Missing the point?

April 29, 2008


Filed under: NEWS & POLITICS — Tags: , , , , , , , , , , , — thenonconformer @ 6:29 pm

 One is not a Christian for too long when one discovers there are BIG even Christian  church splits, divisions, serious difference, clear lack of understanding, agreements even within the same denominations on many  topic even  such as  

1: is Jesus the sole son of God, and is the Bible the sole word of God, was it all written by God alone.

2: Do also the gifts of the holy sprit, miracles, healing, tongues, apostles, prophets exist now today as well?

3:  Is tithing, paying ten percent of one’s income  today applicable now too? and other old testament laws, besides the ten commandments?

4: Can Christians consume Alcohol, Smoke or get divorced?

5: Does Israel have a right to the promise land today as well?

Why all the existing Christian different views, divisions? Well most people still do not firstly truly know what the Bible itself says on this, most people still wrongfully trust others to tell them what the Bible does  says about any of this.

Israel – Can Israel even  survive   as a state another 60 years without the backing of the West, US? Does Israel now according  solely the New Testament Bible even have a right to the promised Land these days even? CAN WE KNOW THE TRUTH When clearly even most evangelical Christians  cannot agree on this point now too?  Most of the popular, in the 1960s, revelation predictions by the fundamental dogmatic preachers with their gloom and doom prophecies about the end times, war with Russia and China now have not even come to pass? Who can you believe?  Most people , even professing Christians still basically  have never read the Bible , never mind studied the subject in detail! Not even many evangelical preachers now too. Did you now?

The Land of Canaan, renamed Israel by the Lord, was given by God to Abraham and his descendants as an everlasting possession conditional on them obeying, following after God, his commandment now continuing to follow after God, his Messiah Jesus  and the Jews as a nation next chose not to do this on their own.. so they undeniably lost their right to live on this promised  land and God himself evicted them from it. Now many Jews and  many Evangelicals disagree and they tend to try to take isolated verses out of context in the Old Testament Bible to say otherwise. But yet they still next  do not have one supporting verse on any of this in New Testament and why? Many rather almost all of  the quoted verses taken from the Old Testament about a promised Jewish return to the promised land had been fulfilled prior to the arrival of Jesus now too and they are no longer applicable too.

Exactly what does the Bible say about this God’s parcel of land, and who has a right to it today? More Honestly what does the New Testament now rather specifically say about this? That this land belongs now, next neither to the Jews or Muslims but to Jesus Christ, and his bride.. Jesus is the heir of all things… and nothing else?

Does not God want the two sons of Abraham, the Jews and Muslim living together in Harmony in the same land as well anyway? “How good it is for the brethern to dwell in unity” Psalms

Does God have a separate plan to save the Jews or does he God have the same plan now for everyone rather per the Bible too? No, never. God has one plan of salvation alone and it is accepting Jesus definitely, personally   as one’s personal Lord, and savior. Jews. gentiles, unbelievers, Christian are all saved only by Jesus Christ and now all are one body, have the same future heavenly and earthly promises too.

Jesus said that Israel was now cursed, the fig tree was cursed, and their house, the promised  land was to be desolate, and the Jews would find no peace at all  until they accept him Jesus  as their Messiah. So why all of the problems there still too? The Flesh wants to have it’s own way again?


Yes it has bothered me for decades that evangelicals cannot significantly  at all agree on this topic about Israel future, present firstly but it has also bothered me why all the pro Israel writers do not refer the New Testament to try to justify their arguments? or what Jesus had said about it? It will not agree with their distorted point of views?

(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)  Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
(Rom 10:4 KJV)  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(1 Cor 3:23 KJV)  And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
(2 Cor 13:5 KJV)  Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
(Gal 2:21 KJV)  I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(Gal 5:4 KJV)  Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5  For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
(Phil 2:11 KJV)  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(Col 3:11 KJV)  Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
(1 John 4:2 KJV)  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(1 John 4:3 KJV)  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
(1 John 5:1 KJV)  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
(2 John 1:7 KJV)  For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
(1 Cor 12:13 KJV)  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14  For the body is not one member, but many.
(Rom 2:17 KJV)  Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
(Rom 2:18 KJV)  And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
(Rom 2:19 KJV)  And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
(Rom 2:20 KJV)  An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
(Rom 2:21 KJV)  Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
(Rom 2:22 KJV)  Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
(Rom 2:23 KJV)  Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
(Rom 2:24 KJV)  For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
(Rom 2:25 KJV)  For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
(Rom 2:26 KJV)  Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
(Rom 2:27 KJV)  And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
(Rom 2:28 KJV)  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(Rom 2:29 KJV)  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(Rom 3:20 KJV)  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
(Rom 3:21 KJV)  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
(Rom 3:22 KJV)  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
(Rom 3:23 KJV)  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(Rom 3:24 KJV)  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(Rom 3:25 KJV)  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
(Rom 3:26 KJV)  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
(Rom 3:27 KJV)  Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(Rom 3:28 KJV)  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(Rom 3:29 KJV)  Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
(Gal 2:21 KJV)  I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(Gal 3:1 KJV)  O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
(Gal 3:2 KJV)  This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Gal 3:3 KJV)  Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 (1 Cor 12:27 KJV)  Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
(1 Cor 12:28 KJV)  And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

see also http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/messianic-judaism-today/



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