and sisters in Christ. whereas IN FACT IN ANY CHURCH IT SEEMS ONLY 30 PERCENT OF THE PERSONS AT THE MOST ARE REAL, BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BRETHREN CHURCHES TOO
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However, we must remember that Paul loved his fellow apostle Peter and esteemed him the senior and more honored of the two of them. Nevertheless, when it came to a point of theology that had profound implications for the purity and health of the Church, Paul was constrained by his love for Christ and the Truth publicly to withstand Peter to his face. (Galatians 2:11)
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Therefore,  out of love  Like the Bereans nearly two thousand years ago, let us “search the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things are so.”
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Speaking of men,,
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James Barr states: But whatever may be said about its creativity, when it is considered as a statement of Christian truth…it can scarcely be doubted that dispensational doctrine is heretical and should be counted as such, if the term ‘heresy’ is to have any meaning. If dispensationalism is not heresy, then nothing is heresy (Ibid., p.588).
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Of the Scofield Reference Bible, John Wick Bowman says, “This book represents the most dangerous heresy currently to be found within Christian circles” (Ibid., p.588).
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John H. Gerstner, in his 1991 book, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism, states emphatically and without mincing words:
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What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation….If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say that it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation (p.150).
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Ernest Reisinger states in his article, “A History of Dispensationalism in America”:  All honest Dispensationalists would agree that the Dispensational system of theology has a different view of the grace of God, the law of God, the church of God, the interpretation of the Word of God and the salvation of God. That is, its teachings are different from tested, respected historic creeds and confessions …. Dispensationalism has a different view of living the Christian life of sanctification and, more specifically, how justification and sanctification are inseparably joined together in the application of God’s salvation (p.3)
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See also “The John Darby Versionn: Dispensationally Manipulated.” http://libertytothecaptives.net/darby_version_corrupt_methodically.html

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Of special interest to some might be Cyrus Scofield’s blatant occult marking on his 1917 Reference Bible. Scofield associated the cross of Jesus Christ with at-one-ment. http://libertytothecaptives.net/scofield_at-one-ment.html

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Like John Darby, Scofield the adulterer, convicted fellon, had removed damned, damnation and hell from the Bible: http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_removed_damned.html

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But what had really surprised me most of all besides how they the Plymouth Brethren do falsely  abuse others is as to how many Brethren preachers actually lie, practice deceit,  and it is so easy to find it too, when you look for it, and do start to verify everything they say, write  too to determine now whether what was said it is so, true or false , even as per the Bible.
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When a Brethren preacher is even trying to justify the Brethren belief and puts something ridiculous like this in writing.. “Most Conservative scholars agree with him”.. the term “Most conservative scholars” means nothing, that is so vague of a useless, false  generalization now still too, and in reality most of them do not agree even with each other to start off, dispensationalist ones included.. for not only do they they rather rarely agree or  have the same views, beliefs on dispensationalist, the whole Bible too but in fact since the early days the Brethren undeniably have often had church fights, splits not just over dispensational points, but over now many other issues too. The only thing we can agree in unity, harmony  is that they often do serioulsy disgree with each other, others too.
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Or when the Brethren preacher continues  the Brethren deceits,  distortions by saying.. the Brethren believe only in 5 in simple doctrines, and firstly what did he fall out of a tree and damage his brains? By their own admissions often it seems you need many many commentaries, dictionaries, books, knowledge of the Greek, theological degrees, and loads and loads of explanations.. to try to basically, simply grasp what Dispensationalist means and next also what their version of Prophecy   means .. and loads of work even now to try to grasp if Brethrenism  itself is even at all Biblical now too. Thier beliefs now are Plain and Simple? never, not by a long shot.
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There are several basic, ground rules in proper Bible interpretation that must be followed by all persons now  before anyone even attempts to fully study the Holy Scripture. The first rule is pray and ask the Holy spirit to guide you, to teach you.. not rather self, mere men or women.. we should seek first and not last the Holy Spirit for illumination. The Holy Spirit wants to share the treasures of God’s Word with those who rightfully do esteem Him. The most important principle to remember in studying God’s Word is that it can only be understood with the help of the Holy Spirit.  Those who approach the Bible without the Holy Spirit to teach them, may gain some insight into truths, their lives, but also  will receive no definite, permanent, important life-changing revelation.  Bible Commentaries should be used only very sparingly if at  all. Even the most anointed man or woman, preacher  of God clearly still can be wrong, biased, have a hidden agenda, limited, (or just shallow) in their understanding or interpretation of certain Bible topics, subjects. Do not believe any man or women, rather solely Take God’s word for it.
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While the Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too  clearly do have this unholy, desperate and complicated need to reinterpret almost every  passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking.
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Dispensationalism  had it’s origination among the Plymouth Brethren in the early 1830’s. The  father of dispensationalism, John Nelson Darby, educated as a lawyer and ordained Anglican priest, was one of the  chief founders of the Plymouth Brethren movement, which arose in reaction against the perceived empty formalism  of the Church of England. Next  Dispensationalists have long been rightfully accused of teaching multiple methods of salvation. Dispensationalists FALSELY  view  Israel and the church as having distinct eternal destinies. Israel will receive an eternal earthly Kingdom, and the  church an eternal heavenly Kingdom. In contrast, Christian theology has always maintained the essential continuity of Israel and the church. The elect  of all the ages are seen as one people, one sole   Church now, with one Savior, one destiny, Heaven..
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The Plymouth Brethren Dispensationalists movement itself has constituted a radical even a false change from the historic teachings of Christianity. James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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So they are dead now even on two accounts.. Denying the present role, works of the Holy Spirit, and their lack of good works by faith, their unloving acts towards the others.
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Dispensationalists, Brethren do now falsely  deny the “second blessing” , a personal religious Holy Spirit experience after which the believer is set aside for, equipped by God for life.
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The Brethren with all of their supposedly  Biblical Studies Foundation, Bible studies, or actually Bible passages reinterpretations do say that the teachings of the Charismatic and Pentecostal Movement are false and that “The major doctrine the Pentecostals and Charismatics is that they  do not understand is the supposed fact that Christians are not in the Old Testament times, but live in now a different dispensation ” as defined by the Brethren alone.. You falsely have to go by, play by, live now by  the new Brethren, man made   rules, interpretations, standards and not God’s.
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The Brethren boasted, from their very beginning in the nineteenth century, that their teachings represented a wide departure from the doctrines of their predecessors and contemporaries. So it was not surprisingly the Brethren movement was  both refuted and rejected  rightfully now by the majority of professing real Christians even todate where the realted dispensationalism rightfully  is something to be avoided like the plague.
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In reality, and undeniably  those persons who do not go along with them, do not support them they the Brethren, even  due to their own insecurities, do declare war against them, ostracize them, slander them, lie about them, divorce them too. All unacceptable and very ungodly, un Christ like , carnal behavior on their parts still too.
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Their false doctrine of the separation of Israel and the Church, the foundation of dispensationalism, can be clearly seen for what it is, false, by anyone who has a knowledgeable grasp of the New Testament. It is those persons ignorant of the scriptures, those persons  not in their Bibles who are the ones so easily deceived by them still too.
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Dispensationalists  it seems to compensate for their often rejections by even main stream Christianity believe in a negative view of the Gospel of Jesus Christ where  “this present world system . . . is now controlled by Satan” (not by God) and will end in failure and apostasy.  As opposed to the beliefs of the many Pentecostals Christians who believe in a positive  that the climax of earth will be characterized by Christians doing greater and greater things as result of being empowered by the Holy Spirit. To the Pentecostal “saints,”  the appearance of “Pentecostal” phenomena (for example, visions, dreams, prophecy, glossolalia, and other charismatic gifts)  confirmed that what the Old Testament prophet Joel had foretold about the “latter rain” outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the end times ( Joel 2: 28-29) was being fulfilled simultaneously in other parts of the world.  As one songwriter put it, “The latter rain has come, / Upon the parched ground . . . The whole wide world around.”
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“and a wonderful discovery that a long controverted point is now settled; the unpardonable sin is declared to be speaking against the Darbyites.” C. H. Spurgeon whom himself was lied about, slandered, bashed by the Brethren.
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Rev George Muller, famous founder of the Bristol orphanage, was one of the best-known early Plymouth Brethren figures . Mr. Muller also had a public falling-out with Darby.  Those who sympathized with Darby became the “Closed Brethren” and those who sided with Muller were known as “Open Brethren.” The two strains of Brethrenism endure even today. A  It was Rev George Mueller who had introduced D L Moody to the Plymouth Brethren, and it seems when George Muller of Bristol came up against the Dispensationalist doctrines of the Brethren movement, he severed all connection with it.
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The dispensationalists falsely divided the whole Scriptures in terms of categories of people: Jew, Gentile, and Christian. Where Chafer taught that the only Scriptures addressed specifically to Christians  were the gospel of John, Acts, and the Epistles! Pettengill taught that the Great Commission was for the Jews only. Scofield taught  that the Lord’s prayer was a Jewish prayer and ought not be recited  by Christians. Along with much of the New Testament, the Old  Testament was described as “not for today.”  Christian.” Christians were even falsely now mocked by them as legalists for believing  in the Ten Commandments!  This  false segmentation of the Bible makes dispensationalism a cult.

