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May 25, 2008

We Stand as One with Israel

Filed under: Uncategorized — Tags: , , , , , , — thenonconformer @ 8:46 am

We Stand as One with Israel’s need  to be saved even today by Jesus Christ alone.

Sixty years ago  a nation of Israel was re born in a day . Was this an act of the flesh? or an approved act of God?  but there is  no new Tesament justifcation for it though.. why?

 Emaciated Jews from 1945 to 1948, stumbled out of Europe’s death camps liberated by the Allies, but they had no place to go. Their homes and possessions were destroyed or confiscated and their family members murdered. Many of the survivors believed that the only place in the world they might find safety again would be back in their ancient homeland – the land of Israel.  But they never did find that safety and never will not while they continue to reject Jesus Christ as their personal savior, as their rightful messiah. ‘
(Acts 2:21 KJV)  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.  22  Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Distorted, Isolated verse from the old testament are often taken to justify Israel’s return to the promise land, while there still is not one new testament verse supporting this return at all and why? The land solely belongs to Jesus Christ firstly now.. he alone had redeemed it.
(Mat 23:36 KJV)  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. 24:1  And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple. 2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8  All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. 10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25  Behold, I have told you before. 26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  40  Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45  Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49  And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

Is 22:20 And in that day I will call My servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah.  21 And I will clothe him with your robe and will bind your girdle on him and will commit your authority to his hand; he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.  22 And the key of the house of David I will lay upon his shoulder; he shall open and no one shall shut, he shall shut and no one shall open.  23 And I will fasten him like a peg {or} nail in a firm place; and he will become a throne of honor {and} glory to his father’s house.  24 And they will hang on him the honor {and} the whole weight of [responsibility for] his father’s house: the offspring and issue [of the family, high and low], every small vessel, from the cups even to all the flasks {and} big bulging bottles.  25 In that day, says the Lord of hosts, the nail {or} peg that was fastened into the sure place shall give way {and} be moved and be hewn down and fall, and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off; for the Lord has spoken it.
Here it is very clear in the Old Testament too – God has transferred all of the ownership, rulership  kingship of Israel to Jesus Christ himself


  1. One is not a Christian too long when one notice false theology has often been creeping into the Christian Churches even in regard to the New Testament and the Jews, Israel now too. But you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Prophecy is certainly not defined in the Bible, in the new Testament as solely preaching God’s word from the Bible but it does not contradict the Bible .. and prophecy is not solely telling the future.. or is just telling about the second coming of Jesus Christ back to earth, the great tribulation coming next too on earth.. Prophecy it is a present divinely led personal utterance from God, a specific word for his people, it is also the interpretation in an understandable language of a prayer in tongues.. PROPHECY IS PERSONALLY PROCLAIMING DIRECTLY GOD’S WORD SPECIFICALLY FOR A SPECIFIC GROUP.. Not necessarily now even Israel, but the Church, individual Believers. (Rev 19:10 KJV) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/prophecy/

    The Bad Unacceptable theology – Dispensationalism – Dispensationalism is basically false and it is the method of interpreting the scriptures that sees two distinct peoples of God, with two distinct destinies – Israel and the Church. It is not a coincident that too many Dispensationalists do also oppose the work of the THE HOLY SPIRIT today as well, HIS Charismatic GIFTS NOW TOO. Toni, at FilesfromToni blog has posted a very good link to vital information for those wondering where the money which is given to different Christian Zionist organizations is really going and how its NOT being used. http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/ https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/good-and-bad-unacceptable-theology/

    Incidentally because of Rev. Hagee’s false views on Israel I have from the start rightfully not supported Rev. Hagee’s endorsement of US senator McCain “I did not know of them before Rev. Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.” 22 May 2008 This is the same John Hagee whose support John McCain was originally “glad” to have despite “condemning” some of his views. And it’s the same John Hagee who has so far had to apologize for calling the Catholic Church a “great whore” and who said Hurricane Katrina was the judgment of God against New Orleans for planning a gay pride parade. Hagee’s views on Israel have nothing to do with Israel’s best interests and everything to do with Hagee’s own interest in promoting his own radical viewpoints. Hagee is opposed to territorial concessions for peace and a two-state solution. He is outspoken in his support for military action against Iran. [ He raises money to build illegal Jewish settlements in the Palestinian territories and opposes a shared Jerusalem. Senator McCain’s past embrace of John Hagee spoke poorly of his judgment of personal character, it calls into question whether he has any understanding of what it really will take to bring about peace and security in the Middle East. Calling his statements “crazy and unacceptable,” John McCain strongly repudiated Texas pastor John Hagee now. Do also see Christian Zionism Deception John Hagee Heresy in Defense of Israel John Hagee Refuted By Evangelical Leaders-Jews Need Jesus Christ John Hagee Refuted by Dr. Michael Brown John Hagee’s Zionism Not Christian Hagee Ignores Believers Family in Israel The Bad Fruits of Christian Zionism A critique of Dispensationalism directly from the Scripture (1) This is an interesting study.