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The Open Brethren, Plymouth brethren  simply and with limitations  affirms the Bible as the inerrant Word of God; the Trinity; the depravity of man, and the necessity of salvation by grace through faith; the church is  composed of all true believers ( Brethren only)  in Jesus Christ; two ordinances, baptism by immersion and the Lord’s Supper; the security of the believer (once a person is truly a child of God, that status is secure for all time); and pretribulation premillennialism (that is, Christ will return before the tribulation and before the millennium.)  Brethren assemblies (independent congregations) are usually led by locally appointed elders recognized by the local congregation. Assemblies tend also celebrate a weekly communion service, at which only approved Members, appointed men only  are encouraged to speak or pray. Women are clearly not allowed to participate. Fellowship with like-minded Christians  such  as InterVarsity Fellowship  are rare   acceptance  as a  part of  evangelicalism , and very characteristic of Brethren they forbid, and  do not fellowship with other Christians such as Catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals, Charismatic’s, etc., for whom they seem to have no use for. Tend to declare war on them too.

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Dispensationalists it seems to compensate for their often rejections seem to like to bash the Catholics. Charismatic, Pentecostal Christians  too now. The seem to be a english speaking white man’s club too.

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I have even been blogging on the net for decades  and surprisingly It has now been too often the bad brethren, the bad professing Christians, also it has been bad pastors who have been wrongfully the most abusive towards me and my posts.. jealousy seems to still control them sadly too. Even the false apostle Judas was part of the 12 apostles
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Dispensational theology is an intricate web of deceit with various teachings.
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“A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth”  (Proverbs 14:6)

 
The Dispensationalist , Plymouth  Brethren false views on sins, accountability, grace, Israel and much more too is an undeniable fact even if they lie and try falsey to say it is Authentic Christianity, or the Good News, the Gospel, that for sure it is not! In the Western  world today, too many Brethren Christians dare not walk openly or share their faith “for fear of the Jews” and others , but not all of them. (Prov 28:1 KJV)  The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/the-revisionists/
 
Plymouth Brethren it seems they  like to hide from what they really are and teach..  They say the want to be known as the  “No Name Christian Church”, but they are often called  “PB Church”, “PBer’s”, “The Brethren Church”, “Darbyites” and such like.  The history books often refer to them as Plymouth Brethren or those who started the Plymouth Brethren movement.  This Plymouth Brethren label came to be used in the early 1800s because an assembly of Christians gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Plymouth England had a number of gifted preachers that traveled and preached throughout the country and because they were from the town of Plymouth, people would often refer to them as one of those brethren from Plymouth.
 
While the Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word of God, they too  clearly do have this unholy, desperate and complicated need to reinterpret almost every  passages of the Bible suitable to their own liking. It is impossible to give a concise, succinct definition of Dispensationalism today because of the many changes among dispensational teachers. There is more than one view of Dispensationalism today. Therefore, the old definition found in the Scofield Bible is no longer accurate or adequate: “A dispensation is a period of time during which a man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God” (Scofield Reference Bible, p. 5, note 4 )so  it is impossible to give a concise and succinct definition of Dispensationalism, and if Darby, Scofield, or even Chafer were to return today, they would be bewildered by the widely divergent stances of those still called dispensationalists. So clearly Dispensationalism cannot be defined as a return to the new testament biblical, beliefs, doctrines any longer too. “Darby and many others Brrthren had held that the church of God would escape the days of the end [i.e., the days of the great tribulation]; Newton, Tregelles, George Müller, and others believed the church will go through that period; R. C. Chapman, Groves, and Lady Powerscourt thought that not all believers will share in the first resurrection and the millennial kingdom…. “

Because of the dogmatic insistence of Darby and his followers that others heed their instructions, which they felt to be the Spirit’s leading, they reaped divisions in abundance

Too many relgious groups who still do  teach unacceptable falsehoods try to proclaim also that they are real Christians other wise who would even listen to them ,even their false Gospel of the dispensational method of interpretation of the Bible. Yes  many other relgious groups falsey also try to say that they are Christians now including the clearly  false cults of Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah Witnesses, and the other even once called real Christians Churches who have basically departed from  the  true faith in Jesus Christ such as the  Anglican, the Catholics, Mennonites and some of the others too.

The false churches and Cults are classic experts in brainwashing techniques.  Jehovah’s Witnesses is another cult that uses brainwashing techniques with great success. Any member who dares to leave the organization is shunned by close family members, and this intimidation is as intense as one can possibly imagine. Divorce,  isolation,  Shunning is a masterful false bondage technique.

Another false group are the Messianic Jews. The modern day Judaizers in the Christian church are those in the “Torah Keeper” movement. Many Christian churches falsely teach that the old testament Commandments also do apply today. This false doctrine of theirs is not  baffling since they want to falsely keep and exalt their old culture, cultural beliefs, and are not willing to pay the price to follow after Jesus Christ alone,  and all of the  Scripture written by the Apostle Paul for the church today is clearly against it too. They come up with twisted explanations and they clearly also now do  fall into false teaching. They falsely believe that legalism is the only method possible for a person to resist a sinful lifestyle. These church Pastors, Ministers and Reverends ignore the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit in the born again believer. The Apostle Paul taught that legalism is doomed to failure. Submitting to the guidance of the Holy Spirit actually fulfills the requirements of the ritual, sacrificial Law too. Legalistic preachers typically don’t accept repentance from members in the church. The repentant member is simply kicked out no matter what he does. This unbiblical practice of expecting all members to be perfectly sinless leads to denial of sin throughout the congregation. The denial of sin results in a sinful pride, a pattern of lying and a refusal to admit or repent of anything.  All legalists lead people away from the gospel and away from Christ by focusing on their legalistic false doctrines and works instead of the gospel.”

Dispensationalists like also to  teach that all who place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ are immediately placed by the Holy Spirit into one united spiritual body, the Church, because  they not only want to corrupt, influence other Christians it would be unthinkable for them to admit they have false doctrines, and can be rightfully excluded from the true believers in Jesus Christ.

Dispensational theology breaks Scripture into separate parts (really into separate revelations), each applicable for a limited time and a limited audience. The growth of DISPENSATIONALISM coincided with a break  away church that supported  a supposedly changing, accommodating, developing God.  Dispensationalists denies the contractual  covenant  duties of the people of God. Dispensationalists holds that the complete Old Testament was no longer binding. DISPENSATIONALISM also falsely teach that the teachings of the  the New testament Gospels are not binding to any Christians because they rather pertain to the future. Dispensationalists falsely also say Christ’s death was His alternative  plan “B” after the Jewish people rejected His attempt to establish His earthly Kingdom, and that He will come back and try it again later. Dispensationalists also falsely try to  tells the true church that we are in a parenthesis, a holding period, until Christ returns to set up His Jewish Kingdom and Israel is the center fold of the Bible.. While Jesus himself had said my kingdom is not of this world.. DISPENSATIONALISM  was, and is a false foundation on which the believers in the church can only be led astray from the truth of God, and his word to us.

The three general views of Dispensationalism:

-There is what is called hyper-Dispensationalism. One of their distinctives is the teaching that the Church did not begin until the middle of the Book of Acts.

-There are those who are called classical dispensationalists. C.I. Scofield, Lewis Sperry Chafer and others of the old school would come under this designation. They held that Israel is on earth and the Church is in heaven and the twain shall never meet.

-The neo-dispensationalist view is promoted by such leaders as Charles C. Ryrie, Dwight Pentecost and Zane Hodges. They hold that the Church and Israel shall come together after the millennium. They differ from the old dispensationalists, in that they teach that saints in the Old Testament were saved by faith.

Each of these views has many distinctives and differences from the others, and it is not at all a basic, simple, straightforward, unified belief,  Gospel as the Brethren try too often to mislead others to believe in too.

While the Plymouth Brethren even say they Believe the Bible is the Word they have clearly seem to like to eradicate, explain away the Bible references to personal  judgement, reaping, sins, Hell, damnation, and I often still do wonder why? what are they hiding? are fearful of? the real truth? It is true that there have been many dispensationalists who have not embraced selective-resurrection or chastisement at the judgment seat.

Most Christians  still don’t seem to realize that because of Israel’s disobedience, God is finished with national Israel. Let’s look at what Jesus had to say to the nation of Israel:

Matthew 21:18-19  Now in the morning, when He returned to the city, He became hungry. 19 And seeing a lone fig tree by the road, He came to it, and found nothing on it except leaves only; and He said^ to it, “No longer shall there ever be any fruit from you.” And at once the fig tree withered.

In reality  The Church Is the full replacement for Israel Now. That   sums up the heart of real, valid theology, that the Christian church is heir of the promises to and the responsibility of the Hebrew nation of old. When God blessed Abraham in Genesis 22:17—18, He promised: “[T]hy seed shall posses the gate of his enemies.” In Matthew 16:18, after Peter confessed faith in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, Christ said, “[U]pon this rock [this profession of faith] I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Abraham’s seed was promised the gate of his enemies, and then Christ promised His church they would occupy the gates erected by hell itself. Another aspect of that promise to Abraham was that in Him all nations would be blessed. That blessing is Jesus Christ and His salvation. But who is now commanded to teach and baptize “all nations” in the Great Commission? The church, the people of Jesus Christ, who are heirs of Abraham’s faith.

There is a great disagreement within Christiandom as to who the “Israel of God” is. Does this refer to the nation Israel or to the Church of Jesus Christ? How you answer this question is very important. If you are going to understand the Bible and its promises, you must understand who “Israel” is. What we believe influences how we behave. What Christian leaders teach about the Jews and Arabs influences how Christians view the events unfolding in the Middle East. I also believe that there is a direct connection between the church’s view of Israel and terrorism.  A wrong view of Israel   affects  the  foreign policy negatively  also. Because of the even  false Dispensationalism and the false  Christian Zionism, most American Christians believe that we have a biblical mandate to stand with and protect Israel in spite of any of the unacceptable bad things Israel itself now does too The Dispensationalist, as well as the Zionist, falsely believes that the nation of Israel is still God’s chosen people, the sole inheritors of God’s promises, and that to be a part of Israel, one must be of the proper lineage and nationality.  Zionism is not a Christian Movement but a political movement built on the belief that the Jewish people still do deserve by right to possess all of the land of Palestine . Israel too as their own. Christian Zionism is essentially a Christian prophetic support for Zionism; seeing the modern state of Israel, and the equivalent of the old testament biblical Israel. Christian Identity teaches a similar idea that Israel is actually composed of the descendants of the ten “lost tribes” that became the Anglo-Saxon and Germannic peoples. According to this view, to be a part of “Israel,” one must be of this fleshly lineage.  There is absolutely no new testament reverences, verses of support for any of this This is all unbiblical per the New testament now as well, for, just as with Dispensationalism, the emphasis is placed upon the flesh and temporal, instead of upon the Spirit and the eternal. Put another way, according to these systems of doctrine, the focus is taken from the cross of Jesus Christ, and is instead placed upon the merits of man. And that makes it all false too. http://www.preteristplanet.com/id79.html

There are too many false evangelical religious groups  who try to seduce others by their false MISLEADING STATEMENTS.
 
When someone one says to me, others, on the net that they believe the Bible is the word of God, they believe Jesus is God and He is an equal  part of the Trinity, they believe in the Holy spirit now as being a person as well,  but they next do  deny falsely the existence of the the Holy Spirit’s  spiritual, charismatic gifts, they now are still lying, falsely  playing on words, because you cannot accept Jesus Christ and reject the Holy Spirit and his gifts. The Holy Spirt is the Spirit  of Christ. Thus they really are not Christians, for how could the Holy Spirit now be even guiding them and leading them into all truth when they cannot be led by him into these basics even.. rather they are being led by the devil, others, mere men, and not God undeniably still too.

The hypocritical  Plymouth brethren falsely want to maintain that they are Christians,  a part of the Body of Christ Universal , when it is also clearly undeniable they are nor only the the dispensationalists. Plymouth brethren  and the   dispensationalists, Plymouth brethren   also falsely do  bash, try to discredit, do abuse the Pentecostal Christians who they falsely  claim now are not even Christian. Not one persons in decade has even rightfully showed me why I am not a Christian even though I am also a Pentecostal one too now.

Dispensationalists who now say that salvation is wholly of God by grace on the basis of the redemption of Jesus Christ, the merit of His shed blood, and not on the basis of human merit or works falsely exclude any future personal; accountably too.

The brethren falsely  would like us to belief that even the en commandments are not applicable to us today, and yet James judges the belief, the applicable faith  of other supposedly Christians by them still too.
 
James 2:5  Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 6  But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? 7  Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? 8  If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9  But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11  For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12  So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13  For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath showed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment. 14  What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15  If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16  And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17  Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
(Mat 19:16 KJV)  And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20  The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
 
Instead of rightfully here too taking Jesus words at face value, like they do with too many things, the Brethren have their own false re explanations, interpretations..
 
(Gal 6:7 KJV)  Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
(Gal 6:8 KJV)  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
(Gal 6:9 KJV)  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
 
(Gal 6:10 KJV)  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

The rather first Christian dispensationalist we seem to tend to know is the heretic Apostle Judas even one of the 12 original Apostles

(Mat 13:22 KJV)  He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

(Mark 4:19 KJV)  And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

(John 8:23 KJV)  And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

(John 18:36 KJV)  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

(1 Cor 1:20 KJV)  Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

(1 Cor 2:6 KJV)  Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

(1 Cor 3:19 KJV)  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

(1 Cor 7:31 KJV)  And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

(2 Cor 4:4 KJV)  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

(Eph 2:2 KJV)  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

(Eph 6:12 KJV)  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

(Rev 11:15 KJV)  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

(Rev 1:5 KJV)  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

(Rev 19:10 KJV)  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

(Rev 22:16 KJV)  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

(Rev 22:20 KJV)  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

(Rev 22:21 KJV)  The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 I also came to the conclusion that the King James Bible is the best version available in the English language today for Bible study, easy reference too. The Bible publishing world is presently involved in a high stakes monetary race to come out with, so called, “newer and better” versions of the English Bible. And, what is their motive? There are countless versions of the English Bible on store shelves today. Is the English language changing so fast that we need a newer translation than the one that came out last month or last year? I think not. They seem to like to push  a different doctrine, and have just as many errors next  it seems as they one they had originally claimed to try to correct. 

I also do believe that God inspired the original writings of the Bible, which are called the autographa. There are many verses that teach this. Here are two key verses that I want you to see…
 
The more important Question is, do you and I really believe it is the word of God or are you looking for another Bible  translation to justify some of your immoral acts, and/or wrong beliefs still too?!

2 Peter 1:20-21 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation (that is, they did not originate with man). 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

But, there is also the matter of verbal preservation of the apographa (copies of the originals). I believe that God has preserved His Words in the copies of those original writings in the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament and the Traditional Text (Textus Receptus) of the New Testament.

I have FAITH that the God who inspired the original autographs can and did preserve the apographs so that we can say, “Thus saith the Lord; This IS the Word of God” when we hold up our King James Bibles.

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In the Pentecostal churches. the biggest distinction setting them apart from the other Protestant churches is their practice of speaking in tongues as a sign of anointing and “Baptism in the Holy Spirit” – a special experience following salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service.. Yes the Assemblies of God churches teach that the initial physical evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues, as experienced on the Day of Pentecost in the book of Acts and in the Epistles.

Another distinct practice of Pentecostals is the laying of hands, for Holy Spirit empowering and the “miraculous healing” by the power of the Holy Spirit. As the same faith in Jesus Christ that saves also can heal the person but there are no documented cases of visibly evident healing like restored limbs, or restored teeth, since one reaps also what one sows. The divine healing of the sick is a privilege for all real Christians today and is provided for in Christ’s atonement.

Other rightful Fundamental Beliefs, Truths
– They believe that any believers can fall from grace as a result of persistent, unrepentant sin or choose to go to hell by their own free will.
– All of the Scriptures are inspired by God.
-They believe there is One True God revealed in three persons.
– They believe in the the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.
– They believe in man willingly fell into sin – ushering in evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.
– They believe every person can be restored to fellowship with God through accepting Christ’s offer of forgiveness and salvation.
– They believe in Water Baptism by immersion after salvation,
– They believe in the Holy Communion as a symbolic remembrance of Christ’s suffering and death for our salvation.
– They believe in t the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a special experience following salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service.
– They believe in the the initial evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues as experienced on the Day of Pentecost.
– They believe in the sanctification initially occurs at Salvation, but is also a progressive lifelong process.
– They believe in the church has a mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin.
– They believe in the a divinely called and God ordained leadership ministry serves the church.
– They believe in a New Jerusalem, a new heavens and a new earth that Christ is preparing for all people who have accepted Him.
– They believe in the Blessed Hope when Jesus openly not in secret raptures his church upon his return to Earth.
– They believe i in the millennial reign of Christ when Jesus returns with his saints at his second coming and begins his rule over earth for 1,000 years.
– They believe in the in a final judgment for those who have rejected Christ which is hell.
– They believe in the physical ressurrection of the dead, resurrection of our original earthly bodies in heaven

Do see also

http://postedat.wordpress.com/?s=dispensationalists

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-false-dispensationalists-dispensationalism/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/zionism-zionists/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-pentecostal-movement/

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/too-often-false-bash-of-pentacostals-healers/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/

http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/sole-gospel/

https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/what-does-the-word-chosen-mean-in-the-bible/

http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/jews-arabs-none-of-them-politically-correct/

http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/

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September 17, 2008

I have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are deceitful..