    The “law of first-mention” is the principle in the interpretation of Scripture which states that the first mention or occurrence of a subject in Scripture establishes an unchangeable pattern, with that subject remaining unchanged in the mind of God throughout Scripture. This law or the rule of the first mention of something in the Scriptures, the Bible is now especially significant and sets the stage for how it is to be understood in the rest of the Word. There naturally is special significance, defining moment with how something is introduced in the Word! will serve as an unfailing guide as to the actual mind of God as contained therein. The first mention of a thing, the very first words of any subject of which the Holy Spirit is going to treat, is the keystone of the whole matter. To carry the maximum significance, the first mention should be where possible now even traced to the Book of Origins itself – Genesis. However it is still should be used a with a more detailed word study in the Bible, can be wrong try to use this principle to deviate or also now to applied solely this fact of initial isolation without the confirming additional references in the the rest of Scripture, thus next to even try to to give clearly any false, distorted emphasis to the verse of first mention, and to make it mean something that is not substantiated borne out also by all of the progressive revelation of Scripture in details on this subject.

    Now too many lying Jews, Judiazers would have us all become Jewish, saying that God was a Jew, we all should understand, appreciate the Jewish culture now too to understand the new Testament better which is another unacceptable falsehood shared too.. as I have too often heard now too myself. God firstly is, was not a a Jew, Adam and Eve were not Jewish, for Abraham was called to be a Jew now even centuries later too.

    And what really gets my toilet paper running is those people who lie to me, the Christians Judiazers, and others who falsely say that to really understand the Bible you have to understand the Jewish culture at the time which the Bible was written in. Firstly the Old Testament Jewish culture, next the one even at the time of Christ.. and to do that it is still next to impossible even to start of with cause there are few books, likely only 2 authors, who had historically try to deal with the subject of the historical Jewish culture at the time at Christ, even serious archeologists cannot get any grasp, any good Historical picture at all on this too. We have rather the Holys Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth. https://anyonecare.wordpress.com/tag/holy-spirit/

    Is it also true that the Jews been burning Christian Bibles in Israel recently too and Islam was an “anti-Christ religion that intends even through violence to conquer the world and make it a one Muslim state as per the related evidences we have seen now for centuries too?

    Comment by thenonconformer — May 25, 2008 @ 4:49 pm

  2. BECOMING the Chief Corner Stone –

    Jesus (a Hebrew above all Hebrews) was to BECOME “the head stone of the corner” (Ps.118:22), “the chief corner stone” (Eph.2:20, Deut.32:4), of His living body, the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, Col.1:24).

    At Jesus’ baptism Jesus BECAME “the head stone of the corner”, “the chief corner stone” of the church of God. From that point Jesus began His ministry (Acts 10:37).

    All who are in Jesus Christ have BECOME a “new” creature (2 Cor.5:17, Gal.6:15), individually, as well as collectively, His living body, the church of God.

    There is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus, we are all one (Gal.3:28), the church of God.

    Patricia – Bible Prophecy on the Web
    Author of the self-study aid, The Book of Revelation Explained © 1982

    Comment by Patricia Burns — May 27, 2008 @ 1:54 pm

  3. Amen Amen Amen

    But Jesus never sold one Sermon of his, nor the Apostles… so I rightfully cannot stand those greedy, money lusting charlatans who clearly try to make money by selling Christian literature, tapes, music, or what ever on the subject of Prophecy, healing, etc., .. and no matter what their excuses are now too.. Jesus said as you have freely received so freely give. And that is what I have done the last 4 decades too… and so should we all, trusting in the Faith for God to supply our needs, not begging for money, or wrongfully stealing by pretending to be a non profitable tax exempt corporation, organization basically so not to pay taxes as well.. How greedy can you get and pretend it to be Christian now too is the game many wrongfully play too even pastors….

    Comment by thenonconformer — May 27, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

  4. Isn’t it ironically and hypocritical while there is only one Bible many Christians cannot agree on the role of Israel today and in the future, and many cannot agree on the role of the Holy Sprit now as well.

    A house divided against itself cannot stand (Mark 3:25) applies to Churches, and our homes, and our marriages too.

    (Prov 16:19 KJV) Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

    All these Dispensationalist have to quote solely it seems the Old testament to support their views? what their views are not confirmed by Jesus and the apostles?

    I had talked face to face with now an ex president of the Canadian Christian Missionary alliance on this too.. the only thing he could confirm for sure in prophecy from the Bible was the return of Jesus Christ… the rest was filled with contradictions, controversies still

    The subject of Israel’s prophecy made Daniel sick too..(Dan 8:27 KJV) And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days;

    (Dan 12:4 KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


    People would be better of living the life of Christ today (Mat 6:34 KJV) Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.


    Comment by thenonconformer — May 29, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

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