 

Bad Preachers, ” Spiritual deceivers are spiritual gigolos coming between Me and My Bride the Church.  They are trying to force My redeemed ones back under a dead Law, to whom they are no longer married.  They are spiritual butchers with surgical instruments who want only to “circumcise”  the gullible with just a “little bit” of My Law to cut off “just a little bit of their liberty”….  Preachers forever strive to “bring you under submission”. That seems to be oh, so spiritual, but what they really want is to bring you under bondage to be their slaves.  But beware of bowing your necks to preachers to allow them to put that yoke of bondage upon you ever again.  ” http://banpreachergreed.tripod.com/id74.html

 
 
I have now personally learned decades and decades ago that most of the Brethren Baptists  are liars also deceitful, nasty, abusive and really unacceptably bad.. they falsely are control freaks, who falsely love to practice divorce, even the silent treatment to those who do not  give them what they want..
do now see also  the postings on the topic of Control freaks  in http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/
 
 

One of the best way to catch fish, suckers  is to use a snared hook, loaded with live bait. Many Many bad  preachers do use do use genuine live bait, a genuine sounding doctrine, truth  but adding a lie, a hook  also,  to the unsuspecting  naieve person, the bad preacher now telling them, guaranteeing them a  Divine Appointment,  that he will next share with them, and will tell them only the whole truth.. even all now based solely on the solid rock of the preserved Word of God, even as God himself now opens doors for me to touch the lives of others, and WOW, Unbelievable, and sadly YES too often that is true.. suckers are caught with a hook.. in churches, on TV too,   Unbelievable..  all occurring  sadly of course by the PRESENTER, AUTHOR, bad preacher  unacceptably neglecting to tell them all beforehand about the hidden lies, the false snares, hooks of course!!!  

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The false hooks of mere man’s interpretations, mere men’s teachings and not God’s now as well.. a false detour, deviation actually next from the real truth in the Bible, even from the Holy Sprit’s personal teachings now to, all made now to make sure you will never see  God’s whole truths.  Mind you and do note how how really subtle the devil is here now too. Not surprisingly the devil also now uses  the same techniques when he uses the Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses,  and others to get you hooked on their distortions, lies, reinterpretations too..

I too now have learned decades and decades ago that the Brethren are most often  deceitful in their evangelical outreach, presentations.. meaning that they speak with a forked tongue, and meaning they generally are not straightforward and honest, immediately forthcoming what they really believe in, who they really are now firstly too, and so we all have to beware of them.. and now I have known much too many of them  too..  and I had next found just a few of them that were really honest, Christians, only a very, very  small portion.

When I look at a new professing Christian site  such as vision20twenty   and it makes the typical general  proclamations that they will next guide and lead us into all truth, and only will offer the whole truth, and that they are also non denominational, real Christians, who now do promote now only the Bible and nothing more than that  and   based on my past encounters, experiences now  I can most often be rest assured they are mere wolves in sheep clothing, the  false Brethren with their false  dispensational doctrines… including now http://vision20twenty.org/ where” God gave man a new dispensation (stewardship) of truth”

There are few Dispensationalist who do even agree with each other, who do even believe in most of the same things, many falsely as well do not accept the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit, or the present existence of the of 5 fold New testament Biblical Ministry offices of Ephesians.

 

(Mat 19:21 KJV)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.       
(Luke 6:40 KJV)  The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.    
 

 

(John 17:23 KJV)  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

(Rom 12:2 KJV)  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
(Gal 3:3 KJV)  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(Eph 4:13 KJV)  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
(Rev 3:2 KJV)  Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Do see http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/subtle-but-still-false-counterfeit/

(Acts 20:29 KJV)  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
(Acts 20:30 KJV)  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
(Acts 20:31 KJV)  Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
(Acts 20:32 KJV)  And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
(Acts 20:33 KJV)  I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.
(Acts 20:34 KJV)  Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
(Acts 20:35 KJV)  I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
(2 Tim 3:2 KJV)  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
(2 Tim 3:3 KJV)  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
(2 Tim 3:4 KJV)  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
(2 Tim 3:5 KJV)  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
(2 Tim 3:6 KJV)  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
(2 Tim 3:7 KJV)  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

That last line is now  really true..

 IT IS NOW MORE  RARE BUT I DO ALSO NOW STILL GET BULLIED BY RELIGIOUS BULLIES, ABUSERS TOO..  
  
The WRONGFULLY STILL Unrepentant  bully’s problem is that he or she is one of those bad persons  who only feels truly alive when voicing hostility and contempt for his “enemies.” Without that, he or she starts gasping for air. It’s his nature.. self-destructive” ..  clearly these immoral  Bully, Basher of others, Abusers of others has a disappointed, deflated ego, negative self worth,  most likely related to past unresolved guilt, as a result  of  that   the bully, he or she, tries falsely to   build  their ego up by bashing, hating others, by being an antagonists against  his proclaimed enemies, which too often also  is most people , for  he or she no longer trust anyone, and Abusers this is a common very typical approach, fact in the character build up of Bullies, Bashers, but their approach is futile, the subsequent feeling of self worth dissipates too quickly, are actually replaced by guilt,  and his ego, self worth likely needs to be recharged with new hate.. and is replaced with more and larger hatred of the others.  I have seen this type of wrong behavior not just in bad managers, bad politicians, bad persons, but  in alcoholics, and most often in Albertan rednecks ,but also  in religious   fundamentals evangelicals who promote hated towards Pentecostal Christians as well, and  now as well as the crooked pastor wrongfully  fighting for control over others. Public exposure and prosecution of these bad persons here too services everyone’s best interest.

see also

The too common abusive silent treatment
Verbal abuse is always unacceptable too.
Deliberate unforgiveness
Control freaks
More about Control freaks. Fears  
 
Can a person change?   very very unlikley 
 

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/dispensationalists-it-seems-to-compensate-for-their-often-rejections/ 

 

August 2, 2008

Comparative religion’s values

 

While there are some common, rare similarity amongst some of the major religions in this world, The aspect of polygamy, the rigths of divorce is clearly one that contrasts them all.. for a True Christian divorce is not permitted at all.. even if many Christians falsely practice it.
  
Too Many  persons do practice their own version of Christianity, and Islam it seems thus, based on what others have said it says too..
 
It is true that there are many Muslims, men as well as women, who fully do not live up to the teachings of Islam,and the other religions  now just as there are too many Christian men and women who do not live up to the teachings of Jesus, the Apostles, the Bible undeniably.
 
Muslims women themselves now often complain to news editors how they are abused by Muslim men. Muslim Relgion and do not have equal rights to the men, for example the right to go to school in many Muslim countries now too.. Muslims have equal rights to the other citizens in the English speaking countries.. In fact non Muslims do not have the same rights as Muslims in many Muslim countries now too and all of these facts are undeniable, and undisputable.
  
You must always still judge any person  now by what they say, but  by what they do. Bad people do bad things, no matter what their religion is now too.
  
Also real Reform from within Muslim societies is still even needed, first by even education, knowing that over half of Muslims today,  are illiterate, only 15 percent do even know  Arabic, which is the language of the Qur’an, the holy book of Islam. 
 
Note: Sikhism now also like Mormons, Hindus, Jehovah Witnesses, Islam , Buddhism, and many others  too are  a cult, sect  that bears no genuine relationship to Christianity too. It does not follow the Christian Bible too.
  
One cannot help but notice how so many of these religions differ but now they still do claim to be originated with God. A true God is certainly not so confused that he has started all these various, different and false religions.
 

Afghani journalism student Parwiz Kambakhsh has been sentenced to death for blaspheming because he not only downloaded articles regarding woman’s right’s under Islam, but also exposing the brutality against women and children by the local warlords in his community. He is being sentenced to death for “disseminating defamatory comments about Islam.”Say it isn’t soooo? Sounds like another mo-ham-med teddy bear moment to me! A three judge panel decided that his articles were blasphemous and sentenced him to die. That’s Shari’ah Law for you. The issue for this writer is the Islamic concept of blasphemy

For any religion to survive in the modern world, it needs to adapt to its reality, especially when it comes to equality between men and women concerning religious practices. As men and women should worship God in the same way, women should also have the same rights as women in assuming religious responsibilities.
Some persons try to say that Islam has freed them, but did your brothers, father, government free you yet too? or are they still killng, murdering you ?

http://gto7.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/islam-is-truly-satans-religion/

Physical abuse, Human rights abuses, Verbal abuse, silent treatment or being a control freak is also not acceptable even on the net..

Seven reasons why I believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ
 
The resurrection of Jesus Christ is the basis of Christianity. The Apostle Paul stated that if Christ had not been raised from the dead, than all preaching and all teaching of God’s Word would be useless and so would the Christian faith. For this reason, I would like to review seven reasons why I fully believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

1. The historical reality of Jesus Christ is true.
The historicity of Jesus Christ is airtight. We have over 5,000 first century documents pointing to Jesus. The secular Roman historian Josephus mentions Jesus in his first century writings. There is archaeological confirmation, especially in the last 30 years, that verify the historical figures mentioned in the New Testament.

2. The character of Jesus Christ is unquestioned.
Jesus questions the authorities by asking, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” (John 8:46) None of them could prove him guilty – even after painstakingly questioning and investigating him.

3. The works of Jesus Christ went unchallenged.
The works of Christ, especially his miracles, were never disputed by his foes. The religious authorities acknowledged the miracles of Jesus and even made claims that Jesus powers came from the devil.

4. The identity of Jesus was confirmed.
Jesus claimed who he was by saying, “I am the way and the truth and the life.” (John 14:6) God, the Father proclaimed, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” (Mark 9:7) The Apostle Peter said, “You are the Christ”. Even the authorities knew of Jesus’ claim to be God. Granted, these all came from the Bible. However, the most compelling proof is that Jesus the Messiah fulfilled over 700 prophecies of the Old Testament.

5. The death of Jesus was undisputed.
He did not pretend to be dead. The grisly details are recorded of his resurrection, including the fact that a spear was thrust into his side and the Romans did not have to break his legs.

6. The burial of Jesus was public and secure.
He was placed in the tomb of a prominent Jew. The huge stone was set in place and sealed. Roman guards were posted and if they had truly “slept” through the stealing of Jesus’ body, they would have been executed. Besides, would this fearful band of disciples have the nerve to overcome the guards or sneak in to steal the body?

7. The evidence for Jesus’ resurrection is convincing.
The resurrection was predicted by Old Testament prophets. Jesus predicted his death and resurrection several times to his disciples. He appeared over twelve times to over 500 people over a period of forty days. He appeared to Saul, the great persecutor of the early Christians, and his life was transformed. The transformation of Peter from cowering in front of the accusations of a little girl to boldly proclaiming Christ in public and in front of the religious authorities is amazing.

The fact remains that Christians don’t have to throw their brains in the trash can to say that Jesus died and rose again. When you put the evidence in court and the witnesses on the stand, the truth points very solidly in favor of Jesus. What is proclaimed in the Bible is true.

So, what does this mean for us today?

1. The resurrection of Jesus Christ validates the claim that he is the way, the truth and the life.

2. It gives absolute hope for the future. Jesus tells us, “Because I live, you also will live.” (John 14:19) He also says, “In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.” (John 14:2-3)

3. It offers spiritual life right now. By faith, we receive Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit. Our lives our transformed and we are given peace.

You are the jury. You are given the opportunity to accept or reject the evidence. Your response will determine your destiny.

There are certainly skeptics in the world whose goal is to refute the resurrection itself or even the existence of Christ. Even though there is enough evidence strong enough for a truly objective person to consider the truth as stated in God’s Word. So, then why do people still stubbornly reject Jesus’ claim?

We are given a clue in John 3:19. “This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because there deeds were evil.” People reject the truths of the gospel because they love the darkness. The Light of Christ exposes our life. It reveals the fact that we are full of pride and self-centeredness. Our sinful nature exalts our self over a God. The Light tells us to turn from darkness (our self, our pride) and turn to Christ. We turn because we realize that we have a need we can’t possibly fill on our own – not because Christians don’t have good answers to difficult questions.

For all those who are reading this post and have not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, I ask you to come to the Light and receive Christ. For those who already believe, stay strong and do not be afraid or timid to share the truth. Remember, Jesus told us, “I am with you to the very end of the age.”

These thoughts were taken from an excellent series entitled, “Why I Believe” by Chip Ingram.

http://witnesswell.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/seven-reasons-why-i-believe-in-the-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/

 

Do also see

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/sikhism-is-an-independent-religion-and-it-is-not-a-sect-of-islam-or-hinduism/

http://abdoukili.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/religious-inequality/

 http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/as-to-what-is-a-christian/

http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/marriage/

http://groups.msn.com/Jesussayscome  

http://pbulow.tripod.com

http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome

 

July 29, 2008

The 2 Promised Returns of Jews to Israel?

(Mat 23:37 KJV)  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.  24:1  And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple.  2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.  

I do also believe that God divinely still looks after Israel and protects it, but this is never a justification of any of Israel’s past or present acts..  

 
  The 2 Jewish dispersions by the gentiles were both predicted beforehand. One was predicted by the prophet Jeremiah in the Old Testament, and one by Jesus Christ himself in the New Testament. It is important to note that in the first prediction about the dispersions of Israel from their promised land there was a God given promise of their return. It is important to note that in the second prediction about the dispersions of Israel from their promised land there was no  God given promise of their return. There actually is no Biblical promised prophecy, promised second return of the Jews to Israel in the Old Testament or in the whole Bible now too.  after their second  dispersion from Israel by the Romans in 70 ad.. . Not even one Bible verse even  for  the Jewish  return in 1948..  Do try prove me wrong.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/what-the-bible-says-about-israel-and-the-church/
 

At Mount Sinai God told Moses as to how He would proceed to put the children of Israel in possession of their promised inheritance. He would not drive out the inhabitants of the land “in one year”; but He said, “little by little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.” And He God next goes on to say that He would set the bounds of their possession “from the desert unto the river” (Euphrates), and would “deliver the inhabitants of the land” into their hand, and they should “drive them out” before them (Ex. 23:27-31).

Joshua 1:8 … This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

“Behold, I have set the land before you; go in and possess the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them” (Deut. 1:6-8).

“Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours; from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be” (Deut. 11:24).

“And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms, from the river [i.e., the Euphrates] unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt… For he had dominion over all the region on this side of the river, from Tiphsah even to Azzah, over all the kings on this side of the river” (1 Ki. 4:21, 24. See also 2 Chron. 9:26).

And  the above Land promise was duly fulfilled to all of Abraham’s natural “seed,” and the Bible contains clear records of the fact, and the promise in its fullness runs to Abraham’s true “Seed”, all those persons who are in Christ

“For the promise that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith”   Romans 4:13

 “Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham”; Galatians 3:7.

 , “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”  Galatians 3:29

“And ye have this day rejected your God, who Himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations, and ye have said unto Him, Nay, but set a king over us” (1 Sam. 10:17-19).

Now natural Israel has no longer any standing before God, or any part in His future purposes. The New Testament Scriptures makes it now  certain that the national restoration of Israel after the flesh is not a part of the revealed will of God, but that the reverse is true. God regards natural Israel  earthly kingdom with utter detestation, and He will never restore it, Next when John the Baptist preached to the Jewish people, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,” he was not announcing the setting up again of the earthly throne of David for israel as many Jews, some professing Christians  falsely hoped, believe it would happen again.

 

It is unbelievable, undeniable  that the professing Christian people who do not know the Bible can be so easily deceived, led astray too by many others, pastors and Jewish persons, Zionists included.. And had most people most Christians read the Bible for themselves they would have known the whole truth and would not have been  so easily misled by others. 

I really get sick every time I hear preachers such as John Hagee and Jerry Falwell demonize the Arab people, while glorifying the Jews. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/john-hagee%e2%80%99s-israel-heresy/

Too many fundamentals, professing Christians now falsely do that the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 was prophesied in Scripture while there is no direct support of this in the New Testament Bible even still. Zionism, on the other hand, “is a secularist, largely atheistic ideology” that emerged in the late 19th century. God still does not require the human input to fulfill his own prophecies. Now too many Christian Zionists, extremists do falsely do now believe that in order to fulfill all of the Biblical prophecy, Israel must next conquer most of the Middle East. And anyone watched the mostly self centered, get richer TV evangelists such as a Pat Robertson or John Hagee and their distorted sermons scenarios involving the future “Rapture,” Jesus Christ and also Israel, should also quickly firstly now realize that these false prophets are not only fleecing, scaring their flock to give more money but falsely are into worshipping the false idol of Israel. .John Hagee pays himself over a million dollars a year in TAX FREE money while having several palaces to live in, like the $2.1 million 7,969-acre ranch outside Brackettville, Texas , with five lodges, including a “main lodge” and a gun locker.;Once considered a small marginal doctrine among evangelicals, the false dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism has greatly escalated, ironically falsely with the help of jess, Messianic Jews, Judaizers and many others too. The reality still is that the parable of the vineyard (Matt 21:33-43) clearly shows that the Christian Church totally now rather succumbs all of the past promises made to Israel. Be careful about accepting anyone’s word about Christian Zionism do first read the Bible, New Testament for yourself and know the truth rather. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-2-promised-returns/

” Those who question the legitimacy of Israel’s actions are immediately labelled anti-Semitic by some quarters, effectively undermining the turn of phrase by using it in this context. We are right to question the state of Israel’s actions and I am not anti-Semitic for doing so. I think the religious fundamentalism exhibited by certain Zionist and Orthodox Jewish groups needs to be dealt with in a similar manner to Islamic fundamentalism, I don’t see the distinction between the two, both are equally repulsive. ” http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/

Often we hear Zionists claim to the promised land if Israel today and supposedly justified from the Bible, based on isolated verses  or those in the Old Testament, not many frOm the New Testament for sure.. Any honest persons reading the Bible should admit that it was not the gentiles, But God himself had on two occasions in history now removed the Jews from the land of Israel,  and like most of the other nations of world  Israel now too Israel itself is not perfect and does not fully follow after God as it firstly has been commanded to do so too. They also should read their own Bible as to the reasons they were dispelled the first time.. 
 
Jer 34:8 [This is] the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord after King Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people who were at Jerusalem to proclaim liberty to them:
Jer 34:9
Every man should let his Hebrew slaves, male and female, go free, so that no one should make a slave of a Jew, his brother.
Jer 34:10
And all the princes and all the people obeyed, who had entered into the covenant that everyone would let his manservant and his maidservant go free, so that none should make bondmen of them any more; they obeyed, and let them go.
Jer 34:11
But afterward they turned around and caused the servants and the handmaids whom they had let go free to return [to their former masters] and brought them into subjection for servants and for handmaids.
Jer 34:12
Therefore the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,
Jer 34:13
Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: I made a covenant with your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, saying,
Jer 34:14
At the end of seven years you shall let every man his brother who is a Hebrew go free who has sold himself {or} has been sold to you and has served you six years; but your fathers did not listen to {and} obey Me or incline their ear [submitting and consenting to Me].
Jer 34:15
And you recently turned around {and} repented, doing what was right in My sight by proclaiming liberty each one to his neighbor [who was his bond servant]; and you made a covenant {or} pledge before Me in the house which is called by My Name.
Jer 34:16
But then you turned around and defiled My name; each of you caused to return to you your servants, male and female, whom you had set free as they might desire; and you brought them into subjection again to be your slaves.
Jer 34:17
Therefore thus says the Lord: You have not listened to Me {and} obeyed Me in proclaiming liberty each one to his brother and neighbor. Behold, I proclaim to you liberty–to the sword, to pestilence, and to famine, says the Lord; and I will make you to be tossed to and fro {and} to be a horror among all the kingdoms of the earth!
Jer 34:18
And the men who have transgressed My covenant, who have not kept the terms of the covenant {or} solemn pledge which they had made before Me, I will make them [like] the [sacrificial] calf which they cut in two and then passed between its separated parts [solemnizing their pledge to Me]–I will make those men the calf!
Jer 34:19
The princes of Judah, the princes of Jerusalem, the eunuchs, the priests, and all the people of the land who passed between the parts of the calf,
Jer 34:20
I will give them into the hands of their enemies and into the hands of those who seek their life. And their dead bodies will be food for the birds of the heavens and the beasts of the earth.
Jer 34:21
And Zedekiah king of Judah and his princes will I give into the hands of their enemies and into the hands of those who seek their life, and into the hand of the king of Babylon’s army which has withdrawn from you.
Jer 34:22 Behold, I will command, says the Lord, and cause them [the Chaldeans] to return to this city; and they shall fight against it and take it and burn it with fire. I will make the cities of Judah a desolation without inhabitant. 
  
Jer 35:13 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Go and say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will you not receive instruction and listen to My words {and} obey them? says the Lord.
Jer 35:14
The command which Jonadab son of Rechab gave to his sons not to drink wine, has been carried out {and} established [as a custom for more than two hundred years]. To this day they drink no wine, but they have obeyed their father’s command. But I, even I, have persistently spoken to you, but you have not listened to {and} obeyed Me.

Jer 35:15
I have sent also to you all My servants the prophets earnestly {and} persistently, saying, Return now every man from his evil way and amend your doings and go not after other gods to serve them; and then you shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers. But you did not submit {and} consent to Me or listen to {and} obey Me.

Jer 35:16 Since the sons of Jonadab son of Rechab have fulfilled {and} established the command of their father which he commanded them, but these people have not listened to and obeyed Me,
Jer 35:17
Therefore thus says the Lord God of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I am bringing upon Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them, because I have spoken to them, but they have not listened, and I have called to them, but they have not answered.
 
In reality the first God promised restoration of the remnant of Israel had been met.. The aspiration of returning to their homeland was first held by Jews exiled to Babylon some 2,500 years ago – a hope which subsequently became the  reality. (”By the water of Babylon, there we sat down and wept when we remembered Zion.” Psalms 137:1).  And the full promised by God  restoration of the remnant of Israel and of the Gentile has been already priory fulfilled, the latter one fulfilled by God in Jesus Christ on Pentecost , in Jerusalem, as witnessed, as stated in the books of Acts before the 70 AD dispersion.. which most of the Jews wrongfully reject even till today  and next wanted to have their own Jewish only state.. The fact the full promsied return it had all had happened on Pentecost, a feast holiday to commemorate also the freeing of the slaves is very significant too. Pentecost is derived  one of the three Pilgrimage Festivals required in the Law of Moses. A Jewish holy day celebrated on the sixth of Sivan to celebrate Moses receiving the Ten Commandments and it also now commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and other followers of Jesus as described in the Book of Acts,   ”According to the Pentateuchal legislation contained in Leviticus, a Jubilee year is the year that follows immediately seven successive Sabbatic years (the Sabbatic year being the seventh year of a seven-year cycle). Accordingly, the Jubilee year takes place at the end of seven times seven years, i.e. at the end of every forty-nine years, or the fiftieth.  Hence, the institution of the Jubilee-year system is but an extension or the working out of the Sabbatic-year legislation, viz. that as at the end of every six years there succeeds a Sabbatic year, so at the end of each seven Sabbatic years there succeeds a Jubilee year. Arguing from the analogous Pentecostal system, it is evident that the actual year in which the Jubilee occurs is not the last of the seventh Sabbatic cycle (i.e. the forty-ninth year), but the year following, namely, the fiftieth. Hence, at the end of each forty-eight years there occur two consecutive fallow years, viz. the forty-ninth, or the Sabbatic year of the seventh Sabbatic cycle and the fiftieth, or the Jubilee year.” http://www.piney.com/Jubilee.html  

In Acts 15:14-18, James confirms, interprets the prophecy of Amos 9 that describes the rebuilding of David’s tabernacle as finding its fulfillment in the calling out of Gentiles and the progressive formation of the Christian Church 

 Even in Revelation 2:17, John (quoting Jesus) promises to overcomers (i.e., the Church) a “new name” that “no one knows except the one who receives it.” This is a clear reference to the prophecy in Isa. 62:2 (“And the nations will see your righteousness, and all kings your glory; and you will be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord will designate”) and 65:15 (“but My servants will be called by another name”) about Israel’s future kingly status and restoration to Yahweh, both of which are now applied to individuals within the church.

..the New Testament fiurthermore provides us all with an expanded definition of what constitutes an “Israelite” or a “Jew”. Or perhaps we might say that the NT provides us with a “Christified” perspective on the people of God. Ethnicity is no longer the primary concern. Having Abraham’s blood in one’s veins is not the primary consideration, but rather having Abraham’s faith in one’s heart. Jesus is the true “seed” of Abraham to whom the promise was given. But if anyone is “in Christ” by faith, he or she is the “seed” of Abraham and thus an heir according to the promise.

Revelation 3:9 is especially instructive. Here Jesus promises the Church in Philadelphia that he “will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie – behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.” There are two important points to make.First, he refers to people who “say they are Jews and are not, but lie” (for an almost identical statement, see Rev. 2:9). Clearly, in one sense, these people are Jews, the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who met regularly in the synagogue to worship. Yet, in another sense, i.e., inwardly and spiritually, they are not Jews, having rejected Jesus and now persecuted and slandered his people. Indeed, their gatherings at synagogue are energized by Satan himself. 

But if they are false Jews, who, then, are the true Jews? If they are a synagogue of Satan, who, then, constitutes a synagogue of God? John does not provide an explicit answer, but the implication seems clear. Ladd explains: “true Jews are the people of the Messiah.

Apostle Paul says the same thing very clearly: ‘For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal’ (Rom. 2:28-29). That this ‘Judaism of the heart’ is not to be limited to believing Jews but includes believing gentiles is clear from Paul’s words to the Philippians: ‘For we are the true circumcision, who worship God in spirit, and glory in Christ Jesus’ (Phil. 3:3). We must conclude, then, that John makes a real distinction between literal Israel – the Jews – and spiritual Israel – the church” (43-44).  

Revelation 7:15 speaks of the saints in God’s heavenly “temple” and of God “spreading his tabernacle over them.” This is a clear allusion to Ezek. 37:26-28, a passage that in its OT context is a prophecy of Israel’s restoration. There God says, “I will establish my sanctuary in the midst of them forever. And my tabernacle will be over them . . . when my sanctuary is in the midst of them forever.“  God will wipe away every tear from their eyes” (Isa. 25:8; Rev. 7:17).

Once again some Jewish  persons are waiting for  a promised return here but they are greatly mistaken, for this return is the promised return to Jesus Christ the messiah, and it includes the Church, composed of Jews and gentiles now. This promised restoration of the remnant of Israel, and of the gentile has been fulfilled by God in Jesus Christ ..   

(Rev 3:12 KJV)  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

(Rev 21:2 KJV)  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

(Rev 21:10 KJV)  And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

As per the next full supposed re-gathering  of the twelve tribes of Israel note this had occurred in Pentecost, in the book of Acts where all of the tribes of Israel were represented, present thus.  (Acts 2:2 KJV)  And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

(Acts 2:36 KJV)  Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

(Acts 16:31 KJV)  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

(Acts 16:32 KJV)  And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

(Acts 20:20 KJV)  And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have showed you, and have taught you publicly, and from house to house,

But most Jews who tend to reject Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and evangelicals too, tend not to agree with this and they are waiting for rather a supposedly soley Jewish messiah, not a Jewish -gentile messiah of Jesus Christ, so next they will be deceived and disappointed by the false counterfeit messiah, the anti Christ,  (Rev 13:18 KJV)  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

and the same anti Christ who falsely will restore the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, restore the sacrifices in the temple,

(Rev 14:9 KJV)  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

(Rev 14:10 KJV)  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

(Rev 14:11 KJV)  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

There are numerous passages in the NT where OT prophecies concerning Israel’s regathering and restoration are applied to the Church, indicating that the latter is the “true Israel” comprised of both believing Jews and believing Gentiles in whom the promises will be fulfilled. Or, to put it in other terms, the Church does not replace Israel but takes up and perpetuates in itself the believing remnant within the nation as a whole.
 

The “true Israel” of God, which in the OT was comprised of all ethnic Jews who were circumcised in heart, finds its NT expression in the Church, now comprised of all believing ethnic Jews and all believing ethnic Gentiles. Or, to use Paul’s imagery from Romans 11, the one Olive Tree = True Israel = the Church in which are both natural (Jewish) branches and unnatural (Gentile) branches, but in all cases “believing branches 

Jesus taught that his resurrection was the raising of the True Temple of Israel. He has replaced the priesthood, sacrifices, and sanctuary of Israel by fulfilling them in his own glorious priestly ministry and by offering, once and for all, his sacrifice for the world, that is, for both Jew and Gentile. Believers from all nations are now being built up through him into this Third Temple, the church that Jesus promised to build.

Simon Peter spoke of the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus in conjunction with the final judgment and the punishment of sinners. Instructively, this same Simon Peter, the Apostle to the Circumcision, says nothing about the restoration of the kingdom to Israel in the land of Palestine. Instead, as his readers contemplate the promise of Jesus’ Second Coming, he fixes their hope upon the new heavens and the new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

The entitlement of any one ethnic or religious group to territory in the Middle East called the “Holy Land” cannot be supported by the new testament or Old tesatment Scriptures. In fact, the land promises specific to Israel in the Old Testament were fulfilled under Joshua. The New Testament speaks clearly and prophetically about the destruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. No New Testament writer foresees a regathering of ethnic Israel in the land, as did the prophets of the Old Testament after the destruction of the first temple in 586 B.C. Moreover, the land promises of the Old Covenant are consistently and deliberately expanded in the New Testament to show the universal dominion of Jesus, who reigns from heaven upon the throne of David, inviting all the nations through the Gospel of Grace to partake of his universal and everlasting dominion. 

and why were the Jews dispelled from Israel the second Time? Because also due  their false hope of having a Jewish state separate of Jesus Christ.
 
 God has promised to restore His Jewish people to Israel – Jer 29:14 and this promised has been fulfilled after the Babylonian exile and return now too.
Yet some evangelicals, Zionists falsely believe there are here, were simultaneous prophecies of a latter day restoration of Israel solely, alone… fullfilled in 1948
a. To be fulfilled in the last days, supposedly our modern  times, just before the Lord Jesus Christ finally returns
b. That includes the return of Jews to Palestine and the establishment of  Israel as an independent state in May, 1948, was a fulfillment of  such prophecies.
Yes next the Jewish people again as warned by God, and prophesied by Jesus, predicted too were dispersed worldwide by the Romans and God himself.

At the heart of many of the political commitments in question are two fatally flawed propositions. First, some are teaching that God’s alleged favor toward Israel today is based upon ethnic descent rather than upon the grace of Christ alone, as proclaimed in the Gospel. Second, others are teaching that the Bible’s promises concerning the land are fulfilled in a special political region or “Holy Land,” perpetually set apart by God for one ethnic group alone. As a result of these false claims, large segments of the evangelical community, our fellow citizens, and our government are being misled with regard to the Bible’s teachings regarding the people of God, the land of Israel, and the impartiality of the Gospel.

God, the Creator of all mankind, is merciful and takes no pleasure in punishing sinners. Yet God is also holy and just and must punish sin. Therefore, to satisfy both his justice and his mercy, God has appointed one way of salvation for all, whether Jew or Gentile, in Jesus Christ alone.  Jesus Christ, who is fully God and fully man, came into the world to save sinners. In his death upon the cross, Jesus was the Lamb of God taking away the sin of the world, of Jew and of Gentile alike. The death of Jesus forever fulfilled and eternally ended the sacrifices of the Jewish temple. All who would worship God, whether Jew or Gentile, must now come to him in spirit and truth through Jesus Christ alone. The worship of God is no longer identified with any specific earthly sanctuary. He receives worship only through Jesus Christ, the eternal and heavenly Temple.

To as many as receive and rest upon Christ alone through faith alone, to Jews and Gentiles alike, God gives eternal life in his heavenly inheritance. 

Bad Christian theology regarding the “Holy Land” contributed to the tragic cruelty of the Crusades in the Middle Ages. Lamentably, bad Christian theology is today attributing to secular Israel a divine mandate to conquer and hold Palestine, with the consequence that the Palestinian people are marginalized and regarded as virtual “Canaanites.” This doctrine is both contrary to the teaching of the New Testament and a violation of the Gospel mandate. In addition, this theology puts those Christians who are urging the violent seizure and occupation of Palestinian land in moral jeopardy of their own bloodguiltiness. Are we as Christians not called to pray for and work for peace, warning both parties to this conflict that those who live by the sword will die by the sword? Only the Gospel of Jesus Christ can bring both temporal reconciliation and the hope of an eternal and heavenly inheritance to the Israeli and the Palestinian. Only through Jesus Christ can anyone know peace on earth.

The present secular state of Israel, however, is not an authentic or prophetic realization of the Messianic kingdom of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, a day should not be anticipated in which Christ’s kingdom will manifest Jewish distinctives, whether by its location in “the land,” by its constituency, or by its ceremonial institutions and practices. Instead, this present age will come to a climactic conclusion with the arrival of the final, eternal phase of the kingdom of the Messiah. At that time, all eyes, even of those who pierced him, will see the King in his glory. Every knee will bow, and every tongue will declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. The kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign forever and ever. http://www.bible-researcher.com/openletter.html 

I must point our that the same false dispensationalists, Zionists who reject these truths in the Bible are the same persons who today tend to deny the Holy Spirit, they reject that God’s gifted men and Holy spirit gifts exist today because they are not spirit filled, led by the Holy Spirit in reality.  

http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/end/end_07.htm

“You are not to go to the left or to the right unless you hear a voice ( of the Holy Sprit) saying this is the way walk there in”.. Many of us have not learned as to how to hear this voice .

 

Background

“Zionism is a Modern  international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra’el, “the Land of Israel”), and continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.[1] Although its origins are earlier, the movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in the late 19th century.   Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved somewhere between 1200 BCE and the late Second Temple era (i.e. up to 70 CE),[4][5]  Zionism can be distinguished from Territorialism, a Jewish nationalist movement calling for a Jewish homeland not necessarily in Palestine. During the early history of Zionism, a number of proposals were made for settling Jews outside of Europe, but ultimately all of these were rejected or failed. The debate over these proposals helped to define the nature and focus of the Zionist movement. Since the first century CE most Jews have lived in exile, although there has been a constant presence of Jews in the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel). According to Judaism, Eretz Israel, or Zion, is a land promised to the Jews by God according to the Bible. Following the 2nd century Bar Kokhba revolt, Jews were expelled from Palestine to form the Jewish diaspora. In the nineteenth century a current in Judaism supporting a return grew in popularity. Even before 1897, which is generally seen as the year in which practical Zionism started, Jews immigrated to Palestine, the pre-Zionist Aliyah.[10] Jewish immigration to Palestine started in earnest in 1882. The so-called First Aliyah saw the arrival of about 30,000 Jews over twenty years. Most immigrants came from Russia, where anti-semitism was rampant. They founded a number of agricultural settlements with financial support from Jewish philanthropists in Western Europe. The Second Aliyah started in 1904. Further Aliyahs followed between the two World Wars, fueled in the 1930s by Nazi persecution.  In the 1890s Theodor Herzl infused Zionism with a new and practical urgency. He brought the World Zionist Organization into being and, together with Nathan Birnbaum, planned its First Congress at Basel in 1897.[13] This current in Zionism is known as political Zionism because it aimed at reaching a political agreement with the Power ruling Palestine. Up to 1917 this was the Ottoman Empire, and then until 1948 it was Britain on behalf of the League of Nations. The WZO also supported small scale settlement in Palestine.  Lobbying by Chaim Weizmann (cultural Zionists) and others culminated in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 by the British government. This declaration endorsed the creation of a Jewish Homeland in Palestine. In 1922, the League of nations endorsed the declaration in the Mandate it gave to Britain:  Palestinian Arabs resisted Zionist migration. There were riots in 1920, 1921 and 1929, sometimes accompanied by massacres of Jews. Britain supported Jewish immigration in principle, but in reaction to Arab violence imposed restrictions on Jewish immigration. The subsequent growth in Jewish migration led to the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine which in turn led the British to establish the Peel Commission to investigate the situation. The commission (which did not examine the situation of Jews in Europe) called for a two-state solution and compulsory transfer of populations. This solution was rejected by the British and instead the White Paper of 1939 proposed an end to Jewish immigration by 1944, with a further 75,000 to be admitted by then. In principle, the British stuck to this policy until the end of the Mandate. After WWII and the Holocaust, support for Zionism increased, especially among Jewish Holocaust survivors. The British were attacked in Palestine by Zionist groups because of their restrictions on Jewish immigration, the best known attack being the 1946 King David Hotel bombing. Unable to resolve the conflict, the British referred the issue to the newly created United Nations.  In 1947, the UNSCOP recommended the partition of western Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state and a UN-controlled territory (Corpus separatum) around Jerusalem.[15] This partition plan was adopted on November 29th, 1947 with UN GA Resolution 181, 33 votes in favor, 13 against, and 10 abstentions. The vote itself, which required a two-third majority, was a very dramatic affair and led to celebrations in the streets of Jewish cities.[16]  The Arab states rejected the UN decision, demanding a single state with an Arab majority. violence immediately exploded in Palestine between Jews and Arabs. On 14 May 1948, at the end of the British mandate, the Jewish Agency, led by Ben-Gurion declared the creation of the State of Israel and the same day, the armies of four[17] Arab countries invaded Israel. During the following eight months, Israel forces defended the Jewish partition and conquered portions of the Arab partition, enlarging its portion to 78 percent of mandatory Palestine. The conflict led to an exodus of about 711,000 Arab Palestinians [18], of whom about 46.000 were internally displaced persons in Israel. The war ended with the 1949 Armistice Agreements, which included new cease-fire lines, the so-called Green line.  After the war the Arabs continued to reject Israel’s right to exist and demanded that it retreat to the 1947 partition lines. They sustained this demand until 1967 when the rest of western Palestine was conquered by Israel during the Six-Day War, after which Arab states demanded that Israel retreat to the 1949 cease fire line, the only “borders” currently recognized by the international community. These borders are commonly referred as the “pre-1967 borders” or the “green line”. The border with Egypt was legalized in the 1979 Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty, and the border with Jordan in the 1994 Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace. After the creation of the State of Israel the WZO continued to exist as an organisation dedicated to assisting and encouraging Jews to migrate to Israel, as well as providing political support for Israel.  In addition to Jewish Zionism, there was always a small number of Christian Zionists that existed from the early days of the Zionist movement.”   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism 
“Over 400 years of independence under the Davidic dynasty ended in 586 BCE when the country was conquered by the Babylonians, who destroyed the Temple and exiled most of the people. However, before the century was over the Jews returned, rebuilt the Temple and restored Jewish life in the Land. For the next centuries, they knew varying degrees of self-rule under Persian (538-333 BCE) and Hellenistic (322-142 BCE) overlordship, independence under the Hasmonean dynasty (142-63 BCE) and then increasingly oppressive domination by the Romans beginning in 63 BCE. When the Jews were prevented from carrying out their traditional religious way of life, they launched a series of uprisings, which climaxed in the revolt of 66 CE.   After four years of fighting, Rome put down the Jewish Revolt and burned the Temple to the ground. Many thousands of Jews were killed, sold into slavery and dispersed to countries near and far. The only remnant of the entire Temple compound was the Western Wall, which became a place of pilgrimage and worship for Jews, and remains so to the present time.  In 132 CE, another Jewish revolt, which restored Jewish sovereignty for three years, was cruelly suppressed, claiming thousands of lives. To stamp out the Jewish connection to the Land of Israel, the Romans renamed the country Palaestina.  The small Jewish community which remained in the Land gradually recovered. Institutional and communal life was reconstructed to meet the new situation without the unifying framework of the state and the Temple. Priests were replaced by rabbis, and in the absence of a central place of worship, the synagogue became the nucleus of each of the scattered communities. Between 636 and 1096, the Jewish community in the Land diminished considerable and lost some of its organizational and religious cohesiveness, ” http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/State/ZIONISM-+Background.htm
 
God leads us in many ways, through his word, through people, but God will confirm his will for us still too. I have had often had to learn spiritual truths the hard way, by trying to do my own thing and failing at it, and Jesus reminding me that I could do nothing without him. Now I pray before I do anything and I await his instructions, if God does not lead me, or tells me not to do something, I tend not to do it. I had bought a pair summer shorts recently and I wanted to get matching T-shirt to it too.. I had tried a few stores but was unable to get the matching color that I had wanted. So I prayed about it and God told me not to look for it. I have learned he will deal with it his way and in his time. So I went along with my normal agendas. I had to go the drug store to get my medicine renewed so I did so. I was surprised to find the matching T-shirt, in the color I had wanted on sale at half price too in the drug store. After I pray I have come to learn to expect God will answer the prayer, I do not have to do it in my own strength.
 
It also now seems that unresolved problems tend to make us seek God. How to draw closer to God. You have wanted God to speak to you for a long time. You have wanted to talk to God and get answers back. This  is an opportunity for you to have a dialogue with God. God too wants to communicate with you. You might have been in church, a crusade, in your room, or outside under the stars. You felt God’s call, but you didn’t know exactly what God wanted you to do. You knew you were going to do something special, but you didn’t know what it was. Now you can also find out God’s plan for you, and others too and the literature is all free too.   It teaches you how to hear God’s voice.  God will teach you many things you need to know.  Valid spiritual tools to help you make conscious contact with God: Praise, Prayer, Humbleness, Obedience, the Bible. Get yourself ready where God speaks to you 

God is these days speaking to us not just through the words in the Bible. Many of us have at times sensed that something is wrong in the church  and  because of the continual deficiencies in our knowledge of scripture, deficiencies in our walk with God, deficiencies in our being able to hear the voice of God, and the fear of man we have suppressed or put aside these things, yet in our hearts these nudges of the Holy Spirit keep coming back time and again. So we have at times felt things, we have at times sensed things, but we have not necessarily known that now God has been speaking and guiding us. When we   have sought help from a preacher or teacher we too often next have in time realized in some measure that what they tend speak not from a personal knowledge of God, from the leading of God  but instead speak from the stale corn of other people books, tapes, and notes or their own views. And yet with these sweeping -general explanations these things we have known never really go away — for the Holy Spirit still speaks to men and what we  have already seen and heard of Him we do still believe  God still speaks to men, and confers upon those that love Him and are obedient His tokens of His affection — true gifts and true ministry. Next that  Word becoming flesh (in us), a personal reality in many of our life experience, that can be “seen” and “handled” by those some of those called out persons that are around us.

Do see  http://pbulow.tripod.com/wait.html     and http://pbulow.tripod.com/voice.html
http://www.alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/Meditating%20on%20the%20Lord.htm
http://www.alaskandreams.net/ekklesia/articles.htm

